Hi Seems to me the answer to this one is the usual - ' Go back to the original record' ie don't rely on a transcription. In this case consult the Parish records. Probably filmed by the LDS. Failing that check the BTs. Brenda --------------------------- Can anyone suggest why a burial which is included in the online West Sussex Burial Index (1538-1600) of the Sussex Record Society (SRS) is not to be found in the SFHG Data Archive nor the National Burial Index? - nor in FamilySearch, Ancestry or Findmypast. The burial in question is: DURRANT Umfry 22 March 1581 Petworth PR Par 149/1/1/1 I have the 3rd edition of the NBI & it says it includes records of the Anglican Church of Our Lady of Pity in Petworth, whereas the SFHG includes burials from St Mary's, Petworth. Lower's "A Compendious History of Sussex" (1870) refers to the Petworth church as being dedicated to Our Lady of Pity or of the Assumption. Does anyone know if Our Lady of Pity (Assumption) is the same church as St Mary's? I have only been able to find this burial in The SRS database - and wonder why? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thank you Christine Jackson SFHG 397 From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sfhg-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 4 July 2015 5:25 p.m. To: sfhg@rootsweb.com Subject: SFHG Digest, Vol 10, Issue 29

For those of us not living in the UK you can access parish records via the Church of Latter Day Saints' Family History Center near where you live. Check out https://familysearch.org/locations/ to see if one is close to you. They have microfilms, projection booths, free computer access to ancestry.com, and even microfilm-to-computer printers --although I have found that using a smart phone camera of the record on the projection board works great. Christine was asking about Petworth. If you are curious was LDS offers, you can see an example of what records they hold for Petworth at: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/results?count=20&placeId=23404&query=%2Bplace%3A%22England%2C%20Sussex%2C%20Petworth%22&subjectsOpen=350960-50,1033131-50,635783-50 As you can see they often have Manor Rolls and other records, including transcriptions. I only recently discovered that there is a Center just a few blocks from me here in Cranbrook, BC Canada. The staff are very friendly and helpful, and there is no proselytizing. I've ordered many PRTS discs and find that they do not always transcribe all that is written in the actual records, such as "widow" or the place where the person was from. They do have a caveat on all their products to consult the originals, and that is certainly required. What I have done is go through the PRTS transcriptions and pull out all entries for a surname (use the "find" feature in the PDF, but also check the glossary at the end for possible variations of the surname spelling). When I have a list for baptism, marriage and burial parish records, I print and bring the list to the Center to check against the original and Bishop Transcripts. I then cross reference against Challen transcriptions (if available). You will find errors and omissions which may be crucial to your research. For example, I was recently puzzling through the Stedham Parish records for two surnames, Ayllwyn and Aylynge, that seemed to be used interchangeably in the same family groups --but mostly only in the 16th century. Having viewed the originals it appears that the parish records we have are not original but likely transcribed in the early 17th century. And the transcriber seems to have been mis-transcribed Aylynge in most cases (as subsequently confirmed via viewing the BT's, Wills, Sussex Inquisition, etc). Chris Ayling Member #16632

Hello Christine The entry in the SRS West Sx Burial Index reads: DURRANT Umfry 22 March 1581 Petworth PR Par 149/1/1/1 In the burials for Petworth in the SFHG Data Archive & also in the CD of St Mary the Virgin [by the Parish Register Transcriptions Society] there is an entry for the 22.3.1581 burial of Joane Durrant In each case the date is exactly the same. I wonder where the SRS got their info? - as it seems everyone else has taken it from the PR which presumably says the burial on that date was of Joane. Unfortunately, being in Canada I can't drop in to WSRO to check it! I will email the SRS and pose the same question to them. In the meantime if you have any suggestions, please let me know! Thank you Christine Jackson SFHG 397 ----- Original Message ----- From: christine payne <paynes.porcelian@btinternet.com> To: Christine Jackson <jackson_cf@yahoo.com>; SFHG <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2015 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Petworth hello Christine I think it has been in the past referred to as ST Mary our lady of pity. as to why they have an entry we do not if you send me what you have I will look it up in the database and see if there is a reason . Christine God Bless

hello Christine I think it has been in the past referred to as ST Mary our lady of pity. as to why they have an entry we do not if you send me what you have I will look it up in the database and see if there is a reason . Christine God Bless

Can anyone suggest why a burial which is included in the online West Sussex Burial Index (1538-1600) of the Sussex Record Society (SRS) is not to be found in the SFHG Data Archive nor the National Burial Index? - nor in FamilySearch, Ancestry or Findmypast. The burial in question is: DURRANT Umfry 22 March 1581 Petworth PR Par 149/1/1/1 I have the 3rd edition of the NBI & it says it includes records of the Anglican Church of Our Lady of Pity in Petworth, whereas the SFHG includes burials from St Mary's, Petworth. Lower's "A Compendious History of Sussex" (1870) refers to the Petworth church as being dedicated to Our Lady of Pity or of the Assumption. Does anyone know if Our Lady of Pity (Assumption) is the same church as St Mary's? I have only been able to find this burial in The SRS database - and wonder why? Any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thank you Christine Jackson SFHG 397

………and finally(?) A claw hammer with a straighter less curved claw than our UK one is known in the US as a Framing Hammer. Took me a long time to remember that! Trevor 10402 > On 1 Jul 2015, at 15:00, Donna Casey via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Just to add a bit more support for "framer" as an occupation, I have had that in my transcriptions on a number of occasions. > Donna Tillinghast Casey > Michigan, USA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine Jackson via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> > To: SFHG <sfhg@rootsweb.com> > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:52 AM > Subject: [SFHG] Fw: Framer? > > Have tried switching to plain text - I think maybe the use of html in the urls has been the problem - but it removes the actual links I provided originally - so I'm typing them out this time instead of inserting a copy of the link > > > 1) Hall Genealogy > rmhh.co.uk/occup/f.html > > 2) www.familyresearcher.co.uk/glossary/Dictionary-of-Old-Occupations-jobs-beginning-F5.html > > I hope this gets through this time. > > Please note that, as you can see from the message string below, I have indeed been using the "Reply all" feature and regret that my message did not reach you originally > > Christine Jackson > SFHG 397 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list members, If Christine's email has not come through to everybody , try putting Hall Genealogy Website to Google. I have just done this and it brings up all the information you need for the Old Occupations List. Margaret 5836 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

From: stenjoe@outlook.com To: nomo.gunther@btinternet.com; grahamnoyce@uwclub.net CC: sfhg@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] Old occupations Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:13:56 +1030 Well that has been a total waste of time and data, my computer has downloaded 4 emails that tell me absolutely nothing, maybe some people need lessons in the relevance of what they are sending. Joe Austen 9934 in OZ > To: grahamnoyce@uwclub.net > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:32:18 +0100 > CC: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Old occupations > From: sfhg@rootsweb.com > > Nor me! > > Marianne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Noyce via > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:40 AM > To: sfhg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Old occupations > > >From this post, I gather that "Christine" has made a useful suggestion? > > Nothing seen by me? > > Graham > On 01/07/2015 01:43, Margaret Major via wrote: > > Thank you Christine . I'm sure a lot of members will also be interested I > > the useful site you have given. > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret, I am not certain whether it was a legitimate trade or not, but on the birth certificate of my great great uncle,(William Henry Goodrich) on the thirteenth of September 1867 in Lambeth RD, The occupation of his father (one of my gg grandfathers) John Goodrich was given as picture frame maker(Master) Admittedly I am concerned that the statements attributed to that set of my ancestors are suspect, as his sisters (my g grandmother) certificate states her fathers occupation was Sergeant in the Coldstream Guards. He was certainly in the Coldstream Guards for ten years, but never rose above the rank of corporal. I don't know if he was a charlatan or not because the informant on all the certificates was the mother. Hope this helps. Regards Joe Austen 9934 in Tropical NQ OZ > To: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:46:53 +1200 > Subject: [SFHG] Framer? > From: sfhg@rootsweb.com > > Is there someone with an interest in early rural occupations? > > In the burials on my Fittleworth parish CD: > > ' 9th Feb 1732, Henry, son of Henry Jay, framer' Was that a > misspelling of farmer or was framer a village occupation? > > > > I have found a photograph of men putting strips of bark into a steel frame > ready for firing in a kiln. Also I think faggots of wood were held in an > iron circle in broom making. If frame making was common village craft, would > the worker need a forge like a blacksmith or were there also types of > frames made from wood? > > > > Margaret Major 5836 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That sounds interesting. It could easily get interpreted as farmer. I have an ancestor who was said to be a farmer in one record, but showed no evidence of having a farm anywhere else! Alison Sent from my iPad > On 1 Jul 2015, at 16:00, Monica Roberts via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > As I committed the crime of using the reply button instead of the correct address I thought that I would use the proper channels and try again! > > I have a copy of The Complete A-Z Guide to Early Occupations (a SoG publication), which gives the definition of Framer as follows: > > A person who made frames for houses. > > which I think fits in perfectly well with the rural context, and must have been a highly skilled trade. > > Regards to all, > > Monica Roberts 12713 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As I committed the crime of using the reply button instead of the correct address I thought that I would use the proper channels and try again! I have a copy of The Complete A-Z Guide to Early Occupations (a SoG publication), which gives the definition of Framer as follows: A person who made frames for houses. which I think fits in perfectly well with the rural context, and must have been a highly skilled trade. Regards to all, Monica Roberts 12713

Just to add a bit more support for "framer" as an occupation, I have had that in my transcriptions on a number of occasions. Donna Tillinghast Casey Michigan, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Jackson via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> To: SFHG <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:52 AM Subject: [SFHG] Fw: Framer? Have tried switching to plain text - I think maybe the use of html in the urls has been the problem - but it removes the actual links I provided originally - so I'm typing them out this time instead of inserting a copy of the link 1) Hall Genealogy rmhh.co.uk/occup/f.html 2) www.familyresearcher.co.uk/glossary/Dictionary-of-Old-Occupations-jobs-beginning-F5.html I hope this gets through this time. Please note that, as you can see from the message string below, I have indeed been using the "Reply all" feature and regret that my message did not reach you originally Christine Jackson SFHG 397

Have tried switching to plain text - I think maybe the use of html in the urls has been the problem - but it removes the actual links I provided originally - so I'm typing them out this time instead of inserting a copy of the link 1) Hall Genealogy rmhh.co.uk/occup/f.html 2) www.familyresearcher.co.uk/glossary/Dictionary-of-Old-Occupations-jobs-beginning-F5.html I hope this gets through this time. Please note that, as you can see from the message string below, I have indeed been using the "Reply all" feature and regret that my message did not reach you originally Christine Jackson SFHG 397 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Christine Jackson <jackson_cf@yahoo.com> To: SFHG <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:39 AM Subject: Fw: [SFHG] Framer? I think perhaps the message was 'disallowed' by the server (excuse my lack to tech knowledge) because of the visual objects that had been automatically placed in it (not by me) - that is, the site info in addition to the actual URL which I had typed in myself. Let's try again Christine Jackson SFHG 397 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Christine Jackson <jackson_cf@yahoo.com> To: Margaret Major <joyesmaj@snap.net.nz>; "SFHG@rootsweb.com" <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Framer? Just for the info of those of you who did not receive my reply to Margaret, I did indeed "Reply all" - as with this message - but I did notice that it did not come back to me as a recipient..... so am trying again Christine SFHG 397 ________________________________ From: Christine Jackson <jackson_cf@yahoo.com> To: Margaret Major <joyesmaj@snap.net.nz>; "SFHG@rootsweb.com" <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Framer? Hi Margaret Here are entries from 2 websites I have bookmarked listing definitions of old occupations: 1) Framer - Constructed the wooden frames of buildings, also in chair making Old Occupations - F 2) Framer: made wooden furniture frames or picture frames. Also refers to a construction worker who built timber frames for buildings - Family Tree Researcher: Dictionary of Old Occupations - F Hope this helps Christine Jackson SFHG 397 ________________________________ From: Margaret Major via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 6:46 PM Subject: [SFHG] Framer? Is there someone with an interest in early rural occupations? In the burials on my Fittleworth parish CD: ' 9th Feb 1732, Henry, son of Henry Jay, framer' Was that a misspelling of farmer or was framer a village occupation? I have found a photograph of men putting strips of bark into a steel frame ready for firing in a kiln. Also I think faggots of wood were held in an iron circle in broom making. If frame making was common village craft, would the worker need a forge like a blacksmith or were there also types of frames made from wood? Margaret Major 5836 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Christine . I'm sure a lot of members will also be interested I the useful site you have given. Margaret --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Joe, I think that was the point that they were all trying to make. By replying to the sender as opposed to the list other members cannot see their suggestions thus leading an individual to thank everyone for something of which they are unaware. Very few users are experts in the whiles of lists and one just has to allow for that. Trevor 10402 > On 1 Jul 2015, at 12:17, Joe Austen via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > From: stenjoe@outlook.com > To: nomo.gunther@btinternet.com; grahamnoyce@uwclub.net > CC: sfhg@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [SFHG] Old occupations > Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:13:56 +1030 > > > > > Well that has been a total waste of time and data, my computer has downloaded 4 emails that tell me absolutely nothing, maybe some people need lessons in the relevance of what they are sending. Joe Austen 9934 in OZ > >> To: grahamnoyce@uwclub.net >> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:32:18 +0100 >> CC: SFHG@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Old occupations >> From: sfhg@rootsweb.com >> >> Nor me! >> >> Marianne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Graham Noyce via >> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:40 AM >> To: sfhg@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Old occupations >> >>> From this post, I gather that "Christine" has made a useful suggestion? >> >> Nothing seen by me? >> >> Graham >> On 01/07/2015 01:43, Margaret Major via wrote: >>> Thank you Christine . I'm sure a lot of members will also be interested I >>> the useful site you have given. >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My instinct is that 'framer' is a typo; but the parish register will need to be checked to make sure. I am currently planning a visit to WSRO in approx. 2 weeks, so I could check the register for you then, if you would like me to do that for you. The register will be on fiche, so it will only take a few minutes to check. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

Is there someone with an interest in early rural occupations? In the burials on my Fittleworth parish CD: ' 9th Feb 1732, Henry, son of Henry Jay, framer' Was that a misspelling of farmer or was framer a village occupation? I have found a photograph of men putting strips of bark into a steel frame ready for firing in a kiln. Also I think faggots of wood were held in an iron circle in broom making. If frame making was common village craft, would the worker need a forge like a blacksmith or were there also types of frames made from wood? Margaret Major 5836 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Nor me! Marianne -----Original Message----- From: Graham Noyce via Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 6:40 AM To: sfhg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] Old occupations >From this post, I gather that "Christine" has made a useful suggestion? Nothing seen by me? Graham On 01/07/2015 01:43, Margaret Major via wrote: > Thank you Christine . I'm sure a lot of members will also be interested I > the useful site you have given. > > Margaret > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nor me :( On 1 Jul 2015 06:46, "Graham Noyce via" <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > From this post, I gather that "Christine" has made a useful suggestion? > > Nothing seen by me? > > Graham > On 01/07/2015 01:43, Margaret Major via wrote: > > Thank you Christine . I'm sure a lot of members will also be interested I > > the useful site you have given. > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

From this post, I gather that "Christine" has made a useful suggestion? Nothing seen by me? Graham On 01/07/2015 01:43, Margaret Major via wrote: > Thank you Christine . I'm sure a lot of members will also be interested I > the useful site you have given. > > Margaret > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus