I would really welcome sight of such a book as I have been trying to do the same as Rod, so I hope any replies will go on the 'list', Joyce Perry 7037 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Rod Blaker Sent: 28 February 2008 13:32 To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] life in the ....century Hi folks My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of my ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives and their extended families. To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll by - life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From availability of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and education and leisure time (was there any?) I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of a particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish and short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. Thanks Rod ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Warning, Rod: this can become obsessive. It's led me to spending my retirement taking university history courses in Sussex, London and Surrey! On a lighter note I very much enjoyed a pair of books which are fictional, but seem to be soundly based in the social history of Sussex: 'I am England' (1987) and 'That Near and Distant Place' (1989) by Patricia Wright. They are set in a Sussex Weald village, between them covering AD 70 to 1987. One of its themes which will appeal to family historians is the continuity of family characteristics and names, and the recognition how a family can rise and fall in society over the years. Probably out of print now, but I've sometimes seen both in Corgi paperback in charity shops (that's where I found mine!). Barbara Sanders > Hi folks > > My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of my > ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives and > their extended families. > > To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll by - > life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From availability > of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and education > and leisure time (was there any?) > > I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of a > particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading > that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor > the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish and > short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. > > Thanks > > Rod

But what was the infection that was in the bite of the fleas ? We still have fleas nowadays. Diane 10813.

The Museum of Shops, in Cornfield Road, Eastbourne is the place to visit. Its privately owned, has 100,000 artefacts from the era Georgina remembers. It brought so many memories back to me. In particular the box of Oxo cubes, and the biscuit tins with the contents displayed under a glass panel in the lid. And much much more ! I did leave a message for the Curator/Owner, asking if he had records of the people who donated the photographs on the wall of 'The Studio' . There are Victorian photographs there, which may relate to families of relatives of SFHG members ? I am still waiting for an email reply, will send out to all, if/when he sends it. Diane 10813

Hi Rod, There are a number of diaries that have been published written by ordinary people. These may give you the detail you are after. The book I have in front of me is The Diary of a Farmer's wife 1796 - 1797 written by Anne Hughes a farmer's wife from Chepstow. ISBN 014 00.5457 X She entitled it " Anne Hughes her boke in wiche I write what I doe" She ended it by saying " All times I do wonder who will read my book and what will become of it, but I hope that annie who do read it may be as happie a wife as I be" Good luck Bob Waters (8286) To: "Rod Blaker" <rod.blaker@gmail.com>, <SFHG@rootsweb.com> > Hi folks > > My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of > my > ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives > and > their extended families. > > To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll > by - > life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From > availability > of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and > education > and leisure time (was there any?) > > I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of > a > particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading > that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor > the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish > and > short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. > > Thanks > > Rod

Hi Joe, we dont think of Siberia as being a 3rd World country, but conditions are still pretty bad there. See the latest report from _www.rosiearoundtheworld.co.uk_ (http://www.rosiearoundtheworld.co.uk) Diane 10813

Hello Kathleen, I hope that I have not inadvertently offended you in any way. My E-mail posted earlier today was in response to a message posted by Donna Casey that arrived in my Inbox overnight and was not intended as a response to any message posted by yourself. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

It was Eyam. The Rector persuaded the villagers to stay there, after first sending his sons away. There is still a well there, where the people got their water to prevent contamination of the river, called The Plague Well I believe. The infection was taken there by a maid who was working in London, and she went home for a holiday. Its very sad to read all the inscriptions on the cottages. They were very brave people. Diane 10813.

There's A Social history of England 55 BC to AD 1215, by Ralph Arnold. Publisher: London: Constable; Toronto: Longmans Canada, [1967]. I thought there were intended to be further volumes through the years but cannot find them. There are a variety of series for occupations and / or within periods, eg Victorian. You've set yourself a very large task. Best wishes Judy Excell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Blaker" <rod.blaker@gmail.com> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: [SFHG] life in the ....century > Hi folks > > My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of > my > ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives > and > their extended families. > > To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll > by - > life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From > availability > of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and > education > and leisure time (was there any?) > > I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of > a > particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading > that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor > the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish > and > short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. > > Thanks > > Rod > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

DAILY LIVES OF OUR FORBEARS I recommend, for a start, "The Year 1000" by Lacey & Danziger ISBN 0 349 11278 9, which should be in your local library. Jumping ahead a bit, William Cobbett's "Rural Rides" (usually in two volumes) is another great read - about the life of ordinary people in the early 19th century. If you look up individual trades on Google, you can find a great deal of historical information. For example, I found a lot on brickmaking and bricklayers that way. You can also find many factual books on the lives of ordinary people in any good second-hand bookshop. We have a marvellous one here in Petersfield. Nasty and brutish it wasn't, from what I've read - short, in comparison with today, yes, but most people led full and happy lives nonetheless. Best wishes, Tony 9967 On 28/02/2008, Rod Blaker <rod.blaker@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi folks > > My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of > my > ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives > and > their extended families. > > To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll by > - > life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From > availability > of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and > education > and leisure time (was there any?) > > I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of > a > particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading > that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor > the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish > and > short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. > > Thanks > > Rod > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Found this and someone may be looking for this family Caravans Horeham Road, Waldron Sussex 1881 John Carter married, age 28, born Horsham, Head, Hawker Mary A. Wife, born Sussex, Hawker Amy Daughter age 5 born Sussex Henry Son, age 4 born Sussex Frederick Son age 1 born Sussex Mary Ann Son age 7 born Sussex. Heather

I suspect that the village of the book is Eyam. I remember staying in the YHA there, many years ago and telling my Scouts of the sacrifices that the villagers made. Graham 9038 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Warwick and Eleanor Dilley Sent: 28 February 2008 08:32 To: Dkn72a@aol.com Cc: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Plague I understand that it was from the bite of fleas which came from rats. So the plague came to Europe because of rats on ships bringing the crusaders back from the Middle East. Because it was from fleas, this made it possible for the plague to be transported in cloth for example, yet people nursing plague victims did not "catch" the plague from the victim, but only if they too were bitten by a flea carrying the virus. "Year of Wonders" by Geraldine Brooks is a work of fiction based on the real story of the village where plague broke out, and which isolated itself from all outside contact. I can thoroughly recommend it. Eleanor 11833 On 28 Feb 2008, at 15:40, Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: > Medically, what actually caused the Plague ? > > Diane 10813 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 27/02/2008 16:34 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 27/02/2008 16:34

That's almost right, but not quite. The Latin for John is Johannes. As there is no "J" in the Classical Latin alphabet, the name is often seen written as Iohannes; and this is abbreviated in some early documents to Ioh. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

Hi folks My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of my ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives and their extended families. To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll by - life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From availability of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and education and leisure time (was there any?) I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of a particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish and short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. Thanks Rod

To all who responded to my request for assistance, regarding the above, thankyou, I`m still trying to make sense of the links some of which don`t want to work. regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ

Hi Marion ditto! I think we were both replying to Donna, but about slightly different aspects of her original query. Kathleen Marion Woolgar <listmail2008@btinternet.com> wrote: Hello Kathleen, I hope that I have not inadvertently offended you in any way. My E-mail posted earlier today was in response to a message posted by Donna Casey that arrived in my Inbox overnight and was not intended as a response to any message posted by yourself. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Hi This could keep you going for ever. What sort of thing did you have in mind - fiction, popular non fiction, academic works, websites ...? In terms of what is in your local library, the 'history' non fiction will be under numbers which start with 9, unless it is a very rare library that doesn't use Dewey classification. But you might also be interested in things like the furniture your ancestors used or the houses they lived in - these will be in a 7 class, as they do not 'count' as history. Or did you have in mind going to the original sources and making up your own mind? Every history book is, after all, someone else's ideas based on the sources they have chosen to use, and sometimes they have an axe to grind in writing the book, although this may not be clear to the reader. Or perhaps even better, there might be a re-enactment group within reach of you. Most of these specialise in one period, such as the civil War or the viking era. They are generally dedicated to achieving authenticity, and it is probsbly the closest you could get to living as an ancestor did. Just a few ideas to be going on with. Kathleen Rod Blaker <rod.blaker@gmail.com> wrote: Hi folks My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of my ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives and their extended families. To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll by - life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From availability of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and education and leisure time (was there any?) I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of a particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish and short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. Thanks Rod ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Hi Perhaps it would be easier to spell it out in full (no pun intended). The Latin in ecclesiastical documents is by definition not classical Latin, and at the beginnings of many words, including many names, the first letter could appear quite happily and by no means consistently as either I or J. When referring to names I tend to favour J as it is easier to associate with the modern names which have developed from them, such as John from the Greek name which would be transliterated as Ioannis, there being no J in Greek either. It would be inconsistent with general modern practice to refer to Iulius Caesar. I don't think the original query was about the I/J question so didn't feel it necessary to explain it. Kathleen Marion Woolgar <listmail2008@btinternet.com> wrote: That's almost right, but not quite. The Latin for John is Johannes. As there is no "J" in the Classical Latin alphabet, the name is often seen written as Iohannes; and this is abbreviated in some early documents to Ioh. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Hi The full Latin from of John is Johannes, whixh gives rise to the abbreviation Johe. Kathleen Donna Casey <donnacasey@yahoo.com> wrote: I have found confirmation for the translation of the forename "Johe". I found it on Rootsweb and Ancestry.com. The old form of John (Latin) is Ioh (That is an "i" as in India). The "I" is equal to a "J". The Latin for John is then "Joh" and eventually changed to "Johe" and finally "John". I see it all the way through the Sussex subsidy lists from 1296 to 1332. Thanks for everyone's input. Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA 9674 If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

Hi all A classic work on the subject, written many years ago but still readily available, is Philip Ziegler's 'The Black Death'. Gruesome subject, but a very readable account of it. Kathleen Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: Medically, what actually caused the Plague ? Diane 10813 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.