Sorry i think i sent to wrong email address. Trying again. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Karen Webster" <news4kaz@gmail.com> Date: 06/03/2015 7:38 AM Subject: Dates in the database To: <sfhg-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Hi What does it mean in the database when it gives two consecutive years, such as 1699/1700 ? Kind regards Karen Webster.

Hi What does it mean in the database when it gives two consecutive years, such as 1699/1700 ? Kind regards Karen Webster.

karen, It means old style and new style dates. The calendar was changed in the 1700s from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar and 11 days were missed as an adjustment. The old [Julian] year for example meant that the year went from March to March so that 10 January 1730 was after March 31 1730. Also the new year which used to start in March now began in January. Jeff SFHG 3646 In a message dated 05/03/2015 21:48:15 GMT Standard Time, sfhg@rootsweb.com writes: Sorry i think i sent to wrong email address. Trying again. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Karen Webster" <news4kaz@gmail.com> Date: 06/03/2015 7:38 AM Subject: Dates in the database To: <sfhg-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: Hi What does it mean in the database when it gives two consecutive years, such as 1699/1700 ? Kind regards Karen Webster. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Findmypast are offering free access to their datasets this weekend. The offer begins at 12.00 GMT on Fri 06 March to 11.59 GMT on Monday 09 March. You will need to register for an account with your name, e-mail address and country of residence, but credit card details are not required. You will find further details at http://www.findmypast.co.uk/freeweekend . With best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member 3323 PS. I am also posting this message to the Sussex-Plus List.

Thanks very much to all those who have replied with copies of the newspaper report into the accidental shooting of Herbert Beedle/Beadle in 1905. Its prompted me to take out my own subscription to the newspaper archive. Neal

Name: Herbert Beedle Event Type: Birth Registration Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration Year: 1892 Registration District: Dorking County: Surrey Event Place: Dorking, Surrey, England Volume: 2A Page: 153 Line Number: 271 Dorking Reg'n district for Capel. Wendy On Tuesday, 3 March 2015, 6:18, Neal Ward via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: Dear Listers, My grandmother Emma Beedle was the second of ten children born to Mark and Caroline Beedle in Capel Surrey. The youngest was Herbert, who, according to the census, was born about 1892.  All his siblings were baptised at Capel, but I can't find his baptism, nor can I find his birth registration.  In searching for a death entry I found a church burial record for 28th June 1905 for Herbert Beedle aged 13 years, with the endorsement in the margin "after Coroners Inquest accidentally shot"  I would very much like to learn more about this tragedy. In addition to searching for newspaper reports, I wondered if the Coroners Inquest itself might be available somewhere. Neal 9743                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to my previous posting, I have located a newspaper report of the accidental shooting, and I wonder if someone who has a subscription to the newspaper archive might look it up for me:- Saturday 1st July 1905 Dorking and Leatherhead Advertiser "A Boy Fatally Shot", Newdigate , Cider Mill Farm. Many Thanks Neal 9743

Dear Listers, My grandmother Emma Beedle was the second of ten children born to Mark and Caroline Beedle in Capel Surrey. The youngest was Herbert, who, according to the census, was born about 1892. All his siblings were baptised at Capel, but I can't find his baptism, nor can I find his birth registration. In searching for a death entry I found a church burial record for 28th June 1905 for Herbert Beedle aged 13 years, with the endorsement in the margin "after Coroners Inquest accidentally shot" I would very much like to learn more about this tragedy. In addition to searching for newspaper reports, I wondered if the Coroners Inquest itself might be available somewhere. Neal 9743

In case anyone has been searching for a marriage (or location) for a George Llewelyn REES, b. c. 1843 in Worthing, s/o George Edgar REES and Matilda Brandish REES, I have a copy of the Clergyman's Registration Slip for George, who was married in Cape Breton in 1873. I would be pleased to provide a copy of said Slip to anyone who has him as a brick wall in their database. Robert in Kanata 13919

hello listers the meeting 10 march at st andrews church hall 1x30 the topic American emigrants and descendants , any part of the continent not just usa. sending a bit earlier this month to give more time to look for them. Christine God Bless

Hi Diana, I had major problems with FTM 2014 around March last year not long after I first loaded it, like yourself I made lots of calls to Ancestry FTM help desk, they suggested several things to try but not being a whiz kid with computers I got completely lost. Luckily I finally spoke to a girl at Ancestry who was most helpful, she spent about an hour talking me through various screens before reloading FTM2014 once more and it has been OK since then. There have been a couple of updates since last March so have you checked that you are running the latest version? Other than that Diana I am sorry but I can't be of much help. Good luck and I hope you can get it sorted; perhaps someone else who reads your email may be able to help. Best wishes, Terry Britt 12067 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Burns via Sent: 28 February 2015 15:23 To: sfhg-L Subject: [SFHG] FTM 2014 I wondered if anyone else has upgraded from FTM 2011 (or other version) to 2014 and has experienced problems? Since installation, my FTM has become unusable, with every attempt to enter new data being plagued by gender and relationship changes. I have spent hours on the phone to a succession of call-centre employees, none of whom have been able to help. Am I alone in this frustrating situation? Diana Burns No. 9914 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

I wondered if anyone else has upgraded from FTM 2011 (or other version) to 2014 and has experienced problems? Since installation, my FTM has become unusable, with every attempt to enter new data being plagued by gender and relationship changes. I have spent hours on the phone to a succession of call-centre employees, none of whom have been able to help. Am I alone in this frustrating situation? Diana Burns No. 9914

