Have you checked wills and Quarter Sessions papers? Are there Overseers Accounts or other Poor Law records for the relevant parishes at the time around the births? Can you tell anything from the naming patterns of the children, which sometimes follow grandparents and their uncles and aunts names? Ian C > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cordelia Hull > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:11 PM > To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp > Subject: [SFHG] an eternal brick wall? > > Can anyone suggest a way around this problem that has > bedevilled a cousin-researcher and myself for years. > > We have a great-grandfather, James Stenning, who had a father > called James Stenning and a grandfather, also called James > Stenning - we call them James the First, Second and Third. > > The oldest James Stenning was baptised in Shermanbury c. 1778/9. > > The problem is, there were two James Stennings baptised in > Shermanbury within 8 months of each other, around that time. > One was baptised on > 5 July 1778 (parents = William Stenning and Jane Stedman). > The other was baptised on 5 March 1779 (parents = James > Stenning and Mary Glazebrook). And there is no way of > determining (from later life > events) which 'Sweet Baby James' was actually our ancestor. > > 'Our' James became an Ag Lab and went on to marry Sarah Bacon > in Ashurst on 27 Oct 1801, but there is no clue to his > parentage there. > He had three children and was widowed early. In 1851 and > 1861 he was living in Bolney, Sussex (as 'widowed father') > with his son James and family. He died of influenza on 2 May > 1864 and was buried at Twineham on 7 May 1864. > > But who were his Mum and Dad? > > One stroke of luck - the two James Stennings born in Shermanbury in > 1778/9 shared one set of grandparents at least, because their > fathers (William and James) were brothers - both were sons of > William Stenning who died in Cowfold in 1788. So we have > some hope of tracing that line further back. But I am also > interested in maternal lines so I would like to know EXACTLY > which James is our ancestor. > > Does anyone have any ideas on how to ascertain which James is > ours, or will we just have to accept this as an eternal brick wall? > > Cordelia Hull > 14526 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
The kids of 'our' James were called Mary, James and Sarah - family names for BOTH guys because they were cousins. I'm not sure that the other records (poor law records etc) would help - they would probably just tell us that a James s/o William and/or a James s/o James existed, which we already know. But are such records searchable on line somewhere, just in case? Cordelia On 19 September 2012 07:22, Ian Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > Have you checked wills and Quarter Sessions papers? Are there Overseers > Accounts or other Poor Law records for the relevant parishes at the time > around the births? > > Can you tell anything from the naming patterns of the children, which > sometimes follow grandparents and their uncles and aunts names? > > Ian C > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cordelia Hull >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:11 PM >> To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp >> Subject: [SFHG] an eternal brick wall? >> >> Can anyone suggest a way around this problem that has >> bedevilled a cousin-researcher and myself for years. >> >> We have a great-grandfather, James Stenning, who had a father >> called James Stenning and a grandfather, also called James >> Stenning - we call them James the First, Second and Third. >> >> The oldest James Stenning was baptised in Shermanbury c. 1778/9. >> >> The problem is, there were two James Stennings baptised in >> Shermanbury within 8 months of each other, around that time. >> One was baptised on >> 5 July 1778 (parents = William Stenning and Jane Stedman). >> The other was baptised on 5 March 1779 (parents = James >> Stenning and Mary Glazebrook). And there is no way of >> determining (from later life >> events) which 'Sweet Baby James' was actually our ancestor. >> >> 'Our' James became an Ag Lab and went on to marry Sarah Bacon >> in Ashurst on 27 Oct 1801, but there is no clue to his >> parentage there. >> He had three children and was widowed early. In 1851 and >> 1861 he was living in Bolney, Sussex (as 'widowed father') >> with his son James and family. He died of influenza on 2 May >> 1864 and was buried at Twineham on 7 May 1864. >> >> But who were his Mum and Dad? >> >> One stroke of luck - the two James Stennings born in Shermanbury in >> 1778/9 shared one set of grandparents at least, because their >> fathers (William and James) were brothers - both were sons of >> William Stenning who died in Cowfold in 1788. So we have >> some hope of tracing that line further back. But I am also >> interested in maternal lines so I would like to know EXACTLY >> which James is our ancestor. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas on how to ascertain which James is >> ours, or will we just have to accept this as an eternal brick wall? >> >> Cordelia Hull >> 14526 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >
One place that might be worth looking at is The London Gazette http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/ they have records going back to the 1600s. I don't find their search engine very user-friendly, but it is worth persevering.... Karen 14897 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Clark <[email protected]> To: 'Cordelia Hull' <[email protected]>; 'SFHG SxFamHXGrp' <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2012, 22:22 Subject: Re: [SFHG] an eternal brick wall? Have you checked wills and Quarter Sessions papers? Are there Overseers Accounts or other Poor Law records for the relevant parishes at the time around the births? Can you tell anything from the naming patterns of the children, which sometimes follow grandparents and their uncles and aunts names? Ian C > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cordelia Hull > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:11 PM > To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp > Subject: [SFHG] an eternal brick wall? > > Can anyone suggest a way around this problem that has > bedevilled a cousin-researcher and myself for years. > > We have a great-grandfather, James Stenning, who had a father > called James Stenning and a grandfather, also called James > Stenning - we call them James the First, Second and Third. > > The oldest James Stenning was baptised in Shermanbury c. 1778/9. > > The problem is, there were two James Stennings baptised in > Shermanbury within 8 months of each other, around that time. > One was baptised on > 5 July 1778 (parents = William Stenning and Jane Stedman). > The other was baptised on 5 March 1779 (parents = James > Stenning and Mary Glazebrook). And there is no way of > determining (from later life > events) which 'Sweet Baby James' was actually our ancestor. > > 'Our' James became an Ag Lab and went on to marry Sarah Bacon > in Ashurst on 27 Oct 1801, but there is no clue to his > parentage there. > He had three children and was widowed early. In 1851 and > 1861 he was living in Bolney, Sussex (as 'widowed father') > with his son James and family. He died of influenza on 2 May > 1864 and was buried at Twineham on 7 May 1864. > > But who were his Mum and Dad? > > One stroke of luck - the two James Stennings born in Shermanbury in > 1778/9 shared one set of grandparents at least, because their > fathers (William and James) were brothers - both were sons of > William Stenning who died in Cowfold in 1788. So we have > some hope of tracing that line further back. But I am also > interested in maternal lines so I would like to know EXACTLY > which James is our ancestor. > > Does anyone have any ideas on how to ascertain which James is > ours, or will we just have to accept this as an eternal brick wall? > > Cordelia Hull > 14526 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message