Hi Marian....me again !! There is a death for a Gladys Mary Wright in 1975 in Ledbury, birth year 1890....co-incidence ?? Cheers, Brian -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of e-mail marian.hopkins via Sent: 20 August 2015 12:28 To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Inquests? Hi all Yet another query looking for help with my elusive Wright family! I have obtained the death cert for John William Froggatt who d in Ledbury, Herefordshire in 1944. the cause of death is given as " shock from multiple injuries received during a collision with a motor lorry. Accidental death". This actually gives some evidence towards a family story that he died after being run down by an American lorry. The informant section on the cert is as follows: Certificate received from the Deputy Coroner for South Herefordshire. Inquest held 9th May 1944. Now to get back to my query! Can anyone put me in the right direction to get details etc of this inquest please? When his widow Edith Froggatt died in 1949 her will mentions her sister Gladys Mary Stainsby Wright. She is the last member of the family and still evades every search I can think of! Any thoughts on this would also be much appreciated! As always, many thanks for the help and advice given over the years! Kind Regards Marian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6086 / Virus Database: 4392/10471 - Release Date: 08/20/15

Hi all Yet another query looking for help with my elusive Wright family! I have obtained the death cert for John William Froggatt who d in Ledbury, Herefordshire in 1944. the cause of death is given as " shock from multiple injuries received during a collision with a motor lorry. Accidental death". This actually gives some evidence towards a family story that he died after being run down by an American lorry. The informant section on the cert is as follows: Certificate received from the Deputy Coroner for South Herefordshire. Inquest held 9th May 1944. Now to get back to my query! Can anyone put me in the right direction to get details etc of this inquest please? When his widow Edith Froggatt died in 1949 her will mentions her sister Gladys Mary Stainsby Wright. She is the last member of the family and still evades every search I can think of! Any thoughts on this would also be much appreciated! As always, many thanks for the help and advice given over the years! Kind Regards Marian

Here is the information I finally located on "Burges Nob Zone" which is actually "Bergen Op Zoom" a Listed II Cottage in Ashurst, Sussex. On The National Archives site I found a document of the following: THE ASHURST ESTATE, ASHURST AND WEST GRINSTEAD, SUSSEX Ref: SC01089 Within which is: Bergen-Op-Zoom, Horsebridge Common, Ashurst, West Sussex I also found the cottage as a listed II building on British Listed Buildings:Bergen-Op-Zoom Cottage - Ashurst - West Sussex - England | View on: www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk Preview by Yahoo I hope this clears up my question and answer to everyone who replied. Donna

Hi Donna A bit of a long shot but could 'Burges Nob Zone' be anything to do with Burgess Hill which was named after the Burgeys family. The Burgeys name comes from 'bourgeois' - inhabitant of a borough. The name of John Burgeys appeared on the Subsidy Rolls in the 13th and 14th centuries.    Ashurst near Steyning is about 8 miles from Burgess Hill. Hope that is of some help Liz Stilwell      Sussex  -------- Original message -------- From: Donna Casey via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Date: 15/08/2015 17:48 (GMT+00:00) To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SFHG] An Ashurst Place? - Burges Nob Zone? Does anyone know if there is a place/farm/building in/near Ashurst which is called Burges Nob Zone? or something similar?Donna Tillinghast CaseyMichigan, USA The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know if there is a place/farm/building in/near Ashurst which is called Burges Nob Zone? or something similar?Donna Tillinghast CaseyMichigan, USA The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.

hello listers a bit late this month but the meeting tomorrow Tuesday 11 august is at 1x30 st Andrews church hall the subject is publicans and pubs you like. Christine God Bless

Thanks - this makes sense. Would you believe we had this sort of thing into the early 1960s in the small town I lived in in Australia? We didn't have ashes but we had cans that were collected every week from the 'dunny down the back'. I was always afraid (as a child) that I would be sitting there with my behind exposed when the 'dunny-man' came round to remove the can from underneath me. Cordelia 14526 On 7 August 2015 at 17:34, Dave <Dave@thejupps.net> wrote: > This came up in my tree many years ago. I found the answer from a > gentleman, > who would now be about 130 years of age, who came from Yorkshire. He still > recalled someone that did the job - it was not a pleasant one! > > At the times when toilets were outside units, often at the bottom of the > gardens, it was common to put 'ashes' over the 'soils'. The toilets, > particularly within towns, backed onto an alley way with easy access. There > was a rear trap door to the toilet to collect the soils. It was the job of > the 'collector of ashes' to go around on a weekly basis and do his job!! > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf > Of Cordelia Hull via > Sent: 07 August 2015 05:13 > To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp > Subject: [SFHG] collector of ashes? > > I have in my tree a William Heasman in Slaugham in 1851 whose occupation is > listed as 'collector of ashes' (at least, I think it is that). > > Can anyone enlighten me as to what this job might entail? > > The closest I have found on websites listing old occupations is 'ashman' > (dustman) and I know that garbage bins are called dustbins in England, so I > presume this guy might have been a garbage collector? > > If so, why 'ashes'? (and why 'dust' for that matter !) > > Is that all people threw out in the days before today's mega-packaging? Or > were ashes collected separately for some special purpose like soap-making? > > Cordelia > 14526 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > >

>From memory and from experience, households used to manage their affairs with either an earth closet or an ash closet. It depended, of course, on which medium was the more readily available. The last seen by me was in Norfolk, a three-seater, the third for Junior being at a much lower level. No problems for the country dweller, but for the town dweller....gardez l'eau as in "gar de loo". Pedestrians were kept 'on their toes' With horses everywhere too, crossing-sweepers were kept busy,. Who's read "The Specialist" ? Martin (10977) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I have in my tree a William Heasman in Slaugham in 1851 whose occupation is listed as 'collector of ashes' (at least, I think it is that). Can anyone enlighten me as to what this job might entail? The closest I have found on websites listing old occupations is 'ashman' (dustman) and I know that garbage bins are called dustbins in England, so I presume this guy might have been a garbage collector? If so, why 'ashes'? (and why 'dust' for that matter !) Is that all people threw out in the days before today's mega-packaging? Or were ashes collected separately for some special purpose like soap-making? Cordelia 14526

According to a television programme many years ago relating to a London house owned by an American who ran it as it had been run in past times only he was the only occupant. He showed people round and explained how it worked both upstairs and downstairs. He made the point that people then burned all their rubbish and so ash and dust were the only 'garbage'. Judy Excell -----Original Message----- From: Cordelia Hull via Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:05 AM To: Dave Cc: SFHG SxFamHXGrp Subject: Re: [SFHG] collector of ashes? Thanks - this makes sense. Would you believe we had this sort of thing into the early 1960s in the small town I lived in in Australia? We didn't have ashes but we had cans that were collected every week from the 'dunny down the back'. I was always afraid (as a child) that I would be sitting there with my behind exposed when the 'dunny-man' came round to remove the can from underneath me. Cordelia 14526 On 7 August 2015 at 17:34, Dave <Dave@thejupps.net> wrote: > This came up in my tree many years ago. I found the answer from a > gentleman, > who would now be about 130 years of age, who came from Yorkshire. He still > recalled someone that did the job - it was not a pleasant one! > > At the times when toilets were outside units, often at the bottom of the > gardens, it was common to put 'ashes' over the 'soils'. The toilets, > particularly within towns, backed onto an alley way with easy access. > There > was a rear trap door to the toilet to collect the soils. It was the job of > the 'collector of ashes' to go around on a weekly basis and do his job!! > > Dave >

This came up in my tree many years ago. I found the answer from a gentleman, who would now be about 130 years of age, who came from Yorkshire. He still recalled someone that did the job - it was not a pleasant one! At the times when toilets were outside units, often at the bottom of the gardens, it was common to put 'ashes' over the 'soils'. The toilets, particularly within towns, backed onto an alley way with easy access. There was a rear trap door to the toilet to collect the soils. It was the job of the 'collector of ashes' to go around on a weekly basis and do his job!! Dave -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cordelia Hull via Sent: 07 August 2015 05:13 To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp Subject: [SFHG] collector of ashes? I have in my tree a William Heasman in Slaugham in 1851 whose occupation is listed as 'collector of ashes' (at least, I think it is that). Can anyone enlighten me as to what this job might entail? The closest I have found on websites listing old occupations is 'ashman' (dustman) and I know that garbage bins are called dustbins in England, so I presume this guy might have been a garbage collector? If so, why 'ashes'? (and why 'dust' for that matter !) Is that all people threw out in the days before today's mega-packaging? Or were ashes collected separately for some special purpose like soap-making? Cordelia 14526 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This seems generally important to me. Judy Excell On Behalf Of News from the Federation of Family History Societies Sent: 29 July 2015 15:33 Send In Your Census Shopping List Ever since 1841, the census has created comprehensive snapshots of information about people living in the British Isles. Each census is a vital source for family historians - including those in a 100 years' time who will want to find out about us and our contemporaries. The next census in England and Wales will take place in 2021. To help prepare for this, the Office for National Statistics is asking the public which types of information they think should be included. It is important to focus on details that we need to know about each person but were not fully covered in 2011, such as: Names in full, including maiden names Full place of birth - i.e. village, town or city; county (or local equivalent) and country. The census consultation website is only a click away. https://consultations.ons.gov.uk/ce This opportunity is open to everyone, whether individuals or organisations. You can answer as many or as few of the questions as you wish. Don't delay in having your say - the closing date is Thursday 27 August 2015. The Federation has already submitted its own response to the consultation. You are welcome to include material from it, if you wish, when you send in your own response. Sent on behalf of Francis Howcutt FFHS Archives Liaison Officer www.ffhs.org.uk

Please be very careful with Ancestry's "England & Wales Death Index 2007 to 2013". It is NOT the GRO Death Indexes. It is a compilation by "GreyPower" that appears to have been made from obituary notices plus some funeral directors' records. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

Doubtful. It is about British slave owners in the 1830s. When putting in a surname it may be necessary to tick the box for all places rather than Resident in the islands etc. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Georgina Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 6:02 PM To: Judy Excell ; SFHG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SFHG] Slave Ownership Does it show the names of any people from the South Coast who were taken forcibly by Berbers etc? Georgina 10821 On Fri Jul 24 08:59:33 CDT 2015, Judy Excell via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Anyone who has been watching the programmes on the compensation > paid to British slave owners may like the reference to the search > of the database. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/search/ > > Read the advice about searching. It is possible just to put in a > surname and hope for No results. Judy Excell > -------------------------------

Anyone who has been watching the programmes on the compensation paid to British slave owners may like the reference to the search of the database. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/search/ Read the advice about searching. It is possible just to put in a surname and hope for No results. Judy Excell

Thank you for that Marion. Probate was granted just a couple of days ago on a late uncle's will, so that means that some Government I T systems actually work quite efficiently. Graham On 24/07/2015 08:37, Marion Woolgar via wrote: > As far as I am aware, GRO Death Registrations for England & Wales are only > available online up to 2007. You can obtain more recent information but > only by making a personal visit to one of the seven repositories listed on > the GRO web site at https://www.gov.uk/research-family-history . > > However, if the deceased left a Will or if Letters of Administration were > obtained, you can search the Probate Registry web site at > https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills and the results will show the > date of death. The search is free of charge. This site is up-to-date, so > probates granted this month will be shown. > > Best wishes, > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > SFHG Member No: 3323 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Ancestry have a section titled 'England and Wales Death Index 2007 to 2013' Cheers, Brian -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marion Woolgar via Sent: 24 July 2015 08:37 To: michael.green72@btinternet.com; SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] Modern records As far as I am aware, GRO Death Registrations for England & Wales are only available online up to 2007. You can obtain more recent information but only by making a personal visit to one of the seven repositories listed on the GRO web site at https://www.gov.uk/research-family-history . However, if the deceased left a Will or if Letters of Administration were obtained, you can search the Probate Registry web site at https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills and the results will show the date of death. The search is free of charge. This site is up-to-date, so probates granted this month will be shown. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10294 - Release Date: 07/23/15 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10282 - Release Date: 07/21/15

As far as I am aware, GRO Death Registrations for England & Wales are only available online up to 2007. You can obtain more recent information but only by making a personal visit to one of the seven repositories listed on the GRO web site at https://www.gov.uk/research-family-history . However, if the deceased left a Will or if Letters of Administration were obtained, you can search the Probate Registry web site at https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills and the results will show the date of death. The search is free of charge. This site is up-to-date, so probates granted this month will be shown. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

I found but have now lost a web-site which has details of UK death registrations for recent years (e.g. 2012). Can anyone help please?

Dear Listers I've just discovered that Ancestry has the Land Tax Redemption records for 1798 (and it looks like some for 1799 and 1800). They seem to cover the whole country, including Sussex. Well worth a look - I've got a whole load of hits! Neal