Brilliant. Thank you so much, Steve. I have gathered some other 'evidence' to support the notion that the kid baptised in Keymer on 9 April 1749 was John not James (see below). I was going to use these arguments in my tree if I could not resolve the problem. But if you can check the actual record it would be brilliant. i) there is another James born to the family 11 years later, with no record of 'Jas' being buried in the meantime ii) the sfhg transcriber seems to have made another error in transcribing another baptism in this family (Martha/Martin) iii) the name John is often abbreviated to Jno, which could easily be mistaken for Jas if the writing was bad iv) there is a marriage for a John Norman in Keymer twenty years after 1749 but no appropriate baptism for a John Norman in Keymer earlier. None of these factors is sufficient in itself, of course, but taken together they might mean something, especially as the LDS transcriber obviously thought it was meant to be John (Jno) not Jas. Cheers and thank you, Cordelia On 26 February 2015 at 07:26, Steve Selby <grayscroft@gmail.com> wrote: > I am going to The Keep on Friday, so I will look the entry up for you at > East Sussex Record Office. > > Steve Selby > > -----Original Message----- From: Cordelia Hull via > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:14 PM > To: Joe Austen > Cc: SFHG SxFamHXGrp > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Was he John or Jas? > > > Yes, I do know that, Joe. That is actually the problem - the frontis site > transcribed whatever is in the actual parish record as JAS (i.e James) > whereas the LDS site transcribed whatever is in the actual parish record as > JOHN. > > What I want to know is . . . . . What name is in the ACTUAL parish record. > :-) > > I am hoping sks will take a look for me next time they are doing their own > research at a Record Office. Can you oblige, or do you live outside Sussex > too? > > Of course, even the original parish record might not be correct - parish > clerks often got it wrong. :-( > > Cheers, Cordelia > > On 25 February 2015 at 23:16, Joe Austen <stenjoe@outlook.com> wrote: > > you are probably aware of this, but in case you don't Jas is an >> abbreviation of James >> >> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:34:25 +1100 >> > To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [SFHG] Was he John or Jas? >> > From: sfhg@rootsweb.com >> >> > >> > I am trying to discover the given name of a child baptised at Keymer on >> > 9 >> > April 1749. His parents were William and Ann Norman. >> > >> > LDS records (familysearch.org) say he was called John, and he is listed >> as >> > such on Ancestry.com (which takes its data from the LDS site anyway). >> > >> > But on the frontis database (baptisms for St Damian and St Cosmos, >> Keymer) >> > he is listed as Jas, not John. >> > >> > I'm looking for a possible baptism of the John Norman who married Mary >> > Hayward in Keymer on 29 Apr 1769, but I don't want to consider this 1749 >> > baptism if it belongs to a James not a John. >> > >> > I live in Oz so cannot go to Record Office to check. >> > >> > Can anyone help please? >> > >> > Cordelia >> > 14526 >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, I do know that, Joe. That is actually the problem - the frontis site transcribed whatever is in the actual parish record as JAS (i.e James) whereas the LDS site transcribed whatever is in the actual parish record as JOHN. What I want to know is . . . . . What name is in the ACTUAL parish record. :-) I am hoping sks will take a look for me next time they are doing their own research at a Record Office. Can you oblige, or do you live outside Sussex too? Of course, even the original parish record might not be correct - parish clerks often got it wrong. :-( Cheers, Cordelia On 25 February 2015 at 23:16, Joe Austen <stenjoe@outlook.com> wrote: > you are probably aware of this, but in case you don't Jas is an > abbreviation of James > > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:34:25 +1100 > > To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SFHG] Was he John or Jas? > > From: sfhg@rootsweb.com > > > > > I am trying to discover the given name of a child baptised at Keymer on 9 > > April 1749. His parents were William and Ann Norman. > > > > LDS records (familysearch.org) say he was called John, and he is listed > as > > such on Ancestry.com (which takes its data from the LDS site anyway). > > > > But on the frontis database (baptisms for St Damian and St Cosmos, > Keymer) > > he is listed as Jas, not John. > > > > I'm looking for a possible baptism of the John Norman who married Mary > > Hayward in Keymer on 29 Apr 1769, but I don't want to consider this 1749 > > baptism if it belongs to a James not a John. > > > > I live in Oz so cannot go to Record Office to check. > > > > Can anyone help please? > > > > Cordelia > > 14526 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I am going to The Keep on Friday, so I will look the entry up for you at East Sussex Record Office. Steve Selby -----Original Message----- From: Cordelia Hull via Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:14 PM To: Joe Austen Cc: SFHG SxFamHXGrp Subject: Re: [SFHG] Was he John or Jas? Yes, I do know that, Joe. That is actually the problem - the frontis site transcribed whatever is in the actual parish record as JAS (i.e James) whereas the LDS site transcribed whatever is in the actual parish record as JOHN. What I want to know is . . . . . What name is in the ACTUAL parish record. :-) I am hoping sks will take a look for me next time they are doing their own research at a Record Office. Can you oblige, or do you live outside Sussex too? Of course, even the original parish record might not be correct - parish clerks often got it wrong. :-( Cheers, Cordelia On 25 February 2015 at 23:16, Joe Austen <stenjoe@outlook.com> wrote: > you are probably aware of this, but in case you don't Jas is an > abbreviation of James > > > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:34:25 +1100 > > To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SFHG] Was he John or Jas? > > From: sfhg@rootsweb.com > > > > > I am trying to discover the given name of a child baptised at Keymer on > > 9 > > April 1749. His parents were William and Ann Norman. > > > > LDS records (familysearch.org) say he was called John, and he is listed > as > > such on Ancestry.com (which takes its data from the LDS site anyway). > > > > But on the frontis database (baptisms for St Damian and St Cosmos, > Keymer) > > he is listed as Jas, not John. > > > > I'm looking for a possible baptism of the John Norman who married Mary > > Hayward in Keymer on 29 Apr 1769, but I don't want to consider this 1749 > > baptism if it belongs to a James not a John. > > > > I live in Oz so cannot go to Record Office to check. > > > > Can anyone help please? > > > > Cordelia > > 14526 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to discover the given name of a child baptised at Keymer on 9 April 1749. His parents were William and Ann Norman. LDS records (familysearch.org) say he was called John, and he is listed as such on Ancestry.com (which takes its data from the LDS site anyway). But on the frontis database (baptisms for St Damian and St Cosmos, Keymer) he is listed as Jas, not John. I'm looking for a possible baptism of the John Norman who married Mary Hayward in Keymer on 29 Apr 1769, but I don't want to consider this 1749 baptism if it belongs to a James not a John. I live in Oz so cannot go to Record Office to check. Can anyone help please? Cordelia 14526

Cordelia, you really need to see the originals & hope the writer was on the ball. I've seen many abbreviated - Jos, Jno, Jas? often just put in as James or John when in fact it may have been Joseph or Josiah , Joshua.Don't believe all that is transcribed, sometimes it is a hard task. Wendy On Wednesday, 25 February 2015, 16:11, Cordelia Hull via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: I am trying to discover the given name of a child baptised at Keymer on 9 April 1749.  His parents were William and Ann Norman. LDS records (familysearch.org) say he was called John, and he is listed as such on Ancestry.com (which takes its data from the LDS site anyway). But on the frontis database (baptisms for St Damian and St Cosmos, Keymer) he is listed as Jas, not John. I'm looking for a possible baptism of the John Norman who married Mary Hayward in Keymer on 29 Apr 1769, but I don't want to consider this 1749 baptism if it belongs to a James not a John. I live in Oz so cannot go to Record Office to check. Can anyone help please? Cordelia 14526 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to all those who have replied to my request. I've learned a lot, in particular that before attempting to transcribe a Will, members should consult the Wills index, which in this case shows that a transcription had already been done! However, there is still some uncertainty about some of the names in the Will, as, at the end of the day, reading difficult handwriting inevitably involves some inspiration or even guesswork. I am interested in trying to trace Mary Ward's cousin, who she names as William Dene/Dane/Dine or something similar. I thought she said he was from Westgrinstead, but those with more experience of such handwriting suggest the place is Westmeston. I would very much like to trace this cousin, as I have very little information about Mary herself - I think her maiden name might have been Bailey as there is a Clandestine Marriage of a Mary Bailey to Richard Ward in 1749, but, unlike other similar marriages at this time, no details about the bride or grooms occupation or address are given. If Richard Ward (who died in 1799) and Mary were married in 1749, they would have been together for 50 years, a extraordinarily long time for the period. However, when Mary died in 1802, her MI says she was 74 years old, ie born about 1728, so a marriage at 21 in 1749 would have been quite normal. Neal

Hi All, I am hoping that someone may be able to help me break down my long standing brick wall. I am looking for the baptism and parents of Solomon Glyde. He married Mary Hyland 27th December 1759 at St Annes, Lewes. Their known children are Mary (b.1760 Salehurst), Martha (b. c1763) and William (who I descend from, b.1765 Salehurst). Solomon died 1792 Salehurst aged 65 making him born around 1727. If anyone is able to help me with this, I would be very grateful. Alan (membership 1917)

Neal This will has already been transcribed. Try willstore@sfhg.org.uk Judy Excell Researching a particular Sussex name? Why not ask for all that SPI holds? -----Original Message----- From: Neal Ward via Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:44 PM To: sfhg@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Help please to transcribe names in a will Dear Listers, I'm having great difficulty with the handwriting in the 1802 will of Mary Ward of West Grinstead. She was the widow of Richard Ward (1724 - 1799), and as far as I know they did not have any children. The only marriage I can find that could fit is a clandestine marriage at the Fleet, July 19th 1749, of Richard Ward to Mary Bailey. The marriage record has no further details, not even their place of residence, so I would really like to find some other evidence of Mary's maiden name. Her will (which is on Ancestry) mentions a number of individuals, but its very hard to correctly transcribe their names. The first name of interest is in the 5th line where she says "and I give and bequeath unto my Cousin William Dent (?) of Westgrinstead in the county aforesaid (Sussex) husbandman.." I cannot find a William Dent born in the right period anywhere in Sussex, and there is no William Dent in the SMI. As it happens I already have a William Dent from a later period on my tree as I have a Kate Ward marrying a William Dent in Brighton in 1891, but this William Dent came all the way from Northumberland and his parents came from there too. A couple of lines later Mary Ward says "unto Mary ----- the wife of Allen ---- of Ditchling in the said county plumber and glazier the sum of fifty pounds", then she says "and unto John ---- --- of Hurstpierpoint. Can anyone help me to correctly transcribe these names (and any others in the will they care to look at!)? Many Thanks Neal Ward 9743 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message