> From: "Greg Williams" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Fw: [NJ-L] Congress Passes Bill Detrimental to Genealogists > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 05:40:53 -0500 > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 12:56 AM > Subject: Fwd: [NJ-L] Congress Passes Bill Detrimental to Genealogists ><"jx116.A.k8G.EL9R2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> > >To: [email protected] > >Resent-From: [email protected] > >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/789 > >X-Loop: [email protected] > >Precedence: list > >Resent-Sender: [email protected] > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > > > > >============================================================== > > > >- Congress Passes Bill Detrimental to Genealogists > > > >The U.S. House of Representatives and the Senate have been working > >for a while on a bill designed to extend the term of copyright > >protection by 20 years. H.R. 2589, the House version of copyright > >term extension and now named, "The Sonny Bono Copyright Term > >Extension Act," was adopted by the full House or Representatives > >on March 25, 1998. The bill was sent to the Senate, where it > >languished for some time. In September the Senate passed a > >slightly different bill. The two bodies then worked out a > >compromise document. The House and the Senate passed S. 505 on > >October 7, 1998. President Clinton signed the bill on October 27, > >1998. > > > >Per our Constitution, our government, "to promote the science and > >useful arts" ... secures "for limited times to authors and > >inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and > >discoveries." This balances the right of a person to make a > >profit, with the right of the people to the work (so they can > >freely make derivative works). > > > >Until 1979, the copyright term was 56 years: one 28 year term, > >extendible for an additional 28 years. Hence, in 1978 all works > >created in or before 1922 were in the public domain. In 1979, > >Congress RETROACTIVELY extended copyright terms 19 years, so that > >the material from 1923 has never entered the public domain. Now, > >19 years later, at the urging of the Walt Disney Company, the > >Gershwin heirs, and many others concerned with their rights to > >keep exclusive ownership of intellectual property, Congress has > >RETROACTIVELY extended copyright terms another 20 years, to 95 > >years. > > > >This means that materials written in 1923, which would have > >entered the public domain on Jan. 1, 1999, will now enter the > >public domain on Jan 1, 2019. Materials written in 1924 will now > >enter the public domain on Jan. 1, 2020. And that, sir, is only > >if Congress does not retroactively extend the term a third time. > > > >What impact does this have on genealogists? We all want > >information. In this day and age, information usually is found > >online or on CD-ROM disks. Yet the people who produce those online > >databases and CD-ROM disks are now prohibited from reproducing > >materials printed after 1922. > > > >Newspapers after 1922 (obituaries, especially) will now be in > >copyright for another 20 years. You'll need to wait 20 more years > >before they can be transcribed and put online for free. Old > >genealogies, which might be useful if reprinted, cannot be freely > >reprinted or placed online for an additional 20 years. Historical > >materials cannot be reprinted or placed online for an additional > >20 years. Likewise, obscure works whose copyright status is > >uncertain or where the heirs cannot be tracked down, cannot be > >placed online for an additional 20 years. > > > >For a much more detailed description of the impact, look at: > >http://www.public.asu.edu/~dkarjala/ > > > >My thanks to Richard J. Yanco for his update on the issue. He was > >quite helpful in describing the legal language of the bill to me. > >If you would like to contact Richard, he is at: > >[email protected] > > > > > >============================================================== > > > >If you want to see the current issue as well as back issues of the > >newsletter, look on the World Wide Web at: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/columns/eastman/index.htm > > > >Please feel free to copy this subscription information and pass it > >on to anyone else who you think might be interested in obtaining a > >free subscription. > > > > > > > > > > > >==== NJ Mailing List ==== > >Listowner: Adrianne [email protected] > > > >Send your NJ family, Censuses, Probate, etc..records to the NJ GENWEB > Project > >Archives: Contact: Renee:[email protected] > > > >Townships: http://www.state.nj.us/infobank/locality.htm > > > > > >--part0_910677169_boundary-- > > > > > >==== COOK-CO-IL Mailing List ==== > >To contact the listowner of any list at ROOTSWEB send the message to: > >/listname/[email protected] (same address you used to sub to the list) > >IN THE SUBJECT LINE PUT: RE: LISTOWNER > >This tells the computer to send it to the listowner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== > "There is no better exercise for the heart > than reaching down and lifting people up." > _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private e-mail at http://mail.excite.com/

Dee, I can help you a bit. Your ggg grandmother is Salome "Sally" Steffy the daughter of Michael and Magdalena Steffy. It is Magdalena that you translated as Duffy who was living with George and family on the 1850 census. George Shaffer d. 1 Apr 1890 Clay Lick, Franklin Co and is bu. in Church of the Brethren, Welsh Run, PA. His wife died 1886 in Franklin Co and is buried in same. As to the others on the 1850 census you listed, I can identify Nancy, Peter, both George's and Samuel. I may be able to identify the others with a bit more search time.

Hi: I am posting this again since I found a little more information. George SHAFFER is listed in the Franklin Co., Pa. He is listed as age 47 born in Md. with wife Sarah age 43 born in Pa. Children listed are: Mary age 20; Michael age 17; Margaret age 15; Nancy age 11; Susan age 9; George W. age 6; Louisa age 4; and Simon W. age 1 month. Also listed is an older female M?????? Duffy age 70. Michael is also listed as being born in Md. all others are listed as Pa. George SHAFFER' had some older children. On of which is my gg grandmother Sarah Salome SHAFFER, she married John Chriswell ROBINSON. If any of these sound familiar please contact me. While I was looking through the census for Franklin Co., Pa. I wrote down other SHAFFERS that were on the 1850 census. I do not know if any of them connect with mine or not. They are listed below. Nancy SHAFFER age 41 Pa. Head of Household Eli age 21 Pa. Catherine age 19 Pa. William age 16 Pa. Occupation Laborer Rosannah ? age 14 Pa. Nancy A. age 13 Pa. Jacob age 10 Pa. John age 65 Pa. Occupation hard to read looked like Cook aslo in this household were two other people Henry Levi age 24 Pa. Occupation Laborer Irene Levi age 26 Pa. Another household Peter SHAFFER age 40 Pa. Farmer Catherine age 28 Pa. Lewis age 12 Pa. Anna age 4 Pa. Abraham age 2 Pa. another household Henry SHAFFER age 56 Pa. Occupation hard to read George SHAFFER age 26 Md. School Teacher Catherine age 44? Md. another household Jacob SHAFFER age 38 Pa. Farmer Catherine age 39 Pa. Barbara age 14 Pa. Catherine age 11 Pa. Anna age 8 Pa. John age 6 Pa. Samuel age 3 Pa. Elizabeth age 7 mo. Pa. another household Peter SHAFFER age 61 Pa. Farmer Elizabeth age 55 Pa. Sarah A. age 21 Pa. another household George SHAFFER age 43 Pa. Laborer Millie or Minnie age 38 Pa. This name was hard to read looks like this could be the name John age 20 Pa. Occupation none Ellen age 15 Pa. Sarah age 14 Pa. George age 12 Pa. Jacob age 10 Pa. Elizabeth age 6 Pa. William age 4 Pa. another household Samuel SHAFFER age 47 Pa. Farmer Catherine age 41 Pa. John age 18 Pa. Occupation none George age 17 Pa. Laborer Catherine age 15 Pa. Joseph age 13 Pa. Elizabeth age 11 Pa. Jeremiah age 9 Pa. Sarah age 7 Pa. James age 4 Pa. Anna age 2 Pa. Charolette age 1 Pa. another household Ann SHAFFER age 45 Germany George age 26 Md. Laborer Susan age 15 Pa. Daniel age 13 Pa. Mary age 12 Pa. Nancy age 10 Pa. Jacob age 8 Pa. another household Jacob SHAFER age 61 Germany Farner Catherine age 65 Germany another household Vanentine SHAFFER age 26 Germany Laborer Sophia age 19 Germany If anyone knows whether any of these SHAFFERS connect with mine please contact me. Also hope these help someone. Thank you Dee

Please reply to Nora if you have information. Mark Subject: SHAFFER Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 15:02:04 GMT From: [email protected] (Nora Farrell) To: [email protected] Hi Mark, I am looking for info. on Elsie Frances SCHAEFER KIZER. She was b. 1915 in WV, moved to Mahoning Co., OH by 1918. Mother died in 1925 and she was sent to live w/Margaret and Elmer Crothers in Dunkirk, IN She married IVAN KISER mid to late 1930s. Divorced 1944. Prob. remarried George Wright btw 1944-1945. Last thought to have moved to Marion and working in the "Office of the Peerless" (don't know what or where that was). She has been MIA ever since. See below for info. on parents and sibs. Do any of these Schaefers sound familiar? Thanks, Nora Parents: George SCHAEFER and Caroline STEMMLER b. 1845 b. 1846 both immig. from Germany Children: Henry Harry b. 1870 Pitts. PA Elizabeth Frances b. 1872 PA George F. b. 1876 (George living in Kokomo, IN by 1904 or so. May be other Shaefers there, not sure) Henry Harry m. Nora Elizabeth CODNER Kids: William Norwood b. 1913 WV ELSIE FRANCES b. 1915 WV Russell Henry b. 1916 MD Carl b. 1918 OH

Hi folks, I just found this list; here are my SCHAFFERs and their UPDEGROVE descendants. I'm looking for Elisabeth Schaffer Updegrove's siblings, if any, and her other ancestors... All the folks on this outline lived in Berks, Chester or Montgomery counties in PA. Any connections? robin -------- Descendants of William Schaffer 1 William Schaffer b: Unknown d: Unknown ..+Elizabeth ? b: Unknown d: Unknown . 2 Elizabeth Schaffer b: 12 02 1796 d: 10 14 1881 .....+Jacob Updegrove b: 05 27 1798 Berks, PA m: 11 21 1819 d: 11 08 1873 Berks, PA ..... 3 Beneville (Benwal) Updegrove b: 1821 ..... 3 Sarah Ann Updegrove b: 01 09 1821 d: 08 13 1846 ........+Samuel Weitner b: Unknown Oley PA m: 10 16 1842 ..... 3 William Schaffer Updegrove b: 01 18 1823 d: 02 20 1899 ........+Elizabeth Bauer/Bower b: 04 27 1822 m: 10 25 1846 d: 05 11 1912 ..... 3 Elizabeth Updegrove b: 1828 ........+William Emory b: Unknown ..... 3 Levi Schaffer Updegrove b: 12 16 1830 d: 10 22 1899 Union Twp Berks Co PA ........+Sophia Davidheiser b: 03 09 1826 m: 02 17 1850 d: 08 05 1894 ..... 3 Henrietta Updegrove b: 1836 ..... 3 Frederick Schaffer Updegrove b: 01 16 1837 d: 03 12 1912 ........+Mary Ann Shurr b: 03 17 1864 m: Abt. 1884 d: 07 05 1916 **... 3 Harriet (Weitner) Updegrove b: Abt. 1844 **I think Harriet is actually the grandchild of Jacob and Elisabeth, and the natural child of Sarah Ann & Samuel Weitner. I've found a note referring to her being adopted by her grandparents after her mother's death.

I received this through another surname list. I thought this would be of interest to everyone. Cindy in China Spring, Texas [email protected] *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 10/31/98, at 10:16 PM, Jerry Wright Jordan <[email protected]> wrote: > >I subscribe to the Eastman's Online Genealogy Newswletter. The >following article was in the latest edition that I just received. IT IS >IMPORTANT TO YOUR PRIVACY - READ IT! > >Jerry > > The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy > Newsletter and is copyright 1998 by Richard W. Eastman and > Ancestry, Inc. It is re-published here with the permission of > the author. > > > - Genealogy Web Site Sells Your Name and E-mail Address > >It's a tough world. Lots of businesses sell their customer lists >these days. The result is that you get junk mail and marketing >phone calls from all sorts of companies trying to sell you >something you probably don't want. The newest twist is "spam >mail", unwanted e-mails that advertise all sorts of junk. Now a >well-known genealogy Web site is contributing to the spam mail >that you receive and apparently is profiting from personal >information that they obtain from you under the guise of helping >you do genealogy research. In fact, the Web site apparently is a >"front", as the main purpose seems to be gathering personal >information about you and then selling that information. > >The Family Tree House Web site at http://www.usaafter.com claims >that it is "the Association for FamilyTree Enrollment and >Registry." The home page says, "This site offers free family tree >software and links to key genealogy sites. The software is >available on-line. You can build your FamilyTree House in real >time, no downloading is required." > >They also say, "...you can create and register your own on-line >FamilyTree. And because it is on-line, you can enlist the help of >other family members by giving them your personal access code to >allow them to fill in the missing branches--it's a project the >whole family can participate in no matter where they live." On >another page the site advises, "When requesting information, >please make sure you include your name, mailing address and the >information you would like." > >After they collect all the personal information from you and your >other family members, the owners of Family Tree House apparently >package the information and sell it to other companies that send >junk mail or spam e-mails. On a different Web site, the owners of >Family Tree House offer "a file of 33,600 last-12-month >registrants of the Family Tree House, an association that offers >Web site members free software and links to genealogy sites." The >file they sell reportedly contains information about each person's >date of birth, gender, e-mail address, state and ZIP code. The Web >advertisement says that the file contains listings for 33,600 >people who have left personal information on the Family Tree House >site. > >To check for yourself, first look at http://www.usaafter.com and >then look at: > >http://www.mediacentral.com/Magazines/DirectNewsline/Archive/1998100910.htm > > > > > >-- >Jerry Wright Jordan >email: [email protected] >List owner: WRIGHT Family Discussion List >Web Pages: >Cherokee pages: http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/cherokee_by_blood/index.htm > >WRIGHT pages: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/9335/index.html >WRIGHTs in NC Pages: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/9335/wright/nc.html > *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE ***********

Hi: My name is Frieda, and I to am doing research on the SHAFFER line. I don't have much to go by. Would you happen to have a William Miceal SHAFFER born in 1868 in Dublin? He died in 1935, no I idea where. He married Ida May GUNION 12 March 1896 in Steubenville, Jefferson, Ohio, they William L., George P., Thomas E., Charles V., Sarah J., Elizabeth M. and Cynthia C. They lived in Steubenville,Jefferson, Ohio, Sarah was born in Dublin Franklin Ohio, than they moved to Wellsburgh, Brooke West Virginia. In 1917, Ida and the children moved to Brilliant Jefferson, Ohio, qwith the children. No William Micheal. I have most of his and Ida children. But that is all. George P. was my g.father, and I never met him. I just found my real family 3 years ago. The other g.cchildren of William was never told of their g.father and was not allowed to speak of him. This is way I am at a brick wall. Is there anything in your data that may help. Thank you for your time and May God Bless: Frieda mailto:[email protected]

I've got John Edgar Shaffer b. 1851 in Hamburg, Germany who married Elizabeth Ross from New York City. First child wasn't born until 1898 (Maltilda Shaffer). They moved to Allegany, New York and both died there. Family story says John Edgar came to US ca 1876 with 2 other brothers but family lost contact with them. Vicki =======Gibson Co. TN Mailing List Owner==== ========Clay Co. TX Mailing List Owner====== -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 12:50 PM Subject: [SHAFFER-L] Ferdinand Schaefer >Hello listers! >Does anyone have any information on a Ferdinand SCHAEFER (born in Prussia) who >married a Catherine SCHIRMER (born in Buffalo, NY)? I have not dates, but I >do know that they had at least two children in Erie, Pennsyvlania: Heinrich >Johann Schaefer b. 3 Aug 1877 and Wilhelm Carl Schaefer b. 30 July 1870. Any >leads are greatly appreciated. >Laura Prescott Duffy >Brookline, NH > >

Hello listers! Does anyone have any information on a Ferdinand SCHAEFER (born in Prussia) who married a Catherine SCHIRMER (born in Buffalo, NY)? I have not dates, but I do know that they had at least two children in Erie, Pennsyvlania: Heinrich Johann Schaefer b. 3 Aug 1877 and Wilhelm Carl Schaefer b. 30 July 1870. Any leads are greatly appreciated. Laura Prescott Duffy Brookline, NH

Maria Huston Shaver was born 1818 in Albany Co., New York Her father was Adam Shaver who married her mother "unknown" Huston in 1817. The mother died and Adam married again. It is not known who raised Maria or what became of her, however it assumed the Hustons did. Any inf. would be appreciated. Will share inf. Anna [email protected]

There is a Jacob SHAFFER (1758-1830) buried at Porch's Cemetery, Ligonier Valley, Donegal Twp., Westmoreland Co., PA. He was a Ranger in PA during the Rev. War. If you have more information on him, his ancestors, or descendents, please contact me. Thank you. Mark

I'm searching for anyone with information about John Schaefer b. 1851 who married Mathilda Young b. 1854 and was a jeweler in Pittsburgh. They had the following children, all of whom were born in Pennsylvania: 1. Joseph b. 1871 2. Dorothy (Dora) b. 1872 m. Austin Bailey 3. John b. 1875 4. Charles b. 1877 5. Harry b. 1882 6. Lillian b. 1890 Thanks. Mary ([email protected])

Descendants of John Edgar Shaffer I am looking for connections to John Edgar Shaffer born June 20, 1851 in Hamburg, Germany and died March 24, 1930 in Allegany, New York. He married Elizabeth Ross. Children of John Shaffer and Elizabeth Ross are: George John Shaffer, born February 13, 1900 in New York City, New York; died June 24, 1966 in Olean, New York. He married Jennie Miranda Wilbur. Matilda Shaffer, born 1898. She married Hiram Eaton. Hermand J. Shaffer, born 1902. He married Elizabeth Miller. Henry P. Shaffer, born 1903. He married Alverta Eaton. Andrew U. Shaffer, born April 1905. He married Doris Hitchcock June 18, 1927 in Allegany, New York. Anyone with connections to this family? Vicki

I would like to find others researching the family of George SHAFFER, b.1834 York Co. PA, married to Elizabeth Danner, died 1906. Father thought to be John Shaffer/Shaeffer. Children Lovina, Solomon, Catherine, John, Jacob, Dorothy, Elizabeth, Eliza and William. Sound familiar to anyone? Diane

Please forgive me! That thing about th Professor and Man/Woman/Punctuation was sent to this list totally in error. Karen Mulder

Searching for the parents of Adam Shaver and his wife Sarah Anthony Adam Shaver was b: 26 Jan 1788 in Middletown, then Albany Co., New York d: 03 Aug 1881 in North Henderson, Mercer County, Illinoi married 1st an unknown Houston in 1817 married 2nd Sarah Anthony 1799 - 1839 m: 1822 married 3rd Hulda Unknown 1820 - 1903 m: 1850 Thanks Anna [email protected]

I'm also passing this on. Looks interesting on the names listed on down below. Reba {Mary Lamb - there is a Lamb on it] ---------- From: Adrianne Hopkins <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [HOPKINS-L] English Royalty back to Christ Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 12:50 PM This was on the Quaker list and I found it so interesting, I had to pass it on! Adrianne ========= Hi List, As a result of posting the connection of the Griffith family back to the English Royalty (King Edward III) and having stated that it would be easy to extend the lines now to the Biblical "begats", I have since been asked by several persons to make good on this statement, that is to show how this can be done. I have a large chart in my office here that shows multiple paths to accomplishe this, and I had considered laying out these lineages in a posting to the list. Then I remembered one of the first bookmarks I set when I joined the internet. It is a website for the Chesebro family, which lays this out in exquisite detail, with ample historical data included. This advertises to cover 121 generations from Adam to one of their youngest family members, though I could only count 116. They split the presentation into two parts. The first covers all the generations from Adam to King Alfred the Great of England, some 80 generations in all. The second takes it from Alfred all the way to the present. This will more than satisfy everyone's interest in the subject. My line presented to the list 2 days ago joins this list with Constance Touchet m. to Robert Whitney. (My family groupsheet BDEDH5). One problem with the presentation is that you have to go forward or backward one family at a time. You can't just jump into the middle. With that in mind and the fact that many of you might like to look for a possible connection, I have indexed all the main featured names for the final 15 generations and will list it below. But even if you don't connect immediately, this is a neat package. It convers not just the Biblical lines, but also the Irish Celtic lines, Danish royal lines, early British royal lines back to early BC dates. Next to connecting up to all the famous Biblical personages via Joseph of Arimethia, who settled in Britain after the death of Christ, I found these Celtic lines wonderfully interestng, and I am sure you will too. Here is the URL to access this package: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/h/e/Larry--Chesebro/index.html Have fun with this package. I hope you enjoy it as much asI have. I also hope this satisfies all the follow-on requests from my past posting. Best Wishes, Bruce Wood ___________________________________________________________________________ Index to last 15 generations. I only indexed the featured names. There are many times this many names present, as brothers, sisters, wives of brothers, etc. Even so it is quite a list. Hope this saves you time in looking for what you might want to examine. The index gives the surname, and the superscript number which indicates the generation. (Adam is 1.) Albrechtson 115 Alden 113 Allen 111 Amerman 112 Anderson 112 Ashbey 109 Austin 109,111,112,115 Avery 107-111,113 Babcock 109-111 Bairstow 106 Baldwin 109 Barnes 112 Barret 102 Benedict 110 Benjamin 110 Blossom 111,112 Bolton 107 Boradel 109 Breed 110 Brewer 112 Briggs 113 Brown 111,112 Browning 113 Bulkley 109,110 Bullock 106,107 Burdick 111,112 Burrows 110,111 Bushnell 109 Cagle 115 Callister 114 Carpenter 109 Case 112 Chamblee 115 Champion 110 Champlin 112 Chesbro 106-116 Clarke 113 Coates 112 Cobb 111,112 Crandall 111,113 Crary 108 Culpeper 102 Cutler 112 Davidson 108,109 Davis 110 Denison 108,109 Dennis 109 Dix 113 Doty 111,112 Dowse 106 Dutcher 112 Dyer 110 Eddy 107 Eells 110 Eldred 111,112 Eldredge 109 Ellsworth 112 Englehart 112 Everts 113 Fairbanks 112 Fish 109 Foley 114 Franklin 111 Frink 113 Geer 110 Goalby 113 Goodrich 113 Gore 110,111 Grant 111,112 Grover 110 Guile 111 Haley 111,112 Hancock 108,110 Harris 108 Hayden 112 Herreshoff 112 Hicks 113-115 Hinckley 108 Hitchcock 112, 113 Holmes 106 Howard 112,113 Hubble 112 Hussy 113 Hutardo 112 Ide 107 Ingraham 103-108 Jamison 109 Jones 113 Kennedy 113 Kilbourne 111 Kimball 108,112,113 Knapp 111,112 Koch 113 Lamb 108-111 Lambert 102,114 Langworthy 110-112 Latchaw 114,115 Leeds 109,110 Lesley 112 Lewis 110,111 Loomis 111,112 Lucas 112 Luce 112 Lyman 102-114 Mallory 104,116 Mar 110 Mason 107,111,112 Maxon 110,111 McAfee 113 McCarthy 112,113 McCloud 112 McDowell 107,108 Merriam 112 Miller 112-114 Miner 107-109,111 Misener 116 Mix 109 Moffat 113 Monroe 112 Mulliner 112,113 Newton 112 Packer 108,109 Palmer 108-111 Patterson 109 de Pay 111 Peacock 113 Pendleton 109-111 Phillips 109-112 Plumb 109 Potter 110 Powers 109 Putnam 110,113 Rathburn 109 Reese 114 Rhoads 110 Rhodes 110 Richardson 108 Rider 112 Robinson 106,107,111,112 Rockwell 105 Rogers 114 Rosenbrough 114 Rossiter 108 Royston 116 Sabin 106 Satterlee 108-111 Sayles 113 Searle 106 Shepard 111-114 Shepardson 107 Shores 115 Slack 108,109 Slath 113 Slingsby 102,103 Smith 109,112 Spalding 111,112 Stanton 108-111 Stiles 111 Stuart 113,114 Swan 110 Sweet 107,111 Tanner 113 Terry 111 Thomas 112,113 Thompson 109 Thurston 111 Tibbets 112 Tinker 112 Turner 108,109 Underwood 106 Vaughn 111 Vavasour 102 Wagner 113 Walker 108 Wells, Welles 109,112,113 West 111,112 White 111 Whitney 102-110 Wignall 105 Wilder 112 Williams 109-112 Woodworth 111 Yaw 110 Yoemans 109 Young 115 ______________________________ ==== HOPKINS Mailing List ==== To Search the Archives for this List: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl The Rootsweb searchable archives is up and running. http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl It does assume you know the name of the list you want to search. 

Oct 27 1998 7:00 P.M. CDT Sorry--I can't connect my Shaffer's to yours- notice difference in spelling. However mine were located in Kansas not to far from Ottawa. They migrated from Ohio, Illinois to Ks. Mary

What was Professor SHAFFER's given name? Do you have any genealogical data on the professor to share with the list ? Robert Lake City, FL OriginalMessage----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998 3:30 PM Subject: [SHAFFER-L] Punctuation > > An English professor wrote the words, "Woman without her man is nothing" > > on the blackboard and directed the students to punctuate it correctly. > > The men wrote: "Woman, without her man, is nothing." > > The women wrote: "Woman! Without her, man is nothing." >

An English professor wrote the words, "Woman without her man is nothing" on the blackboard and directed the students to punctuate it correctly. The men wrote: "Woman, without her man, is nothing." The women wrote: "Woman! Without her, man is nothing."