Dear Julian, I have a certificate for the marriage of a distant relative Ann Jane Tilbury to Frederic John Vinall at All Souls, St. Marylebone, in the September quarter of 1865 (1b 314). In that same year and quarter she was listed as having married at Pancras (1a 924) and Frederic John Vinal is listed as one of her possible spouses. Alan Tilbury 9940 > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of k.noakes@lineone.net > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:12 AM > To: sfhg@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFHG] two weddings, one marriage > > In 1753 Richard Nokes married Mary Susans on Sunday 11th November in Beckley > and the following Thursday 15th November in Northiam. > Both marriages are recorded in the parish registers. > Has anyone heard of a double wedding in two different places before between > the same couple?How unusual was this and what might be an explanation? > > Julian Noakes > 11756 >

In 1753 Richard Nokes married Mary Susans on Sunday 11th November in Beckley and the following Thursday 15th November in Northiam. Both marriages are recorded in the parish registers. Has anyone heard of a double wedding in two different places before between the same couple?How unusual was this and what might be an explanation? Julian Noakes 11756

Hello Julian, You message is interesting and I have come across this in my research. It seems that on some occasions the reading of Banns was recorded in the parish registers and such entries can be mistaken for a marriage. In your case I would suspect that the first you mention on a Sunday was the reading of Banns and the second was the marriage. Was one of the parties of Beckley and the other of Northiam? If so this would add further credence to what I suspect. Kind regards, John Green, 9502 in Ontario, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: <k.noakes@lineone.net> To: <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:12 PM Subject: [SFHG] two weddings, one marriage > In 1753 Richard Nokes married Mary Susans on Sunday 11th November in > Beckley and the following Thursday 15th November in Northiam. > Both marriages are recorded in the parish registers. > Has anyone heard of a double wedding in two different places before > between the same couple?How unusual was this and what might be an > explanation? > > Julian Noakes > 11756 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Julian Its quite likely they lived in different parishes and had two weddings to meet the requirements of the day Regars Jean 10774

Unfortunately this information arrived too late to be announced at the Worthing Meeting Centre yesterday evening. Therefore I am sending it to the list for those who might like to know of it. Judy Excell Castle Goring - past and future : Grade I Listed building - Castle Goring. English Heritage has declared that it is in URGENT need of repair. Conservation group The Worthing Society's next evening talk will be on Tuesday, 26th February at 7:30pm in the Worthing Library Lecture Theatre. Tthe Regional Director of English Heritage will be talking about the history and the future of Worthing's Grade I Listed Castle Goring. These talks are always open to the public for an entry fee of just £2. The Society's Committee Members will be on hand to chat to members or visitors wishing to discuss matters of local interest or concern. There are no advance tickets...entry is simply restricted to the maximum allowable under the Library's Health & Safety Rules. Doors open at 7 pm. If this sounds interesting to you the Society urges you to put the date in your diary.

Most of my family are from Sussex and my older sister told me that 'bundling' was a common courting practice and my father had told her it was also common in his native country - Wales. We had bolsters on our beds in my parents' home and used them underr single pillows - they were cetainly not very comfortable if used on their own. Thanks to Donald for reminding me about this. Helen 4583 On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:18:31 -0000, donald.ofardeer@btinternet.com said: > When I was a boy, many years ago, the occasional habit of allowing young > men > and girls to lie together in a bed was known as 'BOLSTERING'. A 'BOLSTER' > was a long well stuffed pillow that would normally sit across a double > bed > and used as an under pillow. This would be inserted between male & > female, > on a bed and give them some privacy to carry on courting in a separate > room > ( bedroom) during the long winter nights, without Television. > The 'BOLSTER' seemed to be a common article of bedding in those days and > were most uncomfortable to use as a pillow > > Don FRASER > 6605 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to all who contributed to this subject - I'll need to get sewing now! Diana _________________________________________________________________ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com

