As I search through the Subsidy lists found on British History OnLine for my ancestors, I have stumbled several times because the spellings of the early village names. Does anyone recognize the following village name? It was in the Rape of Hastings, Hundred of Colspore in 1296. Wyuelrug Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA 9674 If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck

The subject of the plague interests me a great deal. Plagues and illnesses have had huge influences over populations and nations since the beginning of time. I suggest a wonderful read for any of you with an interest in any period from 1100 AD to c1900 and particularly of interest to those with ancestors in England: The book is "Plagues and Peoples" by William H. McNeill Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck

Hi there Rod, The following very well researched historical novels by Edward Rutherfurd (not -ford) don't relate specifically to farming people, but cover more or less all walks of life, town and country, high-born and low-born, crafts and professions, etc etc. - from prehistoric times to today. He manages to portray the atmosphere of the different ages and periods very well. They are thick paperbacks and very good reading. SARUM - about Salisbury where Rutherfurd grew up I think, so he started there. THE FOREST - about the New Forest, much of rural life there from earliest times. LONDON - about the people who gravitated to London and their lives there. DUBLIN - just starting that so can't comment, except that my husband, brought up there, says it's very accurate. