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I'm looking for the family of my ggrandfather Peter Callaghan I have a record of the baptism of Peter and his siblings. The Church was in Killskeer, Co. Meath. I was told it is Upper Kells. Parents Names- Philip Callaghan, Anne Sheridan Children's Names Peter-baptised-June 8,1856 Sponsors-James Sheridan, Bridget Cahill Stephen-baptised-January 1,1859 Sponsors-Farrell Reilly, Anne Fitzsimons John-baptised-June 16,1861 Sponsors-Michael Walsh, Anne Connell Christopher-baptised-December 28,1864 Sponsors-James Connell, Bridget Flanagan Anne-baptised-January 28,1866 Sponsors-Matthew Moore, Elizabeth Fox Margaret-baptised-August 29,1869 Sponsors-Peter Matthews, Catherine Flanagan My ggrandfather Peter immigrated to America and married my ggrandmother Jane McDermott in Phila. in September 1889. Does anyone know anything about Peter's family. Please email me. Thank You, Eileen

Carl, My understanding of anglicization is that it was a general process "to assume or conform to English ways." I don't have any evidence of whether they made up the word "owen" or borrowed the Welsh but either way the process was one of changing the Irish spelling to a version to be written in English (anglicization). Jim McDonald [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > In a message dated 9/29/2002 4:45:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > > Owen is an anglicization of three Irish words Eoghan, Eóin and Abhainn. > > > > My Welsh ancestors would be surprised to hear that Owen was an Anglicization > of much of anything.... > > It's my understanding that there is a difference between Welsh and the > Angles. Certainly history would bear that out.... > > Carl Williams

Hi, all, I could use some help deciphering three notes on 1929 Valuation Lists for County Roscommon. I'm trying to track property occupation after Griffith's. 1. Under "Immediate Lessors", what is the meaning of "in fee L.A.D."? 2. One entry has the name Patrick Morrisroe. The "Patrick" is crossed out and above it is written "John." Below the Patrick is written "(James Watt)". I understand that John replaced Patrick as occupier but what does the (James Watt) mean? 3. Under "Observations" is the note "1925 WB". Haven't a clue what that means. Any help would be appreciated. Ann in South Carolina

I have similar questions about Valuation documents. I hope the explanation appears for all of us to read. Thanks. Maxine Driscoll ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: [SH] Valuation lists > Hi, all, > I could use some help deciphering three notes on 1929 Valuation Lists for > County Roscommon. I'm trying to track property occupation after Griffith's. > 1. Under "Immediate Lessors", what is the meaning of "in fee L.A.D."? > 2. One entry has the name Patrick Morrisroe. The "Patrick" is crossed out and > above it is written "John." Below the Patrick is written "(James Watt)". I > understand that John replaced Patrick as occupier but what does the (James > Watt) mean? > 3. Under "Observations" is the note "1925 WB". Haven't a clue what that means. > Any help would be appreciated. > Ann in South Carolina > > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > ** To contact the listowner send a > message to [email protected] ** >

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This interactive map will get you to the townland ........... http://interactive2.iol.ie/MAPS/content/iolmap.asp LizD ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [SH] DRUMORE Co. Donegal > These searches allow you to locate any townland, parish or village in each of Ireland's thirty two counties. > > http://www.seanruad.com/ > Mapquest.com can get to the parish but not the townland. > http://wwwrd.0mm.com/map019002 > > Ellen > > > > > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > >Does anyone have knowledge of a place in Co. Donegal identified as Drumore? > >Thank you , > >Geraldine > > > > > >DRUMORE, Co. Donegal > > > > > >==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > >*** Helpful Hints for Successful > >Searching > >http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints ** > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ >

Geraldine at [email protected] writes: << Does anyone have knowledge of a place in Co. Donegal identified as Drumore? >> Geraldine, As with nearly all of this type of request, seanruad.com website isn't going to be of any help......as the spelling is not exact. I think you are probably looking for one of the many Dromore townlands in Donegal. There are six plain-flavor Dromores, and a pair of Big and Little ones over in Taughboyne civil parish. Could you give a bit more information on the general area of the county.....or other placenames which might have been nearby, as for weddings, births, etc.? Then, I think we can give more useful information. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Looking for any living relatives of James John (Jimmy) Moroney born August 1938 or 39. His fathers name was Christopher and they were both painter and decorators. From limerick Ireland.Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

These searches allow you to locate any townland, parish or village in each of Ireland's thirty two counties. http://www.seanruad.com/ Mapquest.com can get to the parish but not the townland. http://wwwrd.0mm.com/map019002 Ellen [email protected] wrote: >Does anyone have knowledge of a place in Co. Donegal identified as Drumore? >Thank you , >Geraldine > > >DRUMORE, Co. Donegal > > >==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== >*** Helpful Hints for Successful >Searching >http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints ** > > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Does anyone have knowledge of a place in Co. Donegal identified as Drumore? Thank you , Geraldine DRUMORE, Co. Donegal

