Hi All I would like to take this opportunity to publically say a huge thank you to Marion Woolgar and Jackie Rowntree for all the info they supplied! You have both given me so much help and info and of course new avenues to explore! So thank you both very much it is really appreciated. Can I just say to anyone out there struggling with a brick wall - don't be like me! For years I hunted for my elusive family and didn't have the courage to ask my questions! I thought everyone would be too experienced and busy to respond to my novice queries - how wrong I was! I have been overwhelmed by the responses, knowledge, help and advice I have received over the years from all the great members we have here in SHFG. So don't be concerned about asking 'basic' questions! - I must have asked so many that must have made people smile over the years but all were answered! I must admit that I have found out why the GRO couldn't find any trace of Ruth Barnett from the info I supplied - yes you have guessed it! I forgot one of the golden rules of genealogy... names are often spelt differently or transcribed wrongly ete etc! I will now attempt to obtain the cert for Ruth Burnett so fingers crossed! Wishing you all a good weekend and thanks again Jackie and Marion! Kind regards Marian

From: Margaret Major [mailto:joyesmaj@snap.net.nz] Sent: Friday, 2 October 2015 11:06 a.m. To: 'sfhg@rootsweb.com' <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Subject: CERTIFICATES Dear Judy I have a good number of certificates, details of which I could gradually send to you. I may have already sent some however. I know you must be very busy with the site , but when you have the time, can you tell me the type and names of any of JOYES, DOWNER or TOBITT you already have please? Please accept my sincere sympathy in your recent bereavement. Margaret Major #5836 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Dear Judy I have a good number of certificates, details of which I could gradually send to you. I may have already sent some however. I know you must be very busy with the site , but when you have the time, can you tell me the type and names of any of JOYES, DOWNER or TOBITT you already have please? Please accept my sincere sympathy in your recent bereavement. Margaret Major #5836 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Does anyone know if it is possible to find a list of monks who inhabited the Cowfold monastery during the 1920s and beyond? Family tradition has it that a son of my mother's great aunt became a monk at Cowfold. She had three surviving sons but there's only one for whom I can find no marriage or offspring, so I assume it was he who became the monk: Albert Eric Silvester born in 1901. I would like to: a) confirm that the rumour is true (because so many of my family traditions have so far been proved false !!) and if true, b) discover how long he stayed at the monastery and whether he died there etc. Any ideas? Cordelia Hull 14526

I don't know why but when I send emails from this account it eliminates spaces between words etc. In this case it eliminated the space between the 2 links which are East Sussex RO http://www.thekeep.info/help-2/keep-leaflets-guidance-notes/ and West Sussex RO https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/leisure-recreation-and-community/history-and-heritage/west-sussex-record-office/record-office-sources-and-collections/newspapers-record-office-collection/ Christine Jackson SFHG 397 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Christine Jackson via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> To: "chris@g4bue.com" <chris@g4bue.com>; "SFHG@rootsweb.com" <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Newspaper Archives Hi ChrisI have recently tried finding online old newspapers for Sussex and the coverage is not at all good in either FMP or British Newspaper Archive - I think they are the same thing as FMP owns BNA. Instead try looking at the online newspaper guides provided by WSRO & ESRO which tell you which newspapers are available, for which years & where they may be found. Links to the sites are : http://www.thekeep.info/help-2/keep-leaflets-guidance-notes/https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/leisure-recreation-and-community/history-and-heritage/west-sussex-record-office/record-office-sources-and-collections/newspapers-record-office-collection/ Good luck Christine JacksonSFHG 397 From: Chris Page via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:24 AM Subject: [SFHG] Newspaper Archives Advice please. I want to subscribe to one of the on-line newspaper archive sites but am undecided which one will be best for me. Most of my ancestors come from Kent and Sussex. I have looked at Find My Past, Genes Reunited and the British Newspaper Archive and wonder if members can advise as to which one is the best for Kent and Sussex, or is there a better site I haven't found? Thanks and regards Chris Page (SFHG 5571) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi ChrisI have recently tried finding online old newspapers for Sussex and the coverage is not at all good in either FMP or British Newspaper Archive - I think they are the same thing as FMP owns BNA. Instead try looking at the online newspaper guides provided by WSRO & ESRO which tell you which newspapers are available, for which years & where they may be found. Links to the sites are : http://www.thekeep.info/help-2/keep-leaflets-guidance-notes/https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/leisure-recreation-and-community/history-and-heritage/west-sussex-record-office/record-office-sources-and-collections/newspapers-record-office-collection/ Good luck Christine JacksonSFHG 397 From: Chris Page via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:24 AM Subject: [SFHG] Newspaper Archives Advice please. I want to subscribe to one of the on-line newspaper archive sites but am undecided which one will be best for me.  Most of my ancestors come from Kent and Sussex.  I have looked at Find My Past, Genes Reunited and the British Newspaper Archive and wonder if members can advise as to which one is the best for Kent and Sussex, or is there a better site I haven't found? Thanks and regards Chris Page (SFHG 5571) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Chris, I agree with Tony, and what is useful with the British Newspaper Archive, although time-consuming, is that you can do your look-ups beforehand to see if there is anything and then subscribe afterwards to check it out completely. I have a year's subscription as there was a cheap offer going last year. But before that, I took out a monthly subscription every now and again, which was only about £10. You need to do it when you're sure that you've got time to actually do the research. I assure you that it's really interesting to read "old" newspapers. If you're "lucky" enough to have an ancestor who got into trouble with the law, there are sometimes very lengthy descriptions of the offender and the crime. The court cases are very entertaining in their details - recording "laughs" during the trial etc... Even the adverts are worth looking at! Births, death and marriages are often recorded in the local papers for "ordinary" people - not just the high society ones, like in the National papers. I'd advise you to give it a try! Good luck! Mary Connaughton 13526 --- L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été vérifiée par le logiciel antivirus Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Dear Cordelia, Why don't you just ask the monastery? I presume that you are referring to the Carthusian monastery at Partridge Green (next door to Cowfold). If so, the Prior is Very Rev John Babeau and his e-mail address is john.babeau@chartreuse.info Good luck, Bob Waters 8286. > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 20:19:25 +1000 > To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFHG] Cowfold monastery records? > From: sfhg@rootsweb.com > > Does anyone know if it is possible to find a list of monks who inhabited > the Cowfold monastery during the 1920s and beyond? > > Family tradition has it that a son of my mother's great aunt became a monk > at Cowfold. She had three surviving sons but there's only one for whom I > can find no marriage or offspring, so I assume it was he who became the > monk: Albert Eric Silvester born in 1901. > > I would like to: > a) confirm that the rumour is true (because so many of my family traditions > have so far been proved false !!) and if true, > b) discover how long he stayed at the monastery and whether he died there > etc. > > Any ideas? > > Cordelia Hull > 14526 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, FMP and BNA are very different - FMP is a variation on FamilySearch and Ancestry and a useful starting point to make connections and find certificates, while BNA is a comprehensive newspaper archive. I have found BNA extremely useful for information about places, events and people at different times and the archive is being added to weekly. Searching can be frustrating but often very rewarding. Hope this helps. Tony 9961 Now in paperback as well as e-book: Views from the Hills - an illustrated country diary from North Pembrokeshire http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1512261785 MORE BOOKS by Tony Holkham at www.tonyholkham.co.uk On 30 September 2015 at 09:24, Chris Page via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Advice please. > > I want to subscribe to one of the on-line newspaper archive sites but am > undecided which one will be best for me. Most of my ancestors come from > Kent and Sussex. > > I have looked at Find My Past, Genes Reunited and the British Newspaper > Archive and wonder if members can advise as to which one is the best for > Kent and Sussex, or is there a better site I haven't found? > > Thanks and regards > > Chris Page > (SFHG 5571) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Advice please. I want to subscribe to one of the on-line newspaper archive sites but am undecided which one will be best for me. Most of my ancestors come from Kent and Sussex. I have looked at Find My Past, Genes Reunited and the British Newspaper Archive and wonder if members can advise as to which one is the best for Kent and Sussex, or is there a better site I haven't found? Thanks and regards Chris Page (SFHG 5571)

Dear All More in the nature of prompts. If you have many to send in then you may care to put headings in a spreadsheet. Also if many then divide them into the B M D. At present, although I have put certificate information into SPI, I have not added it to the online Data Archive. Looking forward to hearing from you. Judy Excell Birth certificates. Full Name of child, Date and Place of Birth, Boy or Girl, Full Name of father, Occupation of father, Full Name of mother, and maiden name, Name and description of informant, Registration District and Sub-district, Date of registration, Registrar Name after registration (if any) It might also be useful to have the number and the date of the copy. (Name and SFHG number to be shown with the certificate information OPTIONAL) If the event is outside Sussex for a Sussex person then please add a note to the data so that it may be passed to the 'Strays' Index in due course. Death certificates. Full name, When and where died, Male or Female, Age, Occupation, Cause of death, Certified by (if stated), Name and Description of informant, Registration District and Sub-district, Date of registration, Registrar It might also be useful to have the number and the date of the copy. (Name and SFHG number to be shown with the certificate information OPTIONAL) If the event is outside Sussex for a Sussex person then please add a note to the data so that it may be passed to the 'Strays' Index in due course. Marriage certificates. Number and Date of Marriage Registration District, Church/Chapel, Parish, County Groom : Name, Age, Condition, Occupation, Residence Father : Name, Occupation Bride : Name, Age, Condition, Occupation, Residence Father : Name, Occupation By (Banns/Licence) Registrar : Minister/Clergyman : Witnesses : It might also be useful to have the number and the date of the copy. (Name and SFHG number to be shown with the certificate information OPTIONAL) If the event is outside Sussex for a Sussex person then please add a note to the data so that it may be passed to the 'Strays' Index in due course. Researching a particular Sussex name? Why not ask for all that SPI holds? -----Original Message----- From: KAREN TONKS Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 2:54 PM To: Judy Excell Cc: sfhg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] Unwanted Birth Certificate Hi, I have a couple I can do that for. I don't suppose you have a word or excel document already set up we can just drop the information into? Cheers Karen

Just a quick note for future researchers of the surname AYLING. I have posted an extensive re-examination of "The Ayling Story" by Kenneth Ayling at http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.ayling/164/mb.ashx, including providing links to all source material he referenced and correcting a number of errors in the lineage he described in the third part of his paper. This is probably the first update to this AYLING family information in 30 years. I am also doing research updates and posting at http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.ayling/mb.ashx. Thanks. Chris Ayling, Cranbrook, BC, Canada --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Oh yes please can we have a drop-in form! That would be so useful, and standardise the whole process. I've got loads of certificates I could list. Georgina Colwell 10821 On 28/09/2015 14:54, KAREN TONKS via wrote: > Hi, > > I have a couple I can do that for. > > I don't suppose you have a word or excel document already set up we can just drop the information into? > > Cheers > > Karen > >> On 28 Sep 2015, at 10:39, Judy Excell via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> >> Dear All >> >> The Sussex People Index is eager to receive the data from Birth, Marriage, >> Death certificates relating to Sussex to be entered into SPI. >> Please do not scan the certificate but copy out the data as text and email >> as an attachment; you can read it better than I can. Please include >> registrars, witnesses, informants, addresses - in fact everything. >> >> Judy Excell >> SPI >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Lee via >> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 7:30 AM >> To: Christine Jackson >> Cc: sfhg@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Unwanted Birth Certificate >> >> Dear All >> >> If it’s legal to pass on unwanted certificates, is it legal to pass on >> wanted certificates? That is, can all certificates be shared with other >> people? Most family history researchers do not need original certificates >> but only the data included in them. >> >> Robert Lee >> >> Melbourne >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Georgina Colwell www.musicair.co.uk

Dear All If it’s legal to pass on unwanted certificates, is it legal to pass on wanted certificates? That is, can all certificates be shared with other people? Most family history researchers do not need original certificates but only the data included in them. Robert Lee Melbourne > On 24 Sep 2015, at 8:58 am, Christine Jackson via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Hi Karen > You may wish to register your unwanted certificates, for free, at Certificate Exchange - http://www.certificate-exchange.co.uk/ > "This web site provides a free service for genealogists and family historians who would like to offer their unwanted BMD certificates, wills or medal rolls to other family historians who are researching ancestors with the same name. Listing your spare birth certificates, marriage certificates or death certificates is completely free! All we ask is that you register with the site in order to list an unwanted certificate or to make an enquiry about a particular unwanted certificate. This means that people can enquire about your certificates whilst ensuring your privacy" > > Christine JacksonSFHG 397 > > From: Karen Lynas via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> > To: "sfhg@rootsweb.com" <sfhg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 4:56 PM > Subject: [SFHG] Unwanted Birth Certificate > > I have recently obtained a copy of a Birth Certificate from the General > Register Office for Herbert Sargent, b 3rd May 1845 in Northiam, son of > George and Caroline (nee Baker) Sargent. > If this is of any use to anybody, send your address, and I will post it on, > or I can scan and email. > > Alternatively, is there a repository within SFHG for such certificates? > > I was hoping this would be for my gt gt gt grandfather Herbert Sargent who > was, according to the census returns, born between 1843 - 1845 in Beckley, > as this is the only likely birth registered around that time according to > BMD. > > Can anyone tell me if it was common for births not to be registered in > those times? > > Karen Lynas > 14897 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have a couple I can do that for. I don't suppose you have a word or excel document already set up we can just drop the information into? Cheers Karen > On 28 Sep 2015, at 10:39, Judy Excell via <sfhg@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Dear All > > The Sussex People Index is eager to receive the data from Birth, Marriage, > Death certificates relating to Sussex to be entered into SPI. > Please do not scan the certificate but copy out the data as text and email > as an attachment; you can read it better than I can. Please include > registrars, witnesses, informants, addresses - in fact everything. > > Judy Excell > SPI > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lee via > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 7:30 AM > To: Christine Jackson > Cc: sfhg@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Unwanted Birth Certificate > > Dear All > > If it’s legal to pass on unwanted certificates, is it legal to pass on > wanted certificates? That is, can all certificates be shared with other > people? Most family history researchers do not need original certificates > but only the data included in them. > > Robert Lee > > Melbourne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am resending this as it did not appear to go through first time to the group -----Original Message----- From: Jackie Rowntree [mailto:jar26@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 2:21 PM To: 'e-mail marian.hopkins' Subject: RE: [SFHG] Elusive Stainsby/Wright Family Hi Marian I found the following on Durham Website Marriages, Durham District Record Number: 305182.1 Location: Pittington Church: St. Laurence Denomination: Anglican 13 Apr 1857 Robert Barnett (widower, labourer), age 29, of Belmont, son of Thomas Barnett (labourer) married Frances Davison (spinster), age 21, of Belmont, daughter of William Davison (pitman), by banns Witnesses: William Davison, Joseph Davison Robert was Christened 24 Sep 1826 West Rownton Yorks Father Thomas Mother Margaret His first wife was Ann Newton married Dec Q 1847 Stokesley Yorkshire Vol 24 P 633 Ruth was Christened 19 Apr 1850 Shincliffe Durham Father Robert Mother Ann Thomas Barnett Married Margaret Taylor 31 Dec 1825 West Rownton I found some of this on Family search some on Findmypast Once I got started I just kept going Regards Jackie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of e-mail marian.hopkins via Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 12:30 PM To: sfhg Subject: [SFHG] Elusive Stainsby/Wright Family Hi all Yes it's that elusive Stainsby/Wright family again! Having found all my 'missing' children ( thanks to SFHG members!) and despite name changes etc I have followed their journey from 1881 onwards. I then decided to trace their maternal line - the formidable Ruth! She would be much easier to trace than her husband I thought in my naivety! In 1971 22year old Joseph Stainsby m 21 year old Ruth Barnett in Darlington, Durham. Her father Robert Barnett is recorded as a labourer. Ruth d in 1940 aged 90 and is buried in Seaford, Sussex, so far so good I thought. I sent off for her birth cert to confirm her details because in the 1851C her mother is down as Ann and in the 1861C Frances is recorded (if in fact it is the same family!). You have guessed it! The GRO refunded my money because there was no trace of her with the info I supplied! If anyone has any ideas where I should look now for info on Ruth and her family I would be very grateful! As always, many thanks for your help! Kind regards Marian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think that a little more and detailed information is needed to make progress with your problem. For example: 1 They married in 1971 - was that a typo for 1871 perhaps? Or was it some other date? Where did the marriage take place? 