I would like comments on the following: A woman married twice... 1597 and 1629...A burial record reading "wid" with her first married surname. Here is the situation: Alice Pardon m. John Tillinghast 1597 in Streat, Sussex. She married Henry Waller 1629 in Ifield, Sussex, after John's death in 1624. There is a burial in St. Saviour Parish, Southwark, London which appears 28 JAN 1648 denoted "Alice Tillinghurst" with the word "wid" following the name (which would indicate an age of about 18 and older). I have done a significant amount of research on this family in London between 1550 - 1650 and there in no other Alice Tillinghast/hurst etc., that I have uncovered which would appear as a widow at this time. There was one infant "Alice Tillinghurst" who was buried "St.Bn" earlier....but no other Alice T. Alice Tillinghast Waller's son, Stephen, and his progeny lived in St. Saviour parish from 1623 until well after 1750. My wonder is that the family had her buried under her 1st married name....I am even considering her body may have been taken back to Streat to be buried with John, who died/buried Mar 1624. Any thoughts about this? I have seen numerous gravestones in which the wife who has been married twice or more is shown on the stone as "wife of _____" giving the first husband's name, and then buried next to the first husband....both in the US as well as the UK. PS Can anyone point me to any information which tells me when St. Saviour actually would have been "known as" or combined with Denmark Park and then known as St Saviour Denmark Park? I believe Ancestry has their database incorrectly denoted as "St. Saviour Denmark Park" for the very early records of the 16th and 17th Cs and believe that is incorrect. Need a reference to support that if anyone can help. Thanks very much, Donna TILLINGHAST Casey In a blustery grey snowy northern Michigan...well below freezing The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.

Donna When I read this, my first thought was that there were probably two different Alice T. Whilst you have done loads of research on Ts in London over at least a century, and not found another suitable candidate, they may well have existed, but either the BMD records were never created in the first place, or the written records have subsequently been lost or destroyed or just not transcribed yet. We have to rely mainly on parish records for the period in question, and many parishes have obvious "gaps" in their records, and the vicar or clerk may have omitted individual events (as shown by comparing PRs and the equivalent BTs where they exist). Unless you have other evidence that Henry and Alice Waller had strong connections with Southwark, I would assume that they lived and died close to where they lived during their marriage (Ifield??). It is all too easy having done loads of searching to assume we have all the information. But what we have is only what has survived, without being able to guess at what is missing for whatever reason (an "unknown unknown"). That is why it is important to look at other types of records if they exist (wills & admons, court cases, apprenticeships, poor law accounts etc). They cover fewer people than PRs, and their survival rate is even lower, but they can often provide some "missing" data, or corroborate (or even disprove) a theory, And unfortunately most of them are still not online, so not accessible from freezing Michigen. Ian C On Sun, 2 Nov 2014, at 15:59, Donna Casey via wrote: > I would like comments on the following: > > A woman married twice... 1597 and 1629...A burial record reading "wid" > with her first married surname. > > Here is the situation: > Alice Pardon m. John Tillinghast 1597 in Streat, Sussex. > She married Henry Waller 1629 in Ifield, Sussex, after John's death in > 1624. > > There is a burial in St. Saviour Parish, Southwark, London which appears > 28 JAN 1648 denoted "Alice Tillinghurst" with the word "wid" following > the name (which would indicate an age of about 18 and older). > > I have done a significant amount of research on this family in London > between 1550 - 1650 and there in no other Alice Tillinghast/hurst etc., > that I have uncovered which would appear as a widow at this time. There > was one infant "Alice Tillinghurst" who was buried "St.Bn" earlier....but > no other Alice T. Alice Tillinghast Waller's son, Stephen, and his > progeny lived in St. Saviour parish from 1623 until well after 1750. > > My wonder is that the family had her buried under her 1st married > name....I am even considering her body may have been taken back to Streat > to be buried with John, who died/buried Mar 1624. > > Any thoughts about this? > > I have seen numerous gravestones in which the wife who has been married > twice or more is shown on the stone as "wife of _____" giving the first > husband's name, and then buried next to the first husband....both in the > US as well as the UK. > > PS Can anyone point me to any information which tells me when St. > Saviour actually would have been "known as" or combined with Denmark Park > and then known as St Saviour Denmark Park? I believe Ancestry has their > database incorrectly denoted as "St. Saviour Denmark Park" for the very > early records of the 16th and 17th Cs and believe that is incorrect. > Need a reference to support that if anyone can help. > > Thanks very much, > Donna TILLINGHAST Casey > In a blustery grey snowy northern Michigan...well below freezing > > The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will > change; the realist adjusts the sails. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I can't help with the first part of your posting, but I might be able to help with your PS. My grandmother used to live in Camberwell and we used to be taken for walks in Ruskin Park, off Denmark Hill. On the western side of Ruskin Park there used to be a church which was known by a host of different names locally vizt. Ruskin Park, St. Saviour; Denmark Hill, St. Saviour; Champion Hill, St. Saviour and Herne Hill, St. Saviour. However, its real name according to the National Index of Parish Registers was Dulwich, St. Saviour in Denmark Park, Champion Hill. It was a parish created from East Dulwich, St. John the Evangelist in 1881 and I think that the church was demolished about 30 years ago. It has nothing to do with Southwark, St. Saviour in Borough High Street which is now the Anglican Southwark Cathedral and dedicated to St. Saviour & St. Mary Overie- and not to be confused either with Southwark, St. George the Martyr, which lies at the other end of Borough High Street. Southwark's churches can be very confusing indeed! Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323