Hello., I have just extended my research to include the YOUNG and NORMAN families living in the Mayfield/Frant area mid 19th century and earlier. Any help would be much appreciated; more than happy to share the little that I have. With many thanks. Robin.

>To Chris Hammond and others, "Georgian Lewes 1714-1830, The Heyday of a County Town" by Colin Brent, 1993. Published by Colin Brent Books, 9 Southdown Avenue, Lewes , BN7 1EL ISBN 0 9522423 0 3 I have found this to be a most valuable book as it describes the evolution of Lewes as a County Town and has a chapter dealing in some detail with the rather complicated religious history of the various chapels. My copy of the book was purchased at the School Hill Bookshop (books@schoolhill.co.uk) when I visited the town in 1995 to find out more about where my g grandfather and his family had lived in the surrounding area. The other book I mentioned, "Lewes Past" by Helen Poole, 2000, published by Phillimore . ISBN 1 86077 127 0 is also valuable with its coverage up to almost the present day and its valuable photographs. Unfortunately for Chris a quick scan of both books does not bring up an information about the Hammond business although the name is mention of a Nathan Hammond, a baker (apparently a Whig Dissenter) around 1820. Hope this is of interest. Bryan 11480 > >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:13:25 -0000 >From: "Chris Hammond" <cm.hammond@ntlworld.com> >Subject: [SFHG] Colin Brent in his book Georgian Lewes 1714-1830 >To: <sfhg@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <007f01c86cd1$6b2683b0$45610f56@chris94b7a7dea> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Listers. >Could Brian Pannett (his email dated 11 Feb) let listers know the details of >this book, ie publishers, date etc. >I would be most interested in obtaining or borrowing a copy as the Hammond's >had a business (brazing, ironmongery etc) on the High street at Lewes >certainly from the 1841 census onwards and I am keen to find out about this >in earlier times. >Thanks Chris Hammond SFHG 7451 > >

Hi, Does anybody have access to Ancestry.ca? If you have and are able to do a look-up for me I will forward details. Alan 10469

Hi Wyn, Before someone corrects me :-) I just wanted to say that Ancestry carries the indexes for some Naturalization records and after finding out the details you would have to write to the court requesting a copy of the file. But at least I could find the details for you. Debbie

Hi Alan, I would be happy to do that for you. Debbie 10622 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:45 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Canada Hi, Does anybody have access to Ancestry.ca? If you have and are able to do a look-up for me I will forward details. Alan 10469 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wyn, The first place to look is Ancestry. Ancestry carries some Naturalization records from 1907 - 1924. These records often give a wealth of information. I have a full subscription to Ancestry. If you would like me to look your uncles' details up for you I would be happy to. Just send me the information. They may also have applied after that for a US passport and some of these records are also on Ancestry. The Naturalization records from September 1906 offer the most information. Applicants were required to fill in the following: age, occupation, personal description, date & place of birth, citizenship, present & last foreign addresses, ports of embarkation & entry, name of vessel or other means of conveyance, date of arrival in the US,; also included were the spouse & children's full names with their respective dates and places of birth & residence at the date of the document. There were 2 major processes involved, 1. Declaration of Intent 2. The final paper, the Petition. This was to be followed by a Certificate of Naturalization. Prior to 1906 an alien could be naturalized in any court in the county where he was residing. Many of these records are 'hidden' in piles of other archival info in court houses. Some courts will have indexed records and others do not. The LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City has copies of millions of Naturalization records from all over the US, on microfilms. Copies of the films can be borrowed through Family History Centers. Let me know the details of your Great Uncles and I'll take a look for you. Debbie 10622 -----Original Message----- From: wyn.burgess [mailto:wyn.burgess@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:42 AM To: 'Deborah Montgomerie'; SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] US naturalization Hello Debbie In your reply to Frank re his Chappell ancestors you stated "If he had applied for Naturalization we would have struck gold but I can't find a record of him." Can you tell me more about this - I have two Great Uncles who emigrated to America in the late 1800's, I know they became Naturalized Americans from census records but would like to find out more about this. I also know the years when this happened. Can you give me any advice as to where to find out more!!!!! Wyn Burgess 3813

