On one of the lists, someone recently asked for the name of a re -searcher in Ireland so I will pass along this information. I was recently in Dubin and went to the National Library and became a bit familiar with the setup. Their free Genealogy on the spot service there seems to be top notch. Since I was doing something for a friend, I availed myself of this service .I was taken very quickly and the woman spent a lot of time with me as it was early morning. She has an email address on her card. The researcher's name is Mary Beglan A.P.G.I .She has a certificate in Genealogy from UCD. Geraldine

Hi everyone, I would just like to say a big thank you to all the people who contacted me with their praise and comments concerning the Lurgan Ancestry website www.lurganancestry.net These comments makes it all worth while to myself and the other genealogists who volunteered their time and effort into the creation of this website! Thanks Again. Martin McGoldrick. Lurgan Ancestry. Northern Ireland.

Hi Listers More additions to Free Pages and Free Services at www.ulsterancestry.com Free downloadable County Maps More Free E. Postcards with magnificent views of Ireland (send these to your friends!) Irish Marriage Licences Bonds from 1700 covering Tyrone, Fermanagh, Cavan Leitrim, Monaghan. 1803 Extracts of Census of North Antrim More Irish Family names::Their meaning and origins Please use any of the resources which are available on the site for your research. Maggie >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: SHAMROCK-D Digest V02 #294 >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 06:12:10 -0600 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp

Hi everyone, I am writing to inform all on this mailing list that the following records have been added to the Lurgan Ancestry Website at; www.lurganancestry.net 1. The complete 1959 Lurgan directory (approx. 5,000 names) 2. Lurgan directory of 1918 (approx. 1,000 names) 3. The 1755 rental lists of Lurgan (200 names) These, are added to an already extensive list of records, freely available to anyone visiting the website. There is also an in site search engine to find any surnames that you require. Many hours of work and dedication have went toward the research, data input and maintenance of this website by many genealogist and historians of the Lurgan area. Also the book "Lurgan 1901" is now freely available. This book contains over 100 pages of all householders listed in the census, with their age, religion occupation and how many persons were at that dwelling at the time of the census. Also there are stories, photos and newspaper clippings from that year in the book. For more information please email Matt or Sean; [email protected] Many thanks and regards. Martin. Lurgan Ancestry. N. Ireland

Here are few more Sites that have names and placenames. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/irish-placename-studies/ http://www.st-and.ac.uk/institutes/sassi/spns/index.htm http://www.geocities.com/emerald_ancestry/towns.htm http://www.irishplacenames.com/townlands/SilverStream/Pages/SearchScreen.html http://www.ancestryireland.com/databases/matheson/ http://www.seanruad.com./ http://www.dun-na-ngall.com/town.html Bob Cdn.

In addition to SeanRund/THE IREATLAS at http://www.seanruad.com/ another good site for many Irish placenames is listed at this URL: http://www.galway.net/gcs/GCS?h=gis.listplaces&c=10 Just enter the name as directed a presto you have it. Bob Cdn.

Those of you who have been on the Shamrock list for awhile will really know what I am talking about here.... for the newer members, twice a year we have a special event on the list where everyone is invited to send in surnames they are researching in a certain format, and we usually have at least a few matches. This has to be done a certain way because we have over 1200 members, and a few people would rather unsub for that week, and many of you need to switch to digest as this generates so much mail, and if you have a mailbox that is limited, you either need to clean out your mailbox or switch to digest. To switch from regular to digest, send unsubscribe in an email with no other text in the body of the message and leave subject line blank to [email protected] and then send subscribe to [email protected] I usually give people about 24 hours to make whatever switches they need as we have members all over the world. I will send directions on Friday evening , US Central time. So please don't send in your surnames now, as there's a format we use. Thanks, and if you have any questions, please write to me privately. Maura <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Maura Petzolt [email protected] <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> SHAMROCK ROOTS homepage http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/SHAMROCKROOTS Helpful Hints for Successful Searching http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints

John Broderick aka Sean Ruane left us a legacy. He transcribed the townland reference book into a searchable database at URL http://www.seanruad.com/ You can also use wildcards if you do not know the complete name of the townland. Mapquest.com can get to the parish but not the townland. Ellen Pat Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >The reference book: Alphabetical List of Townlands and Towns... [much >more to this title] is an excellent resource when it comes to determing >where and how many places of a certain name are located. > >Check your local library - probably in the reference section. It's >fairly widely distributed. > >Good luck! > > >On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:08:56 EDT [email protected] writes: >> Where in Ireland is Temple Moor >> Thanks >> >> >> ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== >> *** Helpful Hints for Successful >> Searching >> http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints ** >> >> >> > > >==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== >** Visit TIARA for many helpful links >http://www.tiara.ie ** > > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

The reference book: Alphabetical List of Townlands and Towns... [much more to this title] is an excellent resource when it comes to determing where and how many places of a certain name are located. Check your local library - probably in the reference section. It's fairly widely distributed. Good luck! On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:08:56 EDT [email protected] writes: > Where in Ireland is Temple Moor > Thanks > > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > *** Helpful Hints for Successful > Searching > http://community.webtv.net/mpetzolt2/helpfulhints ** > > >

There's a Templemore in County Tipperary....but there may be others, too. h > Subj:[SH] Re: SHAMROCK-D Digest > Date:10/22/02 2:09:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Where in Ireland is Temple Moor > Thanks

Where in Ireland is Temple Moor Thanks

Requesting that someone provide me with the E mail address of a researcher, Ann Gregg at Dublin. Thank you Bill

I have a female cousin whose name is "Francis Arlene." The first name was deliberately spelled in the masculine to honor an uncle killed in the war. You never know!

