List; I intend to request information from a church in County Clare. I wish to send a contribution for their time. In what form should I send it? Thank you. Mike Higgiston

Any Gargan's/Gargon's out there please keep in touch. Unsubscribing temporarily. Thank you all for your help! Sharon

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The closest I came to DORHAN was Walter DORAN m Mary Lacy, 15 Mar 1824 in Ballinkill. Wits Patt Lucy and Mary King. Source: Marriages in the RC Diocese of Tuam, 1820-1829 Ellen Tony Riordan wrote: > > Dear Shamrockers, > > I just found, quite by accident, the maiden name of my maternal gr gr > grandmother. I think that HOW I found it is interesting enough to merit > a detailed description. > > The accidental discovery came in the mail. I had ordered from the > Massachusetts State Archives the birth cert. of the brother of my > grandmother. The archives found two births for Charles CROWLEY in > Holliston MA in 1873, so they sent me a certificate for the most likely > one, (which turned out to be the correct one) but they also included a > photo copy of the Town Birth Register for the year, with both Charles > CROWLEY entries highlighted. > > The correct Charles CROWLEY was born to Mary J. DONNELLY CROWLEY, > daughter of Peter and Mary J. DONNELLY. In scanning the page of entries > I was just amazed at what I found there. > > Three entries and five days later appeared the name "Eddie Francis > DONNELLY, Female, born in Holliston to Peter and Mary (DORHAN)." I > already knew that a son, Edward F. DONNELLY was born to them in 1873, > from census information. So the gender is a mistake. I suppose that > the real name is legally what appears on the birth register, however, it > appears that the parents named him Edward, because of references in > later sources. > > This incidental inclusion of a copy of the register for a different > person showed that Mary DORHAN DONNELLY became a mother, five days after > becoming a grandmother! She was 22 when her first child, Mary J. was > born, and age 47 when the last of her five children, Edward, was born. > > The big bonus of this page was that it also gave me her maiden name, > after much searching. This, combined with her great grave stone > inscription, gives me lots of information. How many of us have only > wished for our ancestor gravestones to give such info? > > MARY DONNELLY > Native of Tuam, Galway Ireland > Died Dec 17, 1881 > Age 54 years, 11 months, 23 days > > Taking that information to the really nifty on-line Birth Date > Calculator: > http://web2.airmail.net/bhende19/b-date.htm > > It figured out that (*IF* the inscription was correct) she was born on > Christmas Day 1826. > > Armed with her name and (possibly) her date of birth, I suppose that the > next step might be to write to the RC Parish of Tuam, which has > baptismal records from 1811, and some even earlier. > > If anybody has any DORHAN information I would be happy to hear it. I > have never heard of it until today. There are only three listed on > Rootsweb WorldConnect, one of them being German, another Honora DORHAN, > married an Irishman, Thomas Hudner, b. 1829 in Ireland. The only other > is a living Judy Dorhan, with no other info given. > > On FamilySearch a search for Mary DORHAN brought up only one entries > (Ancestral File) entry, from the US. Entering John DORHAN, there was > one IGI response, this one from England. I cannot even establish that > this name existes in Ireland. > > Could someone with the Griffith's CD please check to see if this name > existed in Ireland during the 1850's? If so, please send any info, > especially on any one in County Galway. > > If anyone has info on this unusual name, please let me know. Perhaps I > should eventually start looking also at DORHAN, or possibly DORAN? I > don't have much confidence in the Holliston Town Clerk, if he thought > that Edward or "Eddie" Francis was a female name! This DORHAN name, as > it is clearly recorded, could be wrong also. > > Thank you, > Tony Riordan > triordan@msn.com > ______________________________________________________________ > THE RIORDAN FAMILY GENEALOGY PAGE: > http://www.geocities.com/triordan.geo/index.html > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > ** Messages to the SHAMROCK list > should be sent to > SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com **

