Medically, what actually caused the Plague ? Diane 10813

There is also the point that hundreds of couples were employed on remote farms. If they could not attend the Registrar's Office in the nearest local town of any size after the birth of a child, often the Registrar would have had to visit the hamlet where they lived. He would have ridden over on a horse. People may have regarded Baptising the child as more important than registration, hadnt made up their minds about names, or even been too ill to attend to these matters. It raises all sorts of historical issues. I think 'Lark Rise to Candleford' helps us to understand how our forebears really lived. And how poor they were. Most interesting. Diane 10813.

Mary Dobson has an extensive discussion on smallpox in her tome. Its main incidence seems to have been in a later period (esp 18th cent) and in larger urban areas. In rural areas like Alfriston it often affected only a few households in any village. Smallpox is not mentioned at all in Sussex during the period in question - though she does mention scattered local outbreaks in the late 1640s (and small incidences of the plague during the period), but nothing out of the ordinary. Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. Bryan Jenner [mailto:bryan.jenner@univie.ac.at] > Sent: 27 February 2008 09:33 > To: southwick@eml.cc > Cc: 'Donna Casey'; 'SFHG SxFamHXGrp' > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Illness-Related Death Toll: Alfriston > Parish c1644? > > Has anyone mentioned smallpox? I lost the majority of one > family twice in the mid-1600s in East Kent, and it does seem > to have been more prevalent than plague by then. > > Bryan Jenner > > > On 26 Feb 2008, at 21:57, Ian Clark wrote: > > > The lack of many parish registers during the Civil War was because > > many of the clergy in Parlimentary areas were dismissed. Marriages > > were performed by the local JPs are were purely civil affairs. > > Burials might have been done by the old sexton. But > probably the only > > man in the village who could write was no longer allowed to do his > > job. > > > > The standard academic research on plagues and illnesses in > the SE is > > "C0ntours of death and disease in early modern England" by > Mary Dobson > > CUP 1997. She does not identify any general outbreaks of plague or > > other disease in the period 1641-52, with each year > reported "average" > > or better, and only very localised incidents reported. She > analysed > > over 1,100 parishes in SE England. However 1638 is "crisis > > mortality"1639 "high mortality", 1640 "unhealthy", > 1653"unhealthy". > > The only regional disease outbreak that she mentions was typhus in > > 1643, which seemed to have followed the king's army, but in places > > like SW England and along the Thames. The following year there was > > plague in parts of Essex and north Kent ports. > > She also reports no particularly unusual weather patterns in 1642-6. > > > > Ian Clark > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casey > >> Sent: 26 February 2008 19:20 > >> To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp > >> Subject: [SFHG] Illness-Related Death Toll: Alfriston Parish c1644? > >> > >> Below is information I have rec'd which was found in the > >> Parish Registers for Alfriston, East Sussex c1642 - 1646: > >> Can anyone help me to further locate information about what > >> is presented in the following: > >> > >> Death toll in c1642 - 1646: There were 23 burials (in > >> Alfriston) that year, but in the previous10 yrs the average > >> was 10 deaths per year. After 1642 the register gets > >> neglected - 4 burials recorded in 1643, none (recorded) in > >> '44, 4 deaths in '45, then only 3 burials per year for the > >> next 20 years. > >> > >> There was obviously a lack of enthusiasm among the clergy > >> for record-keeping at the time (Civil War - political > >> climate?). But it might be worth considering that there was > >> an epidemic in the area c1642 - the figure of 23 is high for > >> the village (Alfriston). (checked for any recorded bad > >> weather conditions at the time but nothing showed up.) > >> > >> Where can I check for plagues or other severe illnesses > >> that might have occurred during this period? > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> Donna TILLINGHAST Casey > >> Michigan, USA 9674 > >> > >> > >> If you want to understand today, you have to > >> search yesterday. Pearl Buck > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > >

Hello Jeanette, Brad has beaten me to it ! - As he says, children were not "required to be baptised" before the birth could be registered. Some people either thought the baptism to be the more important event, more so than registration, or were just not going to be rushed into naming the child at the behest of some petty bureaucrat. They had 42 days for registration without charge and then a further twenty weeks when charges were made. If registration was delayed later than six months after the birth there was a liability to a substantial fine. The correspondent in question was particularly unhappy about the insertion of a "proposed" name which in his view,would result in "stultifying the whole entries in that column as a legal evidence of name." The letter is a long one and most of it exposes the inadequacies of the Act in so far as this question is concerned. He concludes by advising parents not to give a a proposed name nor to allow the registrars to insert the baptismal name after registration of birth in any other than the proper column ("baptismal name". for which there was a column in the original form) without the knowledge of the parents and without the baptismal certificate that they would provide. I get the impression that the provisions of the Act had not been entirely thought through (not unusual even today !!) and that this was quickly realised by many people, who proceeded to object to the dictates of local registrars. Quite rightly, they did not have the interests of 21st c genealogists in mind ! The letter I have referred to was published on 29th November 1839. Jim Halsey. On 27/02/2008, DAVID PRICE <davidlprice@btinternet.com> wrote: > > It really surprises me to learn that children were required to be baptised > before their birth could be registered. > The birth certificate of my Gt. Grandmother arrived in the post this > morning and she had been given a forename, although I know for sure that she > was not baptised until a full month or more post the registration of her > birth. This was in 1866 and her mother's birth was 20 yrs earlier in 1846, > so maybe the registrars had become a little more "relaxed" by then!! > > David and I would be very interested to know when the letters were > publishedin the Times re registrations of BMD's. We are regular readers, > but this seems to have passed us by! > >

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:40:26 +0000 (GMT) DAVID PRICE <davidlprice@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello DAVID, > Very many thanks indeed for your interesting and comprehensive > reply. It really surprises me to learn that children were required > to be baptised before their birth could be registered. They weren't. It would appear you've misunderstood what happened regarding that particular family. They merely declined to give the Registrar a name. It was their choice to wait until baptism before naming the child. They /could/ have then gone to the Registrar and added the name to the register (it's allowed for a period of 12 months from date of registration), but chose not to. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Love is a temple, love is a shrine You Have Placed A Chill In My Heart - Eurythmics

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Hello Jim, Very many thanks indeed for your interesting and comprehensive reply. It really surprises me to learn that children were required to be baptised before their birth could be registered. The birth certificate of my Gt. Grandmother arrived in the post this morning and she had been given a forename, although I know for sure that she was not baptised until a full month or more post the registration of her birth. This was in 1866 and her mother's birth was 20 yrs earlier in 1846, so maybe the registrars had become a little more "relaxed" by then!! David and I would be very interested to know when the letters were publishedin the Times re registrations of BMD's. We are regular readers, but this seems to have passed us by! Thanks once again for your help. Best wishes from : Jeanette Mem.11641

I have found confirmation for the translation of the forename "Johe". I found it on Rootsweb and Ancestry.com. The old form of John (Latin) is Ioh (That is an "i" as in India). The "I" is equal to a "J". The Latin for John is then "Joh" and eventually changed to "Johe" and finally "John". I see it all the way through the Sussex subsidy lists from 1296 to 1332. Thanks for everyone's input. Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA 9674 If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck

Hello Jeanette, The application of the Act for the registration of BMDs was the cause of some irritation and indeed annoyance to many, if correspondence in the Times is anything to go by. One correspondent in late 1837 put the matter very clearly. I paraphrase :- The registrar called to register the birth before the child had been baptised and settled down to fill in the form. the first question was "when born ?". The second was "name, if any?". The correspondent answered "the child has not yet been baptised and therefore has no name." the registrar then asked for the proposed name.but the correspondent refused to give it, on the grounds that that the "proposed name" might not be the name at baptism. He was told that that name could be added after registration..However, the Registrar had "done his duty in registering the birth only and need not call again". If it were added the question then arose as to which of the two names, if different, is the legal name? In the case of a legacy that could prove "a fruitful caise of dispute". There is more, and it make interesting reading. It is not easy to put ourselves in the context our ancestors found themselves in more than 150 years ago, but they had their reasons for behaving as they did, even if some of their actions may seem seem strange to 21st c eyes. The registration of births brought problems previously not encountered and was not helped by the less than perfect drafting of the Act. Certainly those who resisted the new bureaucratic requirements have my sympathy, even if their objections have given me, and no doubt many others too, a good few problems over the years. Jim Halsey On 27/02/2008, DAVID PRICE <davidlprice@btinternet.com> wrote: > > I have hunted for my irtGt.Gt.Grandmothers bh registration for over a > year. I ordered a birth certificate which turned out to be an incorrect > one. By chance came across the registration of "Female Baby" in the year, > quarter and place which were quite likely and indeed it turned out to be my > Gt.Gt.Grandmother. Cannot fully understand why she was not named as there > was an 11 day gap between her birth and its registration. > >

Just found further notes: Smallpox recorded: Hellingly: Jan-Feb 1682/3, Dec 1698, Feb 1772/3, Oct 1731 Rottingdean: 1734 Chiddingly: 1656 Sorry didn't record sources, but I was searching parishes at ESRO at the time. Barbara Sanders

Sorry I can't help with Alfriston in 17C, but this sort of info sometimes turns up in parish records. I found an informative and evocative description of parish life in 18C Laughton in the Churchwarden's Accounts,1707-1895: East Sussex Record Office, PAR409/9. It includes: 11 April 1741 "time of smallpox". Also mentions my family members by name, caring for a sick man, laying him out, "pd for Round Frock and payer Briches for Robt Medhurst, 5/6", etc. - anything that the parish paid for. A survey of such records would be a good subject for a research project? Any volunteers?! Barbara Sanders

Has anyone mentioned smallpox? I lost the majority of one family twice in the mid-1600s in East Kent, and it does seem to have been more prevalent than plague by then. Bryan Jenner On 26 Feb 2008, at 21:57, Ian Clark wrote: > The lack of many parish registers during the Civil War was because > many of > the clergy in Parlimentary areas were dismissed. Marriages were > performed > by the local JPs are were purely civil affairs. Burials might have > been > done by the old sexton. But probably the only man in the village > who could > write was no longer allowed to do his job. > > The standard academic research on plagues and illnesses in the SE is > "C0ntours of death and disease in early modern England" by Mary > Dobson CUP > 1997. She does not identify any general outbreaks of plague or other > disease in the period 1641-52, with each year reported "average" or > better, > and only very localised incidents reported. She analysed over 1,100 > parishes in SE England. However 1638 is "crisis mortality"1639 "high > mortality", 1640 "unhealthy", 1653"unhealthy". The only regional > disease > outbreak that she mentions was typhus in 1643, which seemed to have > followed > the king's army, but in places like SW England and along the > Thames. The > following year there was plague in parts of Essex and north Kent > ports. > She also reports no particularly unusual weather patterns in 1642-6. > > Ian Clark > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casey >> Sent: 26 February 2008 19:20 >> To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp >> Subject: [SFHG] Illness-Related Death Toll: Alfriston Parish c1644? >> >> Below is information I have rec'd which was found in the >> Parish Registers for Alfriston, East Sussex c1642 - 1646: >> Can anyone help me to further locate information about what >> is presented in the following: >> >> Death toll in c1642 - 1646: There were 23 burials (in >> Alfriston) that year, but in the previous10 yrs the average >> was 10 deaths per year. After 1642 the register gets >> neglected - 4 burials recorded in 1643, none (recorded) in >> '44, 4 deaths in '45, then only 3 burials per year for the >> next 20 years. >> >> There was obviously a lack of enthusiasm among the clergy >> for record-keeping at the time (Civil War - political >> climate?). But it might be worth considering that there was >> an epidemic in the area c1642 - the figure of 23 is high for >> the village (Alfriston). (checked for any recorded bad >> weather conditions at the time but nothing showed up.) >> >> Where can I check for plagues or other severe illnesses >> that might have occurred during this period? >> >> Thanks again, >> Donna TILLINGHAST Casey >> Michigan, USA 9674 >> >> >> If you want to understand today, you have to >> search yesterday. Pearl Buck >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Can anyone tell me the "translation" of a man's first name abbreviation of "Johe" would stand for? I see it in Sussex subsidy c1332. Donna Casey Michigan, USA If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck

I have hunted for my Gt.Gt.Grandmothers birth registration for over a year. I ordered a birth certificate which turned out to be an incorrect one. By chance came across the registration of "Female Baby" in the year, quarter and place which were quite likely and indeed it turned out to be my Gt.Gt.Grandmother. Cannot fully understand why she was not named as there was an 11 day gap between her birth and its registration. Just thought I'd pass this information on, in case anyone else like me has been searching for an ancestor/relation whom they couldn't find in the indexes. Jeanette Price Mem.11641.

I take it that it is not on Ancestry then. JA ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Jackson To: Joe Austen ; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Canadian censii Joe, You may wish to start with this site - http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911-e.html - it will take you to the Canadian Genealogical Centre of Library and Archives Canada - the latter being a federal/national institution. (Each province also has its own archives.) Canada was not created until 1867 so, before that, various sections of the country/provinces did their own censuses. See 'What Census are Available' in the lefthand menu. To my knowledge, the Canadian censuses are still not digitized so are not searchable by name - you have to know roughly where they lived to do a search. An organization called Automated Genealogy has a project underway to digitize the censuses - check their progress at http://automatedgenealogy.com/ You also wish to contact the Ontario Archives at http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/ It may not be easy - good luck! Christine Jackson SFHG 397 Joe Austen <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> wrote: I have been informed of a marriage in St James Cathedral Toronto 6/3/1841 between James Millyard, born 1819 Walberton WS and a Rebecca Jane Wiley, I`m also advised that they had 2 children by 1851, if anyone has access to the relevant censii I would appreciate any information you can give me. My thanks to Robert Slater of South Australia for this lead. Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ. PS the IGI just crashed ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1298 - Release Date: 25/02/2008 8:45 PM

I have been informed of a marriage in St James Cathedral Toronto 6/3/1841 between James Millyard, born 1819 Walberton WS and a Rebecca Jane Wiley, I`m also advised that they had 2 children by 1851, if anyone has access to the relevant censii I would appreciate any information you can give me. My thanks to Robert Slater of South Australia for this lead. Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ. PS the IGI just crashed

The lack of many parish registers during the Civil War was because many of the clergy in Parlimentary areas were dismissed. Marriages were performed by the local JPs are were purely civil affairs. Burials might have been done by the old sexton. But probably the only man in the village who could write was no longer allowed to do his job. The standard academic research on plagues and illnesses in the SE is "C0ntours of death and disease in early modern England" by Mary Dobson CUP 1997. She does not identify any general outbreaks of plague or other disease in the period 1641-52, with each year reported "average" or better, and only very localised incidents reported. She analysed over 1,100 parishes in SE England. However 1638 is "crisis mortality"1639 "high mortality", 1640 "unhealthy", 1653"unhealthy". The only regional disease outbreak that she mentions was typhus in 1643, which seemed to have followed the king's army, but in places like SW England and along the Thames. The following year there was plague in parts of Essex and north Kent ports. She also reports no particularly unusual weather patterns in 1642-6. Ian Clark > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casey > Sent: 26 February 2008 19:20 > To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp > Subject: [SFHG] Illness-Related Death Toll: Alfriston Parish c1644? > > Below is information I have rec'd which was found in the > Parish Registers for Alfriston, East Sussex c1642 - 1646: > Can anyone help me to further locate information about what > is presented in the following: > > Death toll in c1642 - 1646: There were 23 burials (in > Alfriston) that year, but in the previous10 yrs the average > was 10 deaths per year. After 1642 the register gets > neglected - 4 burials recorded in 1643, none (recorded) in > '44, 4 deaths in '45, then only 3 burials per year for the > next 20 years. > > There was obviously a lack of enthusiasm among the clergy > for record-keeping at the time (Civil War - political > climate?). But it might be worth considering that there was > an epidemic in the area c1642 - the figure of 23 is high for > the village (Alfriston). (checked for any recorded bad > weather conditions at the time but nothing showed up.) > > Where can I check for plagues or other severe illnesses > that might have occurred during this period? > > Thanks again, > Donna TILLINGHAST Casey > Michigan, USA 9674 > > > If you want to understand today, you have to > search yesterday. Pearl Buck > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joe, There are some Canadian cenus records on Ancestry. They include 1800-1842 Ontario and Nova Scotia 1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia Lennox County, Ontario 1861 Brighton, Ontario Durham County, Ontario 1871 Kent County, New Brunswick (Eight Subdistricts) Ontario, - Free Index 1881 Ameliasburg, Prince Edward District, Ontario Athol, Picton, and Wellington, Prince Edward District, Ontario Blenheim, Chatham, and Harwich, Kent County, Ontario Colchester South, Essex County, Ontario Dover, Kent County, Ontario Hillier Township, Prince Edward County, Ontario Essex District, Ontario, (Kingsville, Colchester, Sandwich, Pelee, Gosfield) Hope, Ontario Kent County, Ontario, (Chatham, Wallaceburgh) 1891 Assiniboia, Lisgar District, Manitoba Belcourt, Lisgar District, Manitoba Chatham and Blenheim, Kent County, Ontario East Selkirk and Varennes, Lisgar District, Manitoba Hope, Ontario Lisgar District, Manitoba (SD Woodlands & St Paul) Lisgar District, Manitoba (Gimli, Kildonan, Macdonald, Plessis, Rockwood, Selkirk Town) Marquette District, Manitoba Millbrook, Ontario Newcastle, Ontario Port Hope, Ontario \Newcastle, Ontario Millbrook, Ontario Port Hope, Ontario Raleigh Township, Kent County, Tilbury, Kent County, 1901 Canadian 1906 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta 1911 Canadian From the 1851 Ork County, West Canada (Ontario Census) James Millyard; Coper; b England; age 33 Rebecca Jane Millyard; b Canada; age 27 Jane Millyard; b Canada; age 10 Reuben Millyard; b Canada; age 7 Their religion was Methodist 1871 Name: James Millyard Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Gender: Male Birth Place: England Residence District: York West Residence Location: Vaughan Ethnic Origin: English Religion: Wesleyan Methodist Occupation: Cooper head of household. There are Millyards listed as living in Ontario the 1901 and 1911 Canada census. In fact, there is quite a bit of information on the Millyards on ancestry (in their Canadian records) - too much to list here. Regards Mark Milton 9750 Joe Austen wrote: > I take it that it is not on Ancestry then. JA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine Jackson > To: Joe Austen ; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Canadian censii > > > Joe, > You may wish to start with this site - http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911-e.html - it will take you to the Canadian Genealogical Centre of Library and Archives Canada - the latter being a federal/national institution. (Each province also has its own archives.) > Canada was not created until 1867 so, before that, various sections of the country/provinces did their own censuses. See 'What Census are Available' in the lefthand menu. > To my knowledge, the Canadian censuses are still not digitized so are not searchable by name - you have to know roughly where they lived to do a search. An organization called Automated Genealogy has a project underway to digitize the censuses - check their progress at http://automatedgenealogy.com/ > You also wish to contact the Ontario Archives at http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/ > > It may not be easy - good luck! > Christine Jackson SFHG 397 > > Joe Austen <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > I have been informed of a marriage in St James Cathedral Toronto 6/3/1841 between James Millyard, born 1819 Walberton WS and a Rebecca Jane Wiley, I`m also advised that they had 2 children by 1851, if anyone has access to the relevant censii I would appreciate any information you can give me. > My thanks to Robert Slater of South Australia for this lead. Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ. > PS the IGI just crashed > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1298 - Release Date: 25/02/2008 8:45 PM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Joe, I am not an Ancestry user/subscriber but I see the Canadian censuses are on Ancestry.ca at least and are searchable - http://www.ancestry.ca/ On the home page, go down to Canadian Census Collection (lower left) and click on 1851. Enter the name of James Millyard and, in the province box, Canada West (Ontario), and it brings up only one candidate, born about 1819, so it looks like your man. York County is the area surrounding and probably (at that time) including Toronto - where he married. You need a subscription (14-day free trial available) to see the details. Over to you - and good luck, Christine Jackson Joe Austen <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> wrote: I take it that it is not on Ancestry then. JA ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Jackson To: Joe Austen ; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Canadian censii Joe, You may wish to start with this site - http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911-e.html - it will take you to the Canadian Genealogical Centre of Library and Archives Canada - the latter being a federal/national institution. (Each province also has its own archives.) Canada was not created until 1867 so, before that, various sections of the country/provinces did their own censuses. See 'What Census are Available' in the lefthand menu. To my knowledge, the Canadian censuses are still not digitized so are not searchable by name - you have to know roughly where they lived to do a search. An organization called Automated Genealogy has a project underway to digitize the censuses - check their progress at http://automatedgenealogy.com/ You also wish to contact the Ontario Archives at http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/ It may not be easy - good luck! Christine Jackson SFHG 397 Joe Austen <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> wrote: I have been informed of a marriage in St James Cathedral Toronto 6/3/1841 between James Millyard, born 1819 Walberton WS and a Rebecca Jane Wiley, I`m also advised that they had 2 children by 1851, if anyone has access to the relevant censii I would appreciate any information you can give me. My thanks to Robert Slater of South Australia for this lead. Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ. PS the IGI just crashed ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1298 - Release Date: 25/02/2008 8:45 PM --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers.

Information on burial sent to Joe. Hope you get it. Heather