Been a while since I posted, so will try again- Nicholas John (Johan) or John Nicholas - been found both listings, born April 27 1830, "Germany", died Nov 28 1898 - probably Trowbridge as he is bd there. Md Feb 03 1863 to Helena Doll in Long Grove, IL - also looking for where "Long Grove" was - now does not exist - but think around Shelby Co., IL. Can find nothing on him when and where he came to US - we know it was before 1863 - but not much more. Their ch: William (Wilhelm) "Willie" Shafer - b. Feb 12 1864 - d. Aug 28 1864 Long Grove Gotlieb-Gottfried "Fred" J. Shafer - b. Sep 18 1865 Neoga, IL - d. Dec 1 1871 Ashgrove Twp., Shelby Co., IL - bd St. Patrick's Cem, Trowbridge, IL John Nicholas Shafer - b. Jul 12 1868 Neoga, IL - d. June 27 1945 Effingham, IL - bd St Patrick's md Sep 26 1907 Bertha May Capps Shelbyville, IL Anna Mary Shafer - b. Sep 16 1970 Mattoon, IL - d. Mar 2 1937 Olney, IL md John J. Ohm - Apr 2 1897 Trowbridge, IL Francis Shafer - b. Dec 1 1876 - d. Feb 1 1877 - bd St Patrick's Mary Ann Shafer - b. Sep 12 1878 d. June 1941 Shelby CO., IL - md Dec 24 1899 to Joseph Oscar Lawrence in Shelby CO., IL Fritz Shafer - b. abt 1880 Name spelling for different children found as SHAFER, SHAFFER, and SCHAFER. Anything of help greatly appreciated. Glad to share info Merv