To the list: I would be grateful for help and/or advice. My 3Ggrandfather, John Miles Harman (born about 1767), is said (by IGI) to be the son of John Harman and Kate Miles, and indeed IGI also shows the elder John Harman as the spouse of Kate Miles. However, neither familysearch nor SMI has a marriage between a John Harman and a Kate Miles; IGI shows marriages with an Abigail Gunn or a Rose Mary Moore at the appropriate time but the use of "Miles" as a second Christian name is strong evidence that John Miles Harman was indeed the son of Kate Miles. I would be grateful for suggestions as to how I can solve this. Gordon Smith (8479)

Hi Gordon, I took a look for you and I see that both records in the IGI were put there by a member of the LDS church. Any time you see that it means that the source could be unreliable. The info did not come from a parish register. Members of the LDS church are encouraged to give family members names as part of sealings for the dead. The info could have come from a family bible or be just family hearsay and you may be relying on people's memories. Perhaps the record that Jackie found is the correct one and the couple didn't get married until much later on. It does sound as if Kate/Kitty Miles was the mother of John but perhaps John and Kate were not married when he was born. 20 years before deciding to get married was not unheard of :-) Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:44 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Harman To the list: I would be grateful for help and/or advice. My 3Ggrandfather, John Miles Harman (born about 1767), is said (by IGI) to be the son of John Harman and Kate Miles, and indeed IGI also shows the elder John Harman as the spouse of Kate Miles. However, neither familysearch nor SMI has a marriage between a John Harman and a Kate Miles; IGI shows marriages with an Abigail Gunn or a Rose Mary Moore at the appropriate time but the use of "Miles" as a second Christian name is strong evidence that John Miles Harman was indeed the son of Kate Miles. I would be grateful for suggestions as to how I can solve this. Gordon Smith (8479) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gordon, I have just looked in Rootsweb in the Sussex-Plus-L archive messages and there is a lady named Denise McKenzie in NZ who has researched Catherine (Kitty/Kate) Miles and family. She says she has a lot of information. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:44 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Harman To the list: I would be grateful for help and/or advice. My 3Ggrandfather, John Miles Harman (born about 1767), is said (by IGI) to be the son of John Harman and Kate Miles, and indeed IGI also shows the elder John Harman as the spouse of Kate Miles. However, neither familysearch nor SMI has a marriage between a John Harman and a Kate Miles; IGI shows marriages with an Abigail Gunn or a Rose Mary Moore at the appropriate time but the use of "Miles" as a second Christian name is strong evidence that John Miles Harman was indeed the son of Kate Miles. I would be grateful for suggestions as to how I can solve this. Gordon Smith (8479) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gordon, As every entry I have looked at for John's baptism so far has been "Member Submitted", my advice would be to ignore it, especially if the extracted entries for that period are on the IGI. Have you considered that, if illegitimate, his mother may have been a Harman and his father is the Miles. Regards, Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" <sativushouse@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: [SFHG] Harman > To the list: > > I would be grateful for help and/or advice. My 3Ggrandfather, John Miles > Harman (born about 1767), is said (by IGI) to be the son of John Harman > and Kate Miles, and indeed IGI also shows the elder John Harman as the > spouse of Kate Miles. However, neither familysearch nor SMI has a marriage > between a John Harman and a Kate Miles; IGI shows marriages with an > Abigail Gunn or a Rose Mary Moore at the appropriate time but the use of > "Miles" as a second Christian name is strong evidence that John Miles > Harman was indeed the son of Kate Miles. I would be grateful for > suggestions as to how I can solve this. > > Gordon Smith (8479) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Philip, An interesting thought - thank you! I think this particular poser will continue to nag away at me for some time to come! Gordon Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Evans" <info@philevans.org> To: "Gordon Smith" <sativushouse@yahoo.co.uk>; <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Harman > Hello Gordon, > > As every entry I have looked at for John's baptism so far has been "Member > Submitted", my advice would be to ignore it, especially if the extracted > entries for that period are on the IGI. > > Have you considered that, if illegitimate, his mother may have been a > Harman and his father is the Miles. > > Regards, > Phil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gordon Smith" <sativushouse@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:43 AM > Subject: [SFHG] Harman > > >> To the list: >> >> I would be grateful for help and/or advice. My 3Ggrandfather, John Miles >> Harman (born about 1767), is said (by IGI) to be the son of John Harman >> and Kate Miles, and indeed IGI also shows the elder John Harman as the >> spouse of Kate Miles. However, neither familysearch nor SMI has a >> marriage between a John Harman and a Kate Miles; IGI shows marriages with >> an Abigail Gunn or a Rose Mary Moore at the appropriate time but the use >> of "Miles" as a second Christian name is strong evidence that John Miles >> Harman was indeed the son of Kate Miles. I would be grateful for >> suggestions as to how I can solve this. >> >> Gordon Smith (8479) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > >