Hello Brian, You've done very well in tracking Caroline and I will investigate the wedding with William Hutchins. But it looks as though my family history comes to an end with my Great Grandfather. Maybe he never existed! Many thanks for all your help. Regards Frank brialing wrote: > Dear Frank, > > I think Caroline is the answer here but she seems to be as elusive as > Cornelius ! > > There is a marriage in the Brighton district in 1882 between a Caroline > Chappell and William Hutchins. > > In the 1891 and 1901 Censuses, Caroline is shown as being born in Clapham, > so this would seem to be her. > > If your Caroline was born in Clapham, then the registration district at the > time was Petworth. I just put in Caroline in FreeBMD and checked the > marriages for all of those who were born between 1837 and 1841 and no > luck...none were married to a Chappell ! > > I found the births registered in Clapham in IGI for that period and again > using Caroline only, there were only 3 shown, Caroline Christopher (1834), > Caroline Mills (1836) and Caroline Stanford (1840), but again, looking for > marriages to a Chappell bought up nothing. > > If she was in London in 1861 then there is a good chance that she was > married there, by the looks of it to another servant. > > I can see why this is a brickwall. > > I cannot think at present of the next step, but I thought I would send you > these ramblings, it may well be that there is a lister out there who can > suggest other courses of actions. > > Regards, > > > Brian Denn > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Chappell [mailto:dandf@talktalk.net] > Sent: 11 February 2008 11:36 > To: brialing > Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather > > Hello Brian, > I also had a connection between Caroline and Clapham but the link to > Hannover Square is new to me. Her maiden name was not Scutt but SOUTH > and I don't think there is much chance of a connection between the two. > Caroline Chappell appears in the 1871 and 1881 censususes (censi?) > though her ages seem a bit variable. There is also a possible record of > her in 1891 in Yorkshire married to a Thomas Chappell. If it is her did > she just look around to find someone to marry with the same surname? > Fascinating. > Regards, > Frank > > brialing wrote: > >> Dear Frank, >> >> By doing some backtracking, by the 1881 census, Caroline was born in >> Clapham, Sussex (although in 1871 it shows Patching). >> >> If you go back to 1861 and put in Caroline, born Clapham, it comes up with >> Caroline Chappell, married, a servant working in Hannover Square. >> >> In 1851 using the same criteria, the obvious person we have in a Caroline >> Scutt, again a servant in Broadwater. >> >> In FreeBMD, there is a marriage entry for a Caroline Scutt in Brighton in >> 1859 but there are no other entries for that reference. >> >> I have checked the name of Chappell for that quarter in the original >> > indexes > >> and there is no corresponding entry. >> >> This is only guesswork of course and does not tell us why the >> > husband/father > >> seems to be missing at the times the censuses are taken and if you have >> > the > >> finances you may wish to get that marriage certificate and find out who >> Caroline did marry. >> >> Happy hunting, >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Brian Denn >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> > Behalf > >> Of Frank Chappell >> Sent: 06 February 2008 16:51 >> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather >> >> My stonewall is my Great Grandfather - Cornelius James CHAPPELL. His >> existance is shown on my >> grandfather Samuel's birth certificate where he appears as the father >> and is described as a domestic servant. >> The birth was registered in Brighton in February 1863 so I guess he was >> alive in 1862. In the 1871 census only his wife >> Caroline and Samuel appear. I can find no record of his birth, marriage >> or death. >> Can anyone help? >> Frank Chappell (9258) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> > in > >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: >> > 06/02/2008 > >> 09:13 >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: >> > 06/02/2008 > >> 20:14 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 > 11:54 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 > 11:54 > > > > > >