I have recently discovered the Birth of my gtuncle John Farley at Lying-in-Hospital Brittain St. Dublin North. on 31 March 1863. Can anyone suggest which might be the Catholic Church where he might have been Baptised, as I would like to seek his baptism and that of his older sister Mary who was born ca 1857 in Ireland (from UK 1871 & 1881 census returns). Younger siblings were born in Seacombe Cheshire and baptised at Our Lady & St. Josephs Church Seacombe. The only lead I can think of is to search the parish registers of the appropriate church in Dublin North for these baptism's and the parents marriage. Their parents James & Mary Farley (nee Morris) were born ca 1834 in Ireland but I have no idea where, Can SKS offer any helpful advice. Anthony A Brown of Beaumaris Australia MLFHS 2093 Anthony A Brown of Beaumaris AUSTRALIA

Just adding to names being spelt or pronounced incorrectly. I come from Dublin, now retired and living in England, when I'm in Ireland people I have known from childhood, always refer to me as Tommy Welsh and sometimes I've had letters with my surname spelt as Welch. My mother's Christian name was Mary Frances Hawkins. So as I do my research, I have to watch out for all theses and other peculiarities which I believe adds to the adrenalin of the searcher, or am I just peculiar. Regards and success to all Thomas Walsh ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: [SH] Names and spelling > The names and spellings has generated a great deal of interest and comment. I > am a retired teacher and can give you three rules to follow, particularly in > the southern US: > 1. You will find exceptions if you think of ALWAYS in the spelling of a name. > I have the middle name Francis, and have had girls spell their name with an > I. > 2. The same rule applies when you assume that EVERYONE does it-such as using > the maiden Name, as the middle name by married women. If you want to have > fun, try tracking a Hspanic tree where the son's take the MOTHERS maiden > name, and in recent times the Fathers. > 3. Common pronunciation of a name will not always be the way the family > pronouces THEIR name-Jordan, in this area is pronounced Jerdan. > > Keep a good sense of humor. You will need it. > > Michael Francis Harkins ( which should be Harkin) > > > ==== SHAMROCK Mailing List ==== > ** Please remember - no flames, chain > letters, virus warnings or off topic > posts are allowed on the SHAMROCK > list ** > > >

In a message dated 19/10/02 00:28:23 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > I agree you cannot count on spellings being proper for the sex of the > person. I have a female cousin who spells her name Beverley, normally the > male spelling. She had a great uncle whose name was spelled Beverly, > normally the female spelling. Errors tend to continue because they cause a > mind set. Even today you'll find given names misspelled because the parents > didn't know how it was spelled and spelled it how they thought it sounded. > You can probably even find someone who will argue that I've got the > spelling > reversed. > > I am one of those Dennis who thinks the spellings should be the other way round. My daughter is Beverley which I understand to be correct for a female. It would seem that your relatives consider that to be correct also. Any females with that name that I know or have come across here in the UK have been spelt with the 'ey'. As for Francis(es). In my ggrandfather's army records his daughter's birth record shows her as Francis but her birth certificate says Frances. So yes, it is important to allow for variations. Regards, Sandra

In a message dated 10/18/2002 7:28:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Even today you'll find given names misspelled because the parents > didn't know how it was spelled and spelled it how they thought it sounded. Then there's the opposite situation where a foreign name is used with the correct spelling but pronounced in a way no one from it's area of origin would recognise! Years ago I knew a small girl for several months before I saw her name in writing. I knew her as Kate-Lynn her name was written as Caitlin, the gaelic form of Kathleen, not pronounced Kate-Lynn in Ireland!. To-day variations in spelling and pronounciation are often deliberate (in a search for individuality perhaps?). I am eternally grateful for one branch of my family's strict adherence to naming their sons in a consistent pattern of not only first names but middle names also, without that I never would have found one man recorded twice in the 1930 census :-) He is listed once at home with his parents in Queens, NY where he apparently spent weekends and again in New Haven, Ct.as a boarder, near where he was employed. The census in Ct. was taken three weeks later than in Queens, so he could have been present in each location when it was taken but I think it is more likely related to the census instructions which ask for the names of those usually resident at the address, in this case both his mother and his landlady claimed him:-) GMMcC NJ

In a message dated 10/18/2002 8:30:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > but the > 'Mother's maiden name" question which refers to the present mother, was > answered giving the baby's grandmother's maiden name. Perhaps the young > mother misunderstood the question. > I recently received a death certificate for a 5month old baby who died in NYC in 1892. The father registered the death just two days after it occured. In completing the form he correctly entered his name as the father but then entered his own mother's name instead of his wife's on the line which asked for the mother's name! In this case I already knew the maiden names of both women and the relationships but it certainly would have misled me had that not been the case. It was not a literacy issue that caused this error, possibly the father was distracted by his grief at the very recent loss of his baby son, it somehow made him very "real " to me. GMMcC NJ