This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/3hGBAEB/1190.1 Message Board Post: Hi ! Lloyd Shaffer is my grandfather and Henry and Isabell Geisel-Shaffer are my great grandparents.You have it right by saying Ernest was another son born to Henry and Isabelle ,but there were 10 other siblings. I have all their names if you are interested. please e-mail me or leave a message here and i will get back to you. thanks.