Hi Frank, Don't give up yet I am still looking for you for proof of Corneilius or the evasive Caroline. Perhaps she had another first name at one time or South could have been a married name before she married Corneilius. However, you have to bear in mind that Caroline and & Corneilius James may never have been officially married, perhaps they just called themselves married for a while. As a domestic servant, if he was with a large household he may have travelled around with them. You do have a good puzzle here as he could have used the names James or even Neil instead of Corneilius. Definitely Caroline is not the one who married Thomas Chappell as I tracked them for a while to check them out. Your puzzle is the sort where Corneilius just pops up on a ship headed for the US one day. The fact that I found someone with the same name in early 1900's may well prove he did come over. Wishing you good luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Frank Chappell Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:12 AM To: brialing Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather Hello Brian, You've done very well in tracking Caroline and I will investigate the wedding with William Hutchins. But it looks as though my family history comes to an end with my Great Grandfather. Maybe he never existed! Many thanks for all your help. Regards Frank brialing wrote: > Dear Frank, > > I think Caroline is the answer here but she seems to be as elusive as > Cornelius ! > > There is a marriage in the Brighton district in 1882 between a Caroline > Chappell and William Hutchins. > > In the 1891 and 1901 Censuses, Caroline is shown as being born in Clapham, > so this would seem to be her. > > If your Caroline was born in Clapham, then the registration district at the > time was Petworth. I just put in Caroline in FreeBMD and checked the > marriages for all of those who were born between 1837 and 1841 and no > luck...none were married to a Chappell ! > > I found the births registered in Clapham in IGI for that period and again > using Caroline only, there were only 3 shown, Caroline Christopher (1834), > Caroline Mills (1836) and Caroline Stanford (1840), but again, looking for > marriages to a Chappell bought up nothing. > > If she was in London in 1861 then there is a good chance that she was > married there, by the looks of it to another servant. > > I can see why this is a brickwall. > > I cannot think at present of the next step, but I thought I would send you > these ramblings, it may well be that there is a lister out there who can > suggest other courses of actions. > > Regards, > > > Brian Denn > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Chappell [mailto:dandf@talktalk.net] > Sent: 11 February 2008 11:36 > To: brialing > Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather > > Hello Brian, > I also had a connection between Caroline and Clapham but the link to > Hannover Square is new to me. Her maiden name was not Scutt but SOUTH > and I don't think there is much chance of a connection between the two. > Caroline Chappell appears in the 1871 and 1881 censususes (censi?) > though her ages seem a bit variable. There is also a possible record of > her in 1891 in Yorkshire married to a Thomas Chappell. If it is her did > she just look around to find someone to marry with the same surname? > Fascinating. > Regards, > Frank > > brialing wrote: > >> Dear Frank, >> >> By doing some backtracking, by the 1881 census, Caroline was born in >> Clapham, Sussex (although in 1871 it shows Patching). >> >> If you go back to 1861 and put in Caroline, born Clapham, it comes up with >> Caroline Chappell, married, a servant working in Hannover Square. >> >> In 1851 using the same criteria, the obvious person we have in a Caroline >> Scutt, again a servant in Broadwater. >> >> In FreeBMD, there is a marriage entry for a Caroline Scutt in Brighton in >> 1859 but there are no other entries for that reference. >> >> I have checked the name of Chappell for that quarter in the original >> > indexes > >> and there is no corresponding entry. >> >> This is only guesswork of course and does not tell us why the >> > husband/father > >> seems to be missing at the times the censuses are taken and if you have >> > the > >> finances you may wish to get that marriage certificate and find out who >> Caroline did marry. >> >> Happy hunting, >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Brian Denn >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> > Behalf > >> Of Frank Chappell >> Sent: 06 February 2008 16:51 >> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather >> >> My stonewall is my Great Grandfather - Cornelius James CHAPPELL. His >> existance is shown on my >> grandfather Samuel's birth certificate where he appears as the father >> and is described as a domestic servant. >> The birth was registered in Brighton in February 1863 so I guess he was >> alive in 1862. In the 1871 census only his wife >> Caroline and Samuel appear. I can find no record of his birth, marriage >> or death. >> Can anyone help? >> Frank Chappell (9258) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> > in > >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: >> > 06/02/2008 > >> 09:13 >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: >> > 06/02/2008 > >> 20:14 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 > 11:54 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 > 11:54 > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message