Dear Shamrockers, I just found, quite by accident, the maiden name of my maternal gr gr grandmother. I think that HOW I found it is interesting enough to merit a detailed description. The accidental discovery came in the mail. I had ordered from the Massachusetts State Archives the birth cert. of the brother of my grandmother. The archives found two births for Charles CROWLEY in Holliston MA in 1873, so they sent me a certificate for the most likely one, (which turned out to be the correct one) but they also included a photo copy of the Town Birth Register for the year, with both Charles CROWLEY entries highlighted. The correct Charles CROWLEY was born to Mary J. DONNELLY CROWLEY, daughter of Peter and Mary J. DONNELLY. In scanning the page of entries I was just amazed at what I found there. Three entries and five days later appeared the name "Eddie Francis DONNELLY, Female, born in Holliston to Peter and Mary (DORHAN)." I already knew that a son, Edward F. DONNELLY was born to them in 1873, from census information. So the gender is a mistake. I suppose that the real name is legally what appears on the birth register, however, it appears that the parents named him Edward, because of references in later sources. This incidental inclusion of a copy of the register for a different person showed that Mary DORHAN DONNELLY became a mother, five days after becoming a grandmother! She was 22 when her first child, Mary J. was born, and age 47 when the last of her five children, Edward, was born. The big bonus of this page was that it also gave me her maiden name, after much searching. This, combined with her great grave stone inscription, gives me lots of information. How many of us have only wished for our ancestor gravestones to give such info? MARY DONNELLY Native of Tuam, Galway Ireland Died Dec 17, 1881 Age 54 years, 11 months, 23 days Taking that information to the really nifty on-line Birth Date Calculator: http://web2.airmail.net/bhende19/b-date.htm It figured out that (*IF* the inscription was correct) she was born on Christmas Day 1826. Armed with her name and (possibly) her date of birth, I suppose that the next step might be to write to the RC Parish of Tuam, which has baptismal records from 1811, and some even earlier. If anybody has any DORHAN information I would be happy to hear it. I have never heard of it until today. There are only three listed on Rootsweb WorldConnect, one of them being German, another Honora DORHAN, married an Irishman, Thomas Hudner, b. 1829 in Ireland. The only other is a living Judy Dorhan, with no other info given. On FamilySearch a search for Mary DORHAN brought up only one entries (Ancestral File) entry, from the US. Entering John DORHAN, there was one IGI response, this one from England. I cannot even establish that this name existes in Ireland. Could someone with the Griffith's CD please check to see if this name existed in Ireland during the 1850's? If so, please send any info, especially on any one in County Galway. If anyone has info on this unusual name, please let me know. Perhaps I should eventually start looking also at DORHAN, or possibly DORAN? I don't have much confidence in the Holliston Town Clerk, if he thought that Edward or "Eddie" Francis was a female name! This DORHAN name, as it is clearly recorded, could be wrong also. Thank you, Tony Riordan triordan@msn.com ______________________________________________________________ THE RIORDAN FAMILY GENEALOGY PAGE: http://www.geocities.com/triordan.geo/index.html

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I thought this was a genealogy list. Exclusively. Byrne (Lynch) Stoddard Researching: Lynch, Galligan, Smith, Co. Cavan Breen, Fanning, Co. Tipperary

Thomas, Thanks for your response. It is interesting to know that there was a (at least one) Tim Callaghan in Cork back in the early 1800s. My Callaghans actually moved to England in the mid 1800s - during the famine (around 1850). They moved to St Helens which is in North West England, just north east of Liverpool. Let me know if you find out any more information. Thanks Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas O'Callaghan <toctoc46@msn.com> To: Tim Callaghan <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [SH] Callaghans from Ireland > don't know why it failed, but others have reported the same problem on > occasion. > > My Callaghans were originally from Newtownshandrum, near Charlieville in > north Cork. About 1820, Tim Callaghan migrated to Milleen and settled on a > farm whose west end butted the Limerick Border, about 15 miles north of > where Kerry, Cork and Limerick meet. About 10 miles north of the farm, the > Limerick border swings east and runs along the Cork Border. Tournafulla, > Limerick, is directly north of Milleen, Cork. I don't know a lot yet about > the Tournafulla branch, though one distant cousin said at least two brothers > moved to Chicago which would have been in the late 1800's. I know of a > number of cousins who went to England in the late 1800s. I do not have a > lot of info on them. > > I will keep your address on file and if I get any info on any of them moving > to the St Helen's / Lancs area, I will pass it on. Where is that area > anyway ?? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:14 AM > Subject: Fw: [SH] Callaghans from Ireland > > > > This message is for Thomas O'Callaghan. I tried sending it to your address > > but it failed. > > > > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tim Callaghan <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: Thomas O'Callaghan <toctoc46@msn.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [SH] Callaghans from Ireland > > > > > > > Thanks for your response, > > > > > > I don't have any more information on Rathmore with ... - I just got the > > name > > > from the IGI. I have found Rathmore on the map but not Rathmore with ... > I > > > don't know if this place/parish still exists. > > > > > > It is interesting that your Callaghans were from Cork and that Cork and > > > Kerry are fairly close together so I think it likely that my Callaghans > > were > > > from that area somewhere. > > > > > > Any more help you are able to give me greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Tim > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Thomas O'Callaghan <toctoc46@msn.com> > > > To: Tim Callaghan <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SH] Callaghans from Ireland > > > > > > > > > > My Callaghans are from northwest Cork, on the border with Limerick and > > > > Kerry, south west of Abbeyfeale. They are still there. Also, one > > branch > > > is > > > > from Tournafulla, Limerick, just north of the Milleen, Cork border, > > > although > > > > that branch uses the O' in their name. > > > > Use of the O' in Ireland appears to be a personal choice (or perhaps > > was, > > > > in the past). , not a legal formality like it is here in the US. I'd > > need > > > > more info on where Rathmore with Nohaval and Kilcummin, Kerry is > before > > I > > > > could tell if there was a probable match. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> > > > > To: <SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:45 PM > > > > Subject: [SH] Callaghans from Ireland > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am researching CALLAGHANs from Ireland. I have the name of a > couple > > > and > > > > I > > > > > have found two possibilities for them for the IGI - > > > > > > > > > > Michael Callaghan & Ellen Mannix > > > > > m. 22 Jan 1842 > > > > > Dromtarriff, Cork > > > > > > > > > > Michael Callaghan & Ellen Moriarety (Moriarty) > > > > > m. 23 Jan 1840 > > > > > > > > > > I have found a possible birth for Ellen Mannix (8 Feb 1814 in > > Killarney, > > > > > Kerry) and a number of possible births for Ellen Moriarty in > > Killarney, > > > > > Kerry. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know how I could go about finding the latter couple of > the > > > > 1841 > > > > > census or either couple on the 1851 census. They moved to England > (St > > > > > Helens, Lancs) some time around/after 1850. I would also like to > find > > > out > > > > > about births/christenings of their children. > > > > > > > > > > I would very much like to find out which (if either) of these couple > s > > > are > > > > my > > > > > ancesters. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > > > > > ** Remember! No flames, chain > > > > > letters, virus warnings or other off > > > > > topic posts should be sent to the > > > > > SHAMROCK list ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > > ** To unsubscribe from this list send > > unsubscribe to > > SHAMROCK-L-request@rootsweb.com for > > regular mode, or > > SHAMROCK-D-request@rootsweb.com for > > digest ** > > > > > > >

News from http://www.familysearch.org The 2000 Addendum has been added to the International Genealogical Index. This increases the records in this index from 660 million names to over 705 million. (updated: April 10, 2001) Gus

Hello, anybody have any dealings with Ireland's National Trust? I'm wondering how they may be situated to reply to queries concerning the builder of their own head office? thanks Robert

Hi List This may not be about genealogy, but as Anzac day is a day of remembrance on the 25th April, And if you are like me too young to remember what it was like, for some of our ANCESTORS, here is a great site to go to about the First World War on the left of the page there are numerous areas to visit, also a good music site with the old songs, Hope you enjoy, it is a bit graphic, especially the pictures. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8054/index.html "LEST WE FORGET" Max in Australia

Just to let the list know that I am virus free---Brenda in Tassie

I have 2 SS application that are not mine. 058-22-9511 Margaret Mary, Flaherty, 1057 Grand Ave, Bronx,nee Halligan.Parents, Edward Halligan,Bridget Lyons, born Aug 15, 1908 ------------------------- 107 07 8928 Andrew Flaherty,609 Evergreen Ave, Bklyn, born July 1911 ,parents James Flaherty & Josephine Bailey If they are yours I will send them to you Lorraine

