Hello all A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. A couple of more questions if I may. I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this is him? Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same person? Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Importance: High Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Simon, You have to realize that 1. Not all parish records are in the IGI, it is an ongoing project. Therefore if Stephen was baptized it may just be that his baptism isn't in the database yet. & 2. Your Stephen may have not been baptized. 3. It is possible that he was baptized in another parish not yet transcribed or another county entirely such as Kent. Families from Sussex often spread to Kent to find work. 4. If the information on the IGI states it is from a member of the LDS then you cannot be sure that it is correct. I have found that the earlier census information is often the nearest to the correct age. BUT having said that people often either lied about their ages for various reasons or simply couldn't remember their true age or if someone else was giving the information to the emumerator they could have just guessed. Until you have absolute proof from a source such as a birth certificate, the actual parish record or even a newspaper announcement you can never be sure. Kathleen's advice in an earlier e-mail to visit a LDS center is a good one. The librarians there are extremely helpful. Regarding the various information that you have found. It was more common in past times that several children in a family could have the same name. Sometimes this was to honour a grandparent or a favourite uncle or a relative killed in a war. There could have been any number of reasons. Sometimes in one family there could have 2 children with the same name. The reason for this was because if a child was sickly and it was thought that it might die then the next child was often given the same name. However, of course maybe the sickly child didn't die and then you ended up with 2 children with the same name. In that case one of the children might have been known by his 2nd christian name during later life. I would suggest you take a good look on the IGI to see all of the families with the name of Sellman in Ewhurst and try to follow them through their marriages and children in censuses. This way you can see how many Stephen's there were for example. It is highly probable that there was a grandfather named Stephen who had amongst other siblings a William & a Limbro and that both of the brothers called a child Stephen. I too have the name Stephen in one of my Sussex families and I had to start a large database in order to keep control of which Stephen I was finding information about :-) However, it did help me get a clearer picture. The best way is to take the research slowly and to double check dates and information. Other sites that may help you are: www.familyhistoryonline.net, www.historicaldirectories.org, www.genuki.org.uk, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:24 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Hello all A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. A couple of more questions if I may. I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this is him? Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same person? Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Importance: High Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Simon, There are some avenues that haven't yet been explored. The first is to search www.a2a.org.uk. Two records of interest come up when searching for SELLMAN in East Sussex Additional Manuscripts, Catalogue Y Catalogue Ref. AMSY Creator(s): East Sussex Record Office, Lewes [Access Conditions] Records are open for consultation unless otherwise indicated Documents relating to the Ades family of Brede FILE - Lease for 21 years from 29 Sep 1759 at £151 4s - ref. AMS6385/2 - date: 10 Mar 1760 [from Scope and Content] W: John Graham, Robert Smith, Sarah French, Limbro Sellman, Selina St John, William Sharp PARISH OF EWHURST Catalogue Ref. PAR324 Creator(s): Church of England, Ewhurst Parish, East Sussex Overseers of the Poor: bastardy records - ref. PAR324/34 Maintenance orders FILE - Maintenance order - ref. PAR324/34/4/69 - date: 10 Oct 1820 [from Scope and Content] Stephen Sellman, labourer, to pay 2s 6d weekly for the maintenance of child born to Sarah Ann Harmer Additional Manuscripts, Catalogue Z Catalogue Ref. AMSZ Creator(s): East Sussex Record Office, Lewes [Access Conditions] Records are open for consultation unless otherwise indicated Searching for LIMBRO in East Sussex yields three records, one of which is listed above BRUNDRETT & CO OF 10 KINGS BENCH WALK, SOLICITORS: CLIENTS' PAPERS Trustees of the will of Col John By of Shernfold in Frant - ref. AMS6417/1 [from Scope and Content] Thomas Reed, Edward Fisher and William Fisher sold the 46a 3r to James Rogers and his trustee William Lambert on 18 and 19 June 1804, and the 18a 2r 18p to him on 27 and 28 December 1809. The second purchase was mortgaged to William Selman (possibly the executor of Limbro Selman, whose will of 27 August 1807 was in the bundle) and Thomas Reed for £300 on 25 June 1810, and the first to William Baker on 13 and 14 April 1813. On 7 March 1821 the first mortgage was transferred to Thomas Reed alone, and the second mortgage assigned to Katherine Rosam by William Baker's heirs (his will of 12 November 1822 was in the bundle) on 13 and 14 October 1831 PARISH OF EWHURST Catalogue Ref. PAR324 Creator(s): Church of England, Ewhurst Parish, East Sussex Overseers of the Poor: bastardy records - ref. PAR324/34 Maintenance orders FILE - Maintenance order - ref. PAR324/34/4/11 - date: 9 Nov 1789 [from Scope and Content] Limbro Salmon the younger, to pay 1s 6d weekly for the maintenance of child born to Ann Christmas These latter two provide alternative spellings of the surname (SELMAN and SALMON). If you say SELLMAN quickly, it is easy to see how it could morph into SALMON. The records also indicate that a will exists for LIMBRO SELMAN. There is a post on rootsweb regarding LIMBRO SELLMAN (http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.sellman/79/mb.ashx). It was made in 2003, but may be worth following up on. There is a World tree on ancestry.com that contain LIMBRO SELMAN. It would appear that a LIMBRO SELMAN was christened in Ewhurst on 26 Aug 1767 and was the son of LIMBRO SELMAN and MARY. There is quite a bit of information on that family. The information may be useful in helping eliminate some lines. Searching documents on line at www.pro.gov.uk shows that you can download the will of LIMBRO SELMAN (Yeoman of Ewhust; will dated 28 Jul 1808). Google books did not appear to yield anything of interest I hope that this was helpful. Regards Mark Milton (9750) Simon Orchard wrote: > Hello all > > A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in > point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with > finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. > > A couple of more questions if I may. > > I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of > christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would > reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years > old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this > is him? > > Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the > 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same > person? > > Simon 12772 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] > Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 > To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst > Importance: High > > Hi Simon, > > Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? > Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 > at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and > Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of > information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further > let me know. > > Good Luck, > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Simon Orchard > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM > To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst > > > Dear all > > This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in > advance for any newbie type questions. > > I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have > got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find > the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at > Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as > Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the > 1841 census. > > > I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, > 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. > > Many thanks in advance for any help. > > > Simon Orchard 12772 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Hello there Simon, I've been watching your exchange with various people on the List. As another piece of useful information I might add that in the 1841 census (and only in that one apparently) the age of adults (over 15 years) was rounded down to the nearest 5 years, e.g, age 43 would appear as 40. This might account for a 4 year difference in age, but not a 9 year one! Good luck with your researches - be warned, it is addictive! But maybe you have already found that out. All the best, Judith 10915 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: 26 June 2008 17:24 To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Hello all A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. A couple of more questions if I may. I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this is him? Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same person? Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Importance: High Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1519 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 4:13 PM
Many thanks once again for all the helpful advice and pointers. One interesting little thing I discovered about my Sellman ancestors is that during the last quarter of the 19th century several of my relations were in domestic service at Battle Abbey. For example, in 1881 my great great grandparents are listed as lodge keepers living at Battle Abbey gatehouse, then in 1891 my them widowed great great grandmother and her son, my great grandfather lived at Battle abbey lodge, which today as it turns out can be rented from English Heritage for holidays http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.00100100100j008001 Now I'll have to see if I can track down photos from the period, although I'm an expat now living in Norway I'm coming over to Sussex for a few days to do a spot of family history hunting. Regards from the Arctic Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Judith Mooney [mailto:judith.brooke@btinternet.com] Sent: 27 June 2008 17:33 To: Simon Orchard; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Hello there Simon, I've been watching your exchange with various people on the List. As another piece of useful information I might add that in the 1841 census (and only in that one apparently) the age of adults (over 15 years) was rounded down to the nearest 5 years, e.g, age 43 would appear as 40. This might account for a 4 year difference in age, but not a 9 year one! Good luck with your researches - be warned, it is addictive! But maybe you have already found that out. All the best, Judith 10915 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: 26 June 2008 17:24 To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Hello all A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. A couple of more questions if I may. I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this is him? Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same person? Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Importance: High Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1519 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 4:13 PM