It is very good of you to be taking the trouble persevering with my family. I am a bit depressed because not only do I have this problem with Cornelius but there are more recent problems that are proving difficult to solve - one with my grandmother, one with my uncle (both of whom I met once) and one with an aunt who was never talked about and I didn't know existed. So I have plenty to do but if it is not raining I tend to prefer to look after the garden. So progress is slow. Regards Frank Deborah Montgomerie wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Don't give up yet I am still looking for you for proof of Corneilius or the > evasive Caroline. Perhaps she had another first name at one time or South > could have been a married name before she married Corneilius. However, you > have to bear in mind that Caroline and & Corneilius James may never have > been officially married, perhaps they just called themselves married for a > while. As a domestic servant, if he was with a large household he may have > travelled around with them. You do have a good puzzle here as he could have > used the names James or even Neil instead of Corneilius. > > Definitely Caroline is not the one who married Thomas Chappell as I tracked > them for a while to check them out. > > Your puzzle is the sort where Corneilius just pops up on a ship headed for > the US one day. The fact that I found someone with the same name in early > 1900's may well prove he did come over. > > Wishing you good luck, > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Frank Chappell > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:12 AM > To: brialing > Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather > > Hello Brian, > You've done very well in tracking Caroline and I will investigate the > wedding with William Hutchins. But it looks as though my family history > comes to an end with my Great Grandfather. Maybe he never existed! > Many thanks for all your help. > Regards > Frank > > brialing wrote: > >> Dear Frank, >> >> I think Caroline is the answer here but she seems to be as elusive as >> Cornelius ! >> >> There is a marriage in the Brighton district in 1882 between a Caroline >> Chappell and William Hutchins. >> >> In the 1891 and 1901 Censuses, Caroline is shown as being born in Clapham, >> so this would seem to be her. >> >> If your Caroline was born in Clapham, then the registration district at >> > the > >> time was Petworth. I just put in Caroline in FreeBMD and checked the >> marriages for all of those who were born between 1837 and 1841 and no >> luck...none were married to a Chappell ! >> >> I found the births registered in Clapham in IGI for that period and again >> using Caroline only, there were only 3 shown, Caroline Christopher (1834), >> Caroline Mills (1836) and Caroline Stanford (1840), but again, looking for >> marriages to a Chappell bought up nothing. >> >> If she was in London in 1861 then there is a good chance that she was >> married there, by the looks of it to another servant. >> >> I can see why this is a brickwall. >> >> I cannot think at present of the next step, but I thought I would send you >> these ramblings, it may well be that there is a lister out there who can >> suggest other courses of actions. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Brian Denn >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frank Chappell [mailto:dandf@talktalk.net] >> Sent: 11 February 2008 11:36 >> To: brialing >> Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather >> >> Hello Brian, >> I also had a connection between Caroline and Clapham but the link to >> Hannover Square is new to me. Her maiden name was not Scutt but SOUTH >> and I don't think there is much chance of a connection between the two. >> Caroline Chappell appears in the 1871 and 1881 censususes (censi?) >> though her ages seem a bit variable. There is also a possible record of >> her in 1891 in Yorkshire married to a Thomas Chappell. If it is her did >> she just look around to find someone to marry with the same surname? >> Fascinating. >> Regards, >> Frank >> >> brialing wrote: >> >> >>> Dear Frank, >>> >>> By doing some backtracking, by the 1881 census, Caroline was born in >>> Clapham, Sussex (although in 1871 it shows Patching). >>> >>> If you go back to 1861 and put in Caroline, born Clapham, it comes up >>> > with > >>> Caroline Chappell, married, a servant working in Hannover Square. >>> >>> In 1851 using the same criteria, the obvious person we have in a Caroline >>> Scutt, again a servant in Broadwater. >>> >>> In FreeBMD, there is a marriage entry for a Caroline Scutt in Brighton in >>> 1859 but there are no other entries for that reference. >>> >>> I have checked the name of Chappell for that quarter in the original >>> >>> >> indexes >> >> >>> and there is no corresponding entry. >>> >>> This is only guesswork of course and does not tell us why the >>> >>> >> husband/father >> >> >>> seems to be missing at the times the censuses are taken and if you have >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> finances you may wish to get that marriage certificate and find out who >>> Caroline did marry. >>> >>> Happy hunting, >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Brian Denn >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >>> >>> >> Behalf >> >> >>> Of Frank Chappell >>> Sent: 06 February 2008 16:51 >>> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather >>> >>> My stonewall is my Great Grandfather - Cornelius James CHAPPELL. His >>> existance is shown on my >>> grandfather Samuel's birth certificate where he appears as the father >>> and is described as a domestic servant. >>> The birth was registered in Brighton in February 1863 so I guess he was >>> alive in 1862. In the 1871 census only his wife >>> Caroline and Samuel appear. 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