Owen is an anglicization of three Irish words Eoghan, Eóin and Abhainn. Owen is used for two unrelated given names: Eoghan (Eugene) and Eóin (John). The "well-born" comes from the German Eugenios 'noble, well-born' and does not apply to Eoghan as far as I'm aware. We don't have a meaning of Eoghan. See Patrick Woulf (1923) 'Irish Names for Children'. The second use of Owen is also an anglicization. Fortunately, Eóin and John are the same name and they come from the Hebrew Johanan, gracious gift of Jehovah. So, if you trace your Owen to: Eoghan, the meaning is not known. Eugenios, it means "noble, well-born". Eóin, it is Johanan. Owen is also used in the names of rivers where it's an a anglicization of 'Abhainn' (river), e.g. Owenmore, Owenbeg, etc. Jim McDonald [email protected]

Hi lists, I just received a copy of a death certificate, today, from: New York Department of Records & Information Services Office of the Commissioner 31 Chambers Street, Suite 305 New York, NY I also received a letter, with it, stating they have photographic records of every house & building from circa 1939-1941 in New York City. They go on to say, this would be a very unique gift for any one interested in genealogy - family history. If you have the exact street address and/or block & lot number for the building you will be able to order a photo. $25.00 for 8" x 10" $35.00 for 11" x 14" plus postage (high-quality black & white prints) I think this is really great that you can obtain a photo of the family home or business. If NYC is doing this you may want to look for other cities & towns across the US, who may have the same service available. :) To those of you who are interested in New York City & this service: Phone: (212) 788-8580 Website: www.nyc.gov/html/doris Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Jim, Anglisization of Irish names was mandated during the Cromwell years. There was no choice. John Flinn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McDonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [SH] Owen, Eugen and the English > Carl, > My understanding of anglicization is that it was a general process "to > assume or conform to English ways." I don't have any evidence of whether > they made up the word "owen" or borrowed the Welsh but either way the > process was one of changing the Irish spelling to a version to be written in > English (anglicization). > > Jim McDonald > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > > > In a message dated 9/29/2002 4:45:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] > > writes: > > > > > Owen is an anglicization of three Irish words Eoghan, Eóin and Abhainn. > > > > > > > My Welsh ancestors would be surprised to hear that Owen was an > Anglicization > > of much of anything.... > > > > It's my understanding that there is a difference between Welsh and the > > Angles. Certainly history would bear that out.... > > > > Carl Williams > > > > > > > > > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > ** To unsubscribe from this list send > unsubscribe to > [email protected] for > regular mode, or > [email protected] for > digest ** >

Hi Virginia, Here are the RYANs at Gethsemane Cemetery, Laureldale, Berks Co., PA: RYAN, Harold J., b. 29 Jul 1896 d. 26 Aug 1972 Was in the armed Forces W.W. I h/o Mary R. RYAN RYAN, James M., b. 29 Mar 1927 d. 21 Jul 1938 s/o Harold J. & Mary R. RYAN RYAN, John F., b. 1851 d. 1909 RYAN, Mary C., b. 1852 d. 1922 RYAN, Mary R., b. 31 Jan 1899 d. 30 Sep 1991 w/o Harold J. RYAN RYAN, Philip A., b. 1884 d. 1944 RYAN, Rita M., b. 1910 d. 1912 Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) P.S. Please update if you find any connections - thank you. :) In a message dated 9/30/2 4:35:53 PM, [email protected] writes: << Hi Helen: I just thought I might check in with you on the Ryan's in Reading. Did you have the cemetery listing for Gethsemane Cem, Reading, Berks Co.? I thought you had sent me an email saying that you now had this, but it may have been someone else. I appreciate your time. Best regards, Virginia Jones >>

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In a message dated 9/29/2002 4:45:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Owen is an anglicization of three Irish words Eoghan, Eóin and Abhainn. > My Welsh ancestors would be surprised to hear that Owen was an Anglicization of much of anything.... It's my understanding that there is a difference between Welsh and the Angles. Certainly history would bear that out.... Carl Williams

Not in Coghlan, et al. "Owen is a name used in Ireland to anglicize Eoghan to which it relates phonetically. In Wales it represents Euguein. Both names mean"well-born." Ellen Ernie Kraut <[email protected]> wrote: >Rita, thank you for the question on the name Eugene. I've wondered why it suddenly appeared in the McMullan of Seavanagh, County Down >lineage. Eugene's maternal grandfather was Owen Gribbon. Now Eoin. > >eanlibof, >Is there a fada or accent or grave or whatever over one of the letters? >Ernie > >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Would the name Eugene be an equivalent of Owen? > >---------------------------------- >From: [email protected] > >> Yes. It is spelled Eoin in Irish. > > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Rita, thank you for the question on the name Eugene. I've wondered why it suddenly appeared in the McMullan of Seavanagh, County Down lineage. Eugene's maternal grandfather was Owen Gribbon. Now Eoin. eanlibof, Is there a fada or accent or grave or whatever over one of the letters? Ernie > -------------------------------------------------- > Would the name Eugene be an equivalent of Owen? ---------------------------------- From: [email protected] > Yes. It is spelled Eoin in Irish.

Thank you to everyone who answered my question about these names. Thanks again, Rita