Hard to know whether there is any connection - there is no Ellen in the rather limited info that I have for the Albourne King family which I've looked at. I've noticed that there were quite a few King families distributed around Sussex at that time - and I suspect that was also probably true for Hampshire - so the chances of a connection look a bit slim and very uncertain.. By way of explanation, I e-mailed in response to Mark Milton's listing of King amongst his surname interests because it seems very likely that my Louisa King and his Richard King lived in the same village - although separated by a couple of generations. I was e-mailing on the off-chance that Mark might have a descendant tree for his Richard King showing Louisa as one of his descendants - but it appears not. Mark correctly points out that I will have to patiently trace Louisa's ancestry back a couple of generations before any connection with Richard King (if it's there) emerges. Richard Evans Membership 12329 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hammond" <cm.hammond@ntlworld.com> To: <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:24 PM Subject: [SFHG] KING family > Hallo Listers, > Further to Richard Evans' and Mark Milton's emails could I enter the > 'King' > discussion? > I have an Ellen King who married my great grandfather John Hammond in 1866 > on the Isle of Wight but I have no other details as to here birthplace. > Unfortunately, she died in childbirth in 1868. the child John Ernest > Hammond > survived. His father came from Bognor and remarried in 1872 to Georgiana > Waynforth. > Do either of you see any connection here? > Chris Hammond, SFHG 7451 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: > 10/02/2008 12:21 > >

Hi list If I recall, someone asked about a brewery in Lewes; perhaps this was the reference? Deeds of The Brewers Arms, 91 High Street, Lewes Abstracts at a2a were made in 1838 for the auction of the property; an earlier abstract in 1821 shows that James Wood in his will of 1805 let the Brewers Arms to his son John with support legacies to his wife (she died in 1820); the only record I can see prior to that is from about 1732, the year in which Francis Blaker married Sarah Dobson and 1766 the year of his death; between those dates he sold the property to John Batchelor. However, you may be referring to 33 West Street, Lewes In 1874, this property, a beer shop owned by John Reed, was conveyed to Edward Monk, brewer; the language is a bit convoluted, but it would appear that Monke was at that time the owner of Bear Brewery. If this information is useful and you want greater detail, please advise. Rod Blaker 12488

Hello Debbie In your reply to Frank re his Chappell ancestors you stated "If he had applied for Naturalization we would have struck gold but I can't find a record of him." Can you tell me more about this - I have two Great Uncles who emigrated to America in the late 1800's, I know they became Naturalized Americans from census records but would like to find out more about this. I also know the years when this happened. Can you give me any advice as to where to find out more!!!!! Wyn Burgess 3813