It is very good of you to be taking the trouble persevering with my family. I am a bit depressed because not only do I have this problem with Cornelius but there are more recent problems that are proving difficult to solve - one with my grandmother, one with my uncle (both of whom I met once) and one with an aunt who was never talked about and I didn't know existed. So I have plenty to do but if it is not raining I tend to prefer to look after the garden. So progress is slow. Regards Frank Deborah Montgomerie wrote: > Hi Frank, > > Don't give up yet I am still looking for you for proof of Corneilius or the > evasive Caroline. Perhaps she had another first name at one time or South > could have been a married name before she married Corneilius. However, you > have to bear in mind that Caroline and & Corneilius James may never have > been officially married, perhaps they just called themselves married for a > while. As a domestic servant, if he was with a large household he may have > travelled around with them. You do have a good puzzle here as he could have > used the names James or even Neil instead of Corneilius. > > Definitely Caroline is not the one who married Thomas Chappell as I tracked > them for a while to check them out. > > Your puzzle is the sort where Corneilius just pops up on a ship headed for > the US one day. The fact that I found someone with the same name in early > 1900's may well prove he did come over. > > Wishing you good luck, > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Frank Chappell > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:12 AM > To: brialing > Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather > > Hello Brian, > You've done very well in tracking Caroline and I will investigate the > wedding with William Hutchins. But it looks as though my family history > comes to an end with my Great Grandfather. Maybe he never existed! > Many thanks for all your help. > Regards > Frank > > brialing wrote: > >> Dear Frank, >> >> I think Caroline is the answer here but she seems to be as elusive as >> Cornelius ! >> >> There is a marriage in the Brighton district in 1882 between a Caroline >> Chappell and William Hutchins. >> >> In the 1891 and 1901 Censuses, Caroline is shown as being born in Clapham, >> so this would seem to be her. >> >> If your Caroline was born in Clapham, then the registration district at >> > the > >> time was Petworth. I just put in Caroline in FreeBMD and checked the >> marriages for all of those who were born between 1837 and 1841 and no >> luck...none were married to a Chappell ! >> >> I found the births registered in Clapham in IGI for that period and again >> using Caroline only, there were only 3 shown, Caroline Christopher (1834), >> Caroline Mills (1836) and Caroline Stanford (1840), but again, looking for >> marriages to a Chappell bought up nothing. >> >> If she was in London in 1861 then there is a good chance that she was >> married there, by the looks of it to another servant. >> >> I can see why this is a brickwall. >> >> I cannot think at present of the next step, but I thought I would send you >> these ramblings, it may well be that there is a lister out there who can >> suggest other courses of actions. >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Brian Denn >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frank Chappell [mailto:dandf@talktalk.net] >> Sent: 11 February 2008 11:36 >> To: brialing >> Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather >> >> Hello Brian, >> I also had a connection between Caroline and Clapham but the link to >> Hannover Square is new to me. Her maiden name was not Scutt but SOUTH >> and I don't think there is much chance of a connection between the two. >> Caroline Chappell appears in the 1871 and 1881 censususes (censi?) >> though her ages seem a bit variable. There is also a possible record of >> her in 1891 in Yorkshire married to a Thomas Chappell. If it is her did >> she just look around to find someone to marry with the same surname? >> Fascinating. >> Regards, >> Frank >> >> brialing wrote: >> >> >>> Dear Frank, >>> >>> By doing some backtracking, by the 1881 census, Caroline was born in >>> Clapham, Sussex (although in 1871 it shows Patching). >>> >>> If you go back to 1861 and put in Caroline, born Clapham, it comes up >>> > with > >>> Caroline Chappell, married, a servant working in Hannover Square. >>> >>> In 1851 using the same criteria, the obvious person we have in a Caroline >>> Scutt, again a servant in Broadwater. >>> >>> In FreeBMD, there is a marriage entry for a Caroline Scutt in Brighton in >>> 1859 but there are no other entries for that reference. >>> >>> I have checked the name of Chappell for that quarter in the original >>> >>> >> indexes >> >> >>> and there is no corresponding entry. >>> >>> This is only guesswork of course and does not tell us why the >>> >>> >> husband/father >> >> >>> seems to be missing at the times the censuses are taken and if you have >>> >>> >> the >> >> >>> finances you may wish to get that marriage certificate and find out who >>> Caroline did marry. >>> >>> Happy hunting, >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> Brian Denn >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >>> >>> >> Behalf >> >> >>> Of Frank Chappell >>> Sent: 06 February 2008 16:51 >>> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather >>> >>> My stonewall is my Great Grandfather - Cornelius James CHAPPELL. His >>> existance is shown on my >>> grandfather Samuel's birth certificate where he appears as the father >>> and is described as a domestic servant. >>> The birth was registered in Brighton in February 1863 so I guess he was >>> alive in 1862. In the 1871 census only his wife >>> Caroline and Samuel appear. I can find no record of his birth, marriage >>> or death. >>> Can anyone help? >>> Frank Chappell (9258) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> >>> >> in >> >> >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: >>> >>> >> 06/02/2008 >> >> >>> 09:13 >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: >>> >>> >> 06/02/2008 >> >> >>> 20:14 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: >> > 09/02/2008 > >> 11:54 >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: >> > 09/02/2008 > >> 11:54 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > >

When I was a boy, many years ago, the occasional habit of allowing young men and girls to lie together in a bed was known as 'BOLSTERING'. A 'BOLSTER' was a long well stuffed pillow that would normally sit across a double bed and used as an under pillow. This would be inserted between male & female, on a bed and give them some privacy to carry on courting in a separate room ( bedroom) during the long winter nights, without Television. The 'BOLSTER' seemed to be a common article of bedding in those days and were most uncomfortable to use as a pillow Don FRASER 6605

Did the bun quilt have anything to do with the one time practice of young couples being permitted to 'bundle' before marriage? My dictionary describes it as sleeping together fully clothed. Margaret Major

Sorry, missed original message. West Grinstead parish registers have been transcribed by the excellent Parish Register Transcription Society [£4, mini CD]. Matilda WOOD was christened at West Grinstead on 1 February 1807. She was the daughter of Sabel? [? in transcription] and Caroline WOOD. Best Wishes Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Woolgar" <listmail2008@btinternet.com> To: "Rachel Howe" <howerrfh@gmail.com>; "SFHG Post Messages" <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] West Grimstead? >I think the place should be West GriNstead (not GriMstead). >Unfortunately, > the West Grinstead registers are not on the IGI or BVRI v2. If it is > difficult for you to check the registers yourself, I am intending to visit > WSRO on Saturday and can make a check for this baptism then. There is an > Index to the registers, so it should only take a few minutes and I can do > it > whilst waiting for items from the Strong Room. Just let me know by 18.00 > GMT on Friday 22 Feb 2008 and I will add it to my file. > > Best wishes > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > SFHG NO: 3323 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

It's an interesting idea but the component parts of the quilt actually do look like little flattened buns. Mind you, the gaps between the buns might have made fully dressed 'bundling' seem quite a good idea - the quilt seemed better designed for appearance than warmth! Diana> From: joyesmaj@xtra.co.nz> To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:00:19 +1300> Subject: [SFHG] Bun - bundle> > Did the bun quilt have anything to do with the one time practice of young> couples being permitted to 'bundle' before marriage? My dictionary describes> it as sleeping together fully clothed.> > Margaret Major> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com

I think the place should be West GriNstead (not GriMstead). Unfortunately, the West Grinstead registers are not on the IGI or BVRI v2. If it is difficult for you to check the registers yourself, I am intending to visit WSRO on Saturday and can make a check for this baptism then. There is an Index to the registers, so it should only take a few minutes and I can do it whilst waiting for items from the Strong Room. Just let me know by 18.00 GMT on Friday 22 Feb 2008 and I will add it to my file. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

Hi Chris. Many thanks for the wealth of information about the Crittles. Very much appreciated. Regards, Fred. (12515)

You might be looking for West GriNstead ... this is north of Partidge Green. Good luck Bridget ----- Original Message ---- From: Rachel Howe <howerrfh@gmail.com> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 February, 2008 7:49:26 AM Subject: [SFHG] West Grimstead? I am looking for a Matilda WOOD who, according to the 1861 Census, was born about 1805 in West Grimstead, Sussex, England. I am not having much luck locating a West Grimstead. Any ideas? Best, Rachel Hansen Howe 11988 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, that should be how small do the 'Buns' have to be ? Presume this is a diameter measurement. Diane 10813

I am looking for a Matilda WOOD who, according to the 1861 Census, was born about 1805 in West Grimstead, Sussex, England. I am not having much luck locating a West Grimstead. Any ideas? Best, Rachel Hansen Howe 11988

Diana if you look at http://www.loudfrog.com/itemdetail.aspx?detailID=239080 you will find a little about Bun or Biscuit Quilting. I do not know of any special Sussex variety but it seems it is a simple form of quilting for beginners. RHS -----Original Message----- From: Diana Mungall [mailto:dianamungall@hotmail.com] Sent: 19 February 2008 11:45 To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Ancient Sussex craft I was at an antiques fair in Edinburgh on Saturday and saw a bed covering described as a 'Sussex bun quilt'. No age was given but it was priced at £260. It comprised hundreds of little round flattened pouches, presumably made by cutting out circles of fabric, gathering them round the edge, ironing the resultant 'bun' to flatten it and then sewing it to the next one. I googled 'Sussex bun quilt' in vain - can anyone enlighten me about this craft? Diana _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml

If I want to make a miniature Sussex Bun Quilt for my Sussex doll's house bed measuring 3" x 4" how big to the Buns have to be ? Diane 10813

Hello Brian, You've done very well in tracking Caroline and I will investigate the wedding with William Hutchins. But it looks as though my family history comes to an end with my Great Grandfather. Maybe he never existed! Many thanks for all your help. Regards Frank brialing wrote: > Dear Frank, > > I think Caroline is the answer here but she seems to be as elusive as > Cornelius ! > > There is a marriage in the Brighton district in 1882 between a Caroline > Chappell and William Hutchins. > > In the 1891 and 1901 Censuses, Caroline is shown as being born in Clapham, > so this would seem to be her. > > If your Caroline was born in Clapham, then the registration district at the > time was Petworth. I just put in Caroline in FreeBMD and checked the > marriages for all of those who were born between 1837 and 1841 and no > luck...none were married to a Chappell ! > > I found the births registered in Clapham in IGI for that period and again > using Caroline only, there were only 3 shown, Caroline Christopher (1834), > Caroline Mills (1836) and Caroline Stanford (1840), but again, looking for > marriages to a Chappell bought up nothing. > > If she was in London in 1861 then there is a good chance that she was > married there, by the looks of it to another servant. > > I can see why this is a brickwall. > > I cannot think at present of the next step, but I thought I would send you > these ramblings, it may well be that there is a lister out there who can > suggest other courses of actions. > > Regards, > > > Brian Denn > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Chappell [mailto:dandf@talktalk.net] > Sent: 11 February 2008 11:36 > To: brialing > Cc: SFHG@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather > > Hello Brian, > I also had a connection between Caroline and Clapham but the link to > Hannover Square is new to me. Her maiden name was not Scutt but SOUTH > and I don't think there is much chance of a connection between the two. > Caroline Chappell appears in the 1871 and 1881 censususes (censi?) > though her ages seem a bit variable. There is also a possible record of > her in 1891 in Yorkshire married to a Thomas Chappell. If it is her did > she just look around to find someone to marry with the same surname? > Fascinating. > Regards, > Frank > > brialing wrote: > >> Dear Frank, >> >> By doing some backtracking, by the 1881 census, Caroline was born in >> Clapham, Sussex (although in 1871 it shows Patching). >> >> If you go back to 1861 and put in Caroline, born Clapham, it comes up with >> Caroline Chappell, married, a servant working in Hannover Square. >> >> In 1851 using the same criteria, the obvious person we have in a Caroline >> Scutt, again a servant in Broadwater. >> >> In FreeBMD, there is a marriage entry for a Caroline Scutt in Brighton in >> 1859 but there are no other entries for that reference. >> >> I have checked the name of Chappell for that quarter in the original >> > indexes > >> and there is no corresponding entry. >> >> This is only guesswork of course and does not tell us why the >> > husband/father > >> seems to be missing at the times the censuses are taken and if you have >> > the > >> finances you may wish to get that marriage certificate and find out who >> Caroline did marry. >> >> Happy hunting, >> >> Regards, >> >> >> Brian Denn >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> > Behalf > >> Of Frank Chappell >> Sent: 06 February 2008 16:51 >> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [SFHG] My Great Grandfather >> >> My stonewall is my Great Grandfather - Cornelius James CHAPPELL. His >> existance is shown on my >> grandfather Samuel's birth certificate where he appears as the father >> and is described as a domestic servant. >> The birth was registered in Brighton in February 1863 so I guess he was >> alive in 1862. In the 1871 census only his wife >> Caroline and Samuel appear. I can find no record of his birth, marriage >> or death. >> Can anyone help? >> Frank Chappell (9258) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> > in > >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1262 - Release Date: >> > 06/02/2008 > >> 09:13 >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.21/1263 - Release Date: >> > 06/02/2008 > >> 20:14 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 > 11:54 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 > 11:54 > > > > > >