This message is for Thomas O'Callaghan. I tried sending it to your address but it failed. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Callaghan <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> To: Thomas O'Callaghan <toctoc46@msn.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [SH] Callaghans from Ireland > Thanks for your response, > > I don't have any more information on Rathmore with ... - I just got the name > from the IGI. I have found Rathmore on the map but not Rathmore with ... I > don't know if this place/parish still exists. > > It is interesting that your Callaghans were from Cork and that Cork and > Kerry are fairly close together so I think it likely that my Callaghans were > from that area somewhere. > > Any more help you are able to give me greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas O'Callaghan <toctoc46@msn.com> > To: Tim Callaghan <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [SH] Callaghans from Ireland > > > > My Callaghans are from northwest Cork, on the border with Limerick and > > Kerry, south west of Abbeyfeale. They are still there. Also, one branch > is > > from Tournafulla, Limerick, just north of the Milleen, Cork border, > although > > that branch uses the O' in their name. > > Use of the O' in Ireland appears to be a personal choice (or perhaps was, > > in the past). , not a legal formality like it is here in the US. I'd need > > more info on where Rathmore with Nohaval and Kilcummin, Kerry is before I > > could tell if there was a probable match. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <SHAMROCK-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:45 PM > > Subject: [SH] Callaghans from Ireland > > > > > > > I am researching CALLAGHANs from Ireland. I have the name of a couple > and > > I > > > have found two possibilities for them for the IGI - > > > > > > Michael Callaghan & Ellen Mannix > > > m. 22 Jan 1842 > > > Dromtarriff, Cork > > > > > > Michael Callaghan & Ellen Moriarety (Moriarty) > > > m. 23 Jan 1840 > > > > > > I have found a possible birth for Ellen Mannix (8 Feb 1814 in Killarney, > > > Kerry) and a number of possible births for Ellen Moriarty in Killarney, > > > Kerry. > > > > > > Does anyone know how I could go about finding the latter couple of the > > 1841 > > > census or either couple on the 1851 census. They moved to England (St > > > Helens, Lancs) some time around/after 1850. I would also like to find > out > > > about births/christenings of their children. > > > > > > I would very much like to find out which (if either) of these couples > are > > my > > > ancesters. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > > > ** Remember! No flames, chain > > > letters, virus warnings or other off > > > topic posts should be sent to the > > > SHAMROCK list ** > > > > > > > > > > > >

When I joined this list my purpose was to find lister with a similar goal to mine, Find ancesteral information & meet fun people. I did not expect to find a soapbox for Canadian rights. My roots are also Canadian, but there is a time & place for everything. If this is to be a political forum, please let me know & I will "unsubscribe"

For any Canadians out there.......... READ, ACT, AND SEND THIS TO OTHERS!! -- ELI KOULAKIS, 73, lives in the town of Beaconsfield, Quebec. She was born in Montreal, the daughter of Greek immigrants. She spoke English her whole life, went to school in English, writes, reads, works, and dreams in English. But because her mother spoke to her in Greek 70 years ago, the Government of Quebec says she can't be counted as English-speaking when deciding if a town should be ALLOWED to serve people in English. JOSSI RABINSKY, 82, came to Montreal with his parents when he was Three-years-old. He grew up near Park Avenue and eventually raised a family of his own in Cote St. Luc. He paid his taxes, went to school in English, and lived his entire life speaking English. But because his parents spoke Russian to him at home - 80 years ago - the government REFUSES to count him as English-speaking. there are thousands more from our communities who have the same story. They lived their life primarily in English but now the government won't count them as English-speaking. STATISTICS Over 1 million people in Quebec speak English as their preferred official language. But only 650,000 were spoken to by their parents in English when they were kids. And it's this difference in numbers - some 350,000 - that the government is trying to deny are English-speaking so that they can reduce English-language services in Quebec. How? You probably know that the government passed a law to merge towns and cities on the Island of Montreal (Bill 170). This forced merger will erase - forever - towns founded and built by English-speaking Quebecers. The new mega-city will have a French majority and, therefore, according to Quebec law with be a unilingual French city. No bilingual street signs. No bilingual fire departments. No bilingual parking tickets. The government says they will create bilingual "burroughs." But these burroughs won't have any real powers. The people who will serve in these burroughs (police, judges, fire fighters, clerks, etc.) won't be required to speak English because they are hired by the mega city - NOT the "bilingual" (burrough.) HOW THIS COMPARES TO ONTARIO If Montreal was part of Ontario, this wouldn't be an issue. Ontario forces towns with at least 10 percent French-speaking residents to AUTOMATICALLY provide bilingual services. In Quebec, a town has to be 50 percent non-francophone to be able to request English-language services. It is ILLEGAL for a town to provide ANY English-language services unless 50 percent of the residents are non-francophone! But even THESE obstacles aren't good enough for the Quebec government. It gets worse! While everyone was distracted with the mergers law (Bill 170), the government quietly passed another law making it even more difficult to get bilingual services (Bill 171). It is not enough for a town to be 50 non-francophone. The new law now says that we have to be 50 percent "mother-tongue English". That means that those 350,000 English-speaking people like Eli Koulakis and Jossi Rabinsky won't count because their parents spoke another language to them at home when they were kids. (Almost done. Please read on.) IT'S TIME TO ACT The Quebec government has made its intentions clear. First they prevent immigrants from attending our schools. Hundreds of our school closed forever. Then they intimidated our local stores with language inspectors. Many were fed up and moved away. And now they want to erase the only level of government that we control. They want to remove our bilingual street signs. The government has made us feel unwelcome in our own province. Now they want us to feel unwelcome in our own towns. We can prevent them from doing it. But we need everyone's help. Please help. Write to your local federal Member of Parliament and ask them to help our towns in court. As you may know, our towns are challenging these laws in court. The federal government has the power to become an "intervener", which basically means they will join our towns in saying this law violates the Constitution because it will strip our minority community of our institutions. Please, write to your federal Member of Parliament today and write to the Minister of Justice. Time is running out. Please do it today before it is too late! [Example] below just copy and paste to any word doc changing my name to your's and print!!! Hon. Anne McLellan Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada House of Commons Parliament Buildings Ottawa, ON K1A 0A6 E-Mail: McLellan.A@parl.gc.ca Dear Minister: As you may know, a group of municipalities on the Island of Montreal is before the courts arguing that Quebec Bill 170 (to force mergers legislation) is unconstitutional because it attempts to abolish institutions of the English-speaking community. We ask that the Government of Canada intervene in the case - as was done in the Montfort Hospital case in Ontario - to help our community preserve our Basic institutions. Sincerely, PLEASE SEND THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW! IT IS TOO IMPORTANT AN ISSUE TO REMAIN SILENT! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi all, While looking for my grandmother's death cert' I received 2 that were not mine and I'm hoping someone on list can connect to them. Will gladly send the copies to whoever they belong to. Both buried at Calvary Cemetery. RYAN, Mary A. born Aug 15, 1848 in Ireland. Died Jan 30, 1921 in Chgo. ILL. Her parents were: John Rubury and Catherine Maloney. Both born Ireland Address at time of death was 7129 S. Park, Chgo RYAN, Mary, A born Aug 1, 1877 in Chgo. Ill Died Feb. 10, 1922 in Chgo. ILL Parents were: Patrick Ryan and Kathleen Coffey. She was employed by her brother W.W. Ryan. Both parents born Ireland. Address at time of death was: 7329 S. Emmon? Ave. hard to read. Hope this helps someone. Cathie Every Wall is a Door Emerson

G'Day All I have just completed transcribing some for birth records ... BUCKLEY births 1864-1868 for Barony of Trughanacmy Co. Kerry the url is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clannymurphy/buckley18641868t rughanacmy.htm O'KEEFFE/KEEFFE Births - Trughanacmy, Co. Kerry 1864-1868 the url is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clannymurphy/okeeffe18641868t rughanacmy.htm O'SULLIVAN/SULLIVAN Births - Barony of Trughanacmy, Co. Kerry 1866 the url is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clannymurphy/osullivan1866tru ghanacmy.htm If you have any problems with the above links, you can goto http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clannymurphy/index.htm and use the link "Other Researchers Pages & New Found Facts" More records to be added soon as they are transcribed, so keep checking back. -- <Smilin> Clanny Visit my page at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clannymurphy/ _____________________________________ Get your free E-mail at http://www.ireland.com

I am researching CALLAGHANs from Ireland. I have the name of a couple and I have found two possibilities for them for the IGI - Michael Callaghan & Ellen Mannix m. 22 Jan 1842 Dromtarriff, Cork Michael Callaghan & Ellen Moriarety (Moriarty) m. 23 Jan 1840 Rathmore with Nohaval and Kilcummin, Kerry I have found a possible birth for Ellen Mannix (8 Feb 1814 in Killarney, Kerry) and a number of possible births for Ellen Moriarty in Killarney, Kerry. Does anyone know how I could go about finding the latter couple of the 1841 census or either couple on the 1851 census. They moved to England (St Helens, Lancs) some time around/after 1850. I would also like to find out about births/christenings of their children. I would very much like to find out which (if either) of these couples are my ancesters. Thanks Tim

Billie wrote: > Hi how would I go about finding the 1821 census for Fermanagh? > Thanks, and Ellen answered: << the Family History Library Catalog of the LDS Family History Library. <<This catalog is available on line at familyseaarch.com, at the many LDS family history centers, or on CD-ROM for home use. >> And Janet adds: It is also transcribed and online on the Fermanagh Gold site: http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/ This is a free site put online by Jan Hart and the members of the FERMANAGH-L. Happy hunting. :-) Janet C-S