Hi Sandra, Presumably you have the marriage certificate from the GRO? Try checking the local record wither at the church or local Register Office. There may have been an error made when sending in the copies to the Registrar. Michael> From: sandrapayne@cytanet.com.cy> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:41:34 +0200> Subject: [SFHG] WALDER> > Dear All> According to his Marriage Certificate my gt.gt.grandfather David WALDER was born in c.1819. Subsequent sightings confirm that he was born in Lindfield. The only David in the area and of the correct age can be found in the1841 Census. The Head of the household is Jesse Walder together with his wife Martha and several younger children. David's eldest daughter was named Martha, a Martha Walder (not the daughter) was present at the death of David's wife Selina (Guy). David's Marriage Certificate however gives his father as another David. What is the likelihood of there being a clerical error on the Certificate? Obviously possible but was this a frequent occurrence? Perhaps Martha was his mother, Jesse not his father. I am unable to find a David snr and have been unable to locate a baptism record for David jnr. I would be grateful for your t! houghts and any advice on this one. It would be so easy to accept Martha and Jesse as my gt.gt.grandfather's parents but ........ Man!> y thanks.> Sandra> 12258> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Dear Frank, I think Caroline is the answer here but she seems to be as elusive as Cornelius ! There is a marriage in the Brighton district in 1882 between a Caroline Chappell and William Hutchins. In the 1891 and 1901 Censuses, Caroline is shown as being born in Clapham, so this would seem to be her. If your Caroline was born in Clapham, then the registration district at the time was Petworth. I just put in Caroline in FreeBMD and checked the marriages for all of those who were born between 1837 and 1841 and no luck...none were married to a Chappell ! I found the births registered in Clapham in IGI for that period and again using Caroline only, there were only 3 shown, Caroline Christopher (1834), Caroline Mills (1836) and Caroline Stanford (1840), but again, looking for marriages to a Chappell bought up nothing. If she was in London in 1861 then there is a good chance that she was married there, by the looks of it to another servant. I can see why this is a brickwall. I cannot think at present of the next step, but I thought I would send you these ramblings, it may well be that there is a lister out there who can suggest other courses of actions. Regards, Brian Denn -----Original Message----- From: Frank Chappell [mailto:dandf@talktalk.net] Sent: 11 February 2008 11:36 To: brialing Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather Hello Brian, I also had a connection between Caroline and Clapham but the link to Hannover Square is new to me. Her maiden name was not Scutt but SOUTH and I don't think there is much chance of a connection between the two. Caroline Chappell appears in the 1871 and 1881 censususes (censi?) though her ages seem a bit variable. There is also a possible record of her in 1891 in Yorkshire married to a Thomas Chappell. If it is her did she just look around to find someone to marry with the same surname? Fascinating. Regards, Frank brialing wrote: > Dear Frank, > > By doing some backtracking, by the 1881 census, Caroline was born in > Clapham, Sussex (although in 1871 it shows Patching). > > If you go back to 1861 and put in Caroline, born Clapham, it comes up with > Caroline Chappell, married, a servant working in Hannover Square. > > In 1851 using the same criteria, the obvious person we have in a Caroline > Scutt, again a servant in Broadwater. > > In FreeBMD, there is a marriage entry for a Caroline Scutt in Brighton in > 1859 but there are no other entries for that reference. > > I have checked the name of Chappell for that quarter in the original indexes > and there is no corresponding entry. > > This is only guesswork of course and does not tell us why the husband/father > seems to be missing at the times the censuses are taken and if you have the > finances you may wish to get that marriage certificate and find out who > Caroline did marry. > > Happy hunting, > > Regards, > > > Brian Denn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Frank Chappell > Sent: 06 February 2008 16:51 > To: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather > > My stonewall is my Great Grandfather - Cornelius James CHAPPELL. His > existance is shown on my > grandfather Samuel's birth certificate where he appears as the father > and is described as a domestic servant. > The birth was registered in Brighton in February 1863 so I guess he was > alive in 1862. In the 1871 census only his wife > Caroline and Samuel appear. I can find no record of his birth, marriage > or death. > Can anyone help? > Frank Chappell (9258) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: 06/02/2008 > 09:13 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: 06/02/2008 > 20:14 > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54

----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Casey" <donnacasey@yahoo.com> To: "SFHG SxFamHXGrp" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: [SFHG] Another Genealogy Trip To East Sussex:: Tillinghurst KneelerPresentation Hi Donna., My wife and I stayed at Whitehouse Farm Holiday Homes for three weeks last autumn when we were between homes and found it more than adequate as a base to travel from. It is at Horney Common on the A22 about a couple of miles south of Nutley; phone number 01825 712377. Web site at:- www.streets-ahead.com/whitehousefarm Hope this helps. Robin >I will be presenting my completed needlepointed Tillinghurst family kneeler >hassockk to St. Peter's Church, Ardingly on 29th June.My son will be >accompanying me. > > Although I have done a preliminary search on the net, I wondered if > anyone on the list knows of any self-catering cottage with 2 bedrooms that > I could rent for 2 weeks from either mid June to 30th June or from 27th > June to July 9 or 10. > > Location: Between the boundaries of north/Ardingly and South/Alfriston, > East Sussex. (or anything within 15 - 20 miles of this area. > > Thanks for any help anyone can be. Apologies for this being sort of "off > topic". > > Donna TILLINGHAST Casey > > > If you want to understand today, you have to search > yesterday. Pearl Buck > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2865 (20080211) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

I have received 3 from you in the last 30 munutes, I would suggest that the problem is more likely with your ISP than anywhere else as my messages have been returned to me promptly. HTH Joe Austen 9934 in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" <gordonsmith@nascr.net> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: [SFHG] Circulation of messages >I have sent three messages over the past few days to the list but so far >not one has appeared in my inbox. I thought that one's own messages were >automatically sent back to one as well as to everyone else. Am I wrong? Or >is there a hiccup? Did anyone see messages from me? > > Gordon Smith (8479) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: > 10/02/2008 12:21 PM > >

Hello. I have a LETTICE BALCOMBE born about 1635 - 1650, possibly in Little Horsted or Mayfield; I have her rmarriage and would like to know of her parents and siblings, if any. Many thanks. Robin

Thank you Michael, when next in the UK I will do as you suggest. Sandra Walder-Payne ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Burchall To: Sandra Walder-Payne ; sfhg@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [SFHG] WALDER Hi Sandra, Presumably you have the marriage certificate from the GRO? Try checking the local record wither at the church or local Register Office. There may have been an error made when sending in the copies to the Registrar. Michael > From: sandrapayne@cytanet.com.cy > To: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:41:34 +0200 > Subject: [SFHG] WALDER > > Dear All > According to his Marriage Certificate my gt.gt.grandfather David WALDER was born in c.1819. Subsequent sightings confirm that he was born in Lindfield. The only David in the area and of the correct age can be found in the1841 Census. The Head of the household is Jesse Walder together with his wife Martha and several younger children. David's eldest daughter was named Martha, a Martha Walder (not the daughter) was present at the death of David's wife Selina (Guy). David's Marriage Certificate however gives his father as another David. What is the likelihood of there being a clerical error on the Certificate? Obviously possible but was this a frequent occurrence? Perhaps Martha was his mother, Jesse not his father. I am unable to find a David snr and have been unable to locate a baptism record for David jnr. I would be grateful for your thoughts and any advice on this one. It would be so easy to accept Martha and Jesse as my gt.gt.grandfather's parents but ........ Man! > y thanks. > Sandra > 12258 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger

Hallo Listers, Further to Richard Evans' and Mark Milton's emails could I enter the 'King' discussion? I have an Ellen King who married my great grandfather John Hammond in 1866 on the Isle of Wight but I have no other details as to here birthplace. Unfortunately, she died in childbirth in 1868. the child John Ernest Hammond survived. His father came from Bognor and remarried in 1872 to Georgiana Waynforth. Do either of you see any connection here? Chris Hammond, SFHG 7451

Hi Listers. Could Brian Pannett (his email dated 11 Feb) let listers know the details of this book, ie publishers, date etc. I would be most interested in obtaining or borrowing a copy as the Hammond's had a business (brazing, ironmongery etc) on the High street at Lewes certainly from the 1841 census onwards and I am keen to find out about this in earlier times. Thanks Chris Hammond SFHG 7451

Hello Everyone Thanks to all who tried to help with my query re Stephen Lingham. I realize he may have already been on his way here.Many ships passengers were listed as steerage class & were not named.He may even have been out on a fishing boat at the time of the census. I have'nt found his brothers James Bridger, George & William Edward ( known as Edward ) on the 1861 census , although George's wife Catherine was living in Worthing with their two sons at the time. Maybe George was also here by then , he & his wife are both buried in the Creswick ( Vic. Aust.) cemetary. Regards to all Joy Morrish No 4970 Aust.

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Diana, Someone a bit closer to Sussex may be able to be more specific but Colin Brent in his book Georgian Lewes 1714-1830 has a bit to say about the malting and brewing that took place in the town and around. He does not mention a George Wood but says that in 1802 the Brewers Arms was sold to its landlord James Wood. (p33). On p 86 there is a reference to landlord Wood at the Bear. Helen Poole in Lewes Past on P43 also has a bit to say about Breweries in the town. and mentions a Thomas Wood. Best wishes in your search Bryan Member No 11480 > Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:56:22 -0000 >From: "Diana Gunter" <dee.gunter@virgin.net> >Subject: [SFHG] Lewes - Info needed please >To: <sfhg@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001b01c86bfd$7f69b0b0$76500050@Di13> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Everyone > >Can anybody give me some information about High Street, Lewes? > >An ancestor of mine is listed on the 1851 census as working for a >Brewer named George Wood who lived at 26 High Street, Lewes. Maybe >since 1851 the property numbers have been changed. > >I would really like to know whether this would have included a >brewery as well or maybe it would have been seperate, but Mr Wood >states on the census that he employs 16 men. Would the brewery have >supplied the local pubs/inns? > >Any help would be much appreciated. > >Diana >Member No 12060 > >