2 Ruth died in 1940 aged 90. I've just checked the GRO indexes for all four quarters of 1940 and I can't see any entry for a Ruth STAINSBY. On what date did she die and where exactly did she die? Do you have documentary evidence for her death, or is it a family recollection? 3 She is buried in Seaford, Sussex. Is that in the churchyard of the parish church, or in a civil cemetery? Are any of her family buried with her? If so, whom? 4 When & where did her husband die? Where is her husband buried? 5 Assuming that Ruth STAINSBY nee BARNETT was born in 1850 and died in 1940, have you identified her on every Census up to and including 1911 and is her age on each one consistent with a birth in 1850. Where does she say she was born and is that consistently stated on all those census returns? Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

Hi all Yes it's that elusive Stainsby/Wright family again! Having found all my 'missing' children ( thanks to SFHG members!) and despite name changes etc I have followed their journey from 1881 onwards. I then decided to trace their maternal line - the formidable Ruth! She would be much easier to trace than her husband I thought in my naivety! In 1971 22year old Joseph Stainsby m 21 year old Ruth Barnett in Darlington, Durham. Her father Robert Barnett is recorded as a labourer. Ruth d in 1940 aged 90 and is buried in Seaford, Sussex, so far so good I thought. I sent off for her birth cert to confirm her details because in the 1851C her mother is down as Ann and in the 1861C Frances is recorded (if in fact it is the same family!). You have guessed it! The GRO refunded my money because there was no trace of her with the info I supplied! If anyone has any ideas where I should look now for info on Ruth and her family I would be very grateful! As always, many thanks for your help! Kind regards Marian

Dear All The Sussex People Index is eager to receive the data from Birth, Marriage, Death certificates relating to Sussex to be entered into SPI. Please do not scan the certificate but copy out the data as text and email as an attachment; you can read it better than I can. Please include registrars, witnesses, informants, addresses - in fact everything. Judy Excell SPI -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lee via Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 7:30 AM To: Christine Jackson Cc: sfhg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] Unwanted Birth Certificate Dear All If it’s legal to pass on unwanted certificates, is it legal to pass on wanted certificates? That is, can all certificates be shared with other people? Most family history researchers do not need original certificates but only the data included in them. Robert Lee Melbourne

Marion, Thank you so much for all this information - I'll be working through it over the next few days & weeks most definitely. Yes, if you could forward the page, re: the Wills, off-List I would appreciate it. I do recall a mention of Cowdray somewhere - must go carefully through my research. Regards & Thanks, Lynne From: Marion Woolgar <listmail008@btinternet.com> To: 'Lynne Howick' <ivysdaughter@yahoo.com.au>; SFHG@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2015, 18:12 Subject: RE: [SFHG] HOWICK / RELPH or RELF In addition to the suggestion from Christine Jackson re Wisborough Green, you might like to take a look at the parish of Fernhurst (sometimes spelt Farnhurst).  The Sussex Marriage Index shows a large cluster of marriages there (plus some associated Licences) and they are regularly spaced from the mid-16th century to the early 19th Century.  The Fernhurst baptisms & burials are on the SFHG Frontis site. There are also eight wills proved in Chichester Archdeaconry up to 1800, including three from Fernhurst and two from Wisborough Green.  I can send you a copy of the page off-List if you would like to have it and the wills have been filmed by the LDS, so you ought to be able to view them at your local Family History Centre.  The Wiki on the FamilySearch web site will provide extra details.  You will find more HOWICK wills that were proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury pre-1858 and these can be found on Ancestry and also on the TNA web site. As you have firm evidence that your family lived in Easebourne at one time, it is possible that they lived on land within one of the  various Cowdray Manors which had extensive holdings in that part of Sussex.  These records can be a little difficult to use, but they are an extra source of information to use in conjunction with parish register entries.  The Cowdray volumes have been deposited at WSRO and most have now been filmed.  Before 1733, the records are written in Latin except for the Commonwealth period of 1649 to 1660.  However, there is often a contemporaneous surname index within each Court Book that will direct you to particular folios and it is comparatively easy to pick out names and places within a particular paragraph.  I have used these records in the past to sort out research problems relating to my husband's family who also lived in this part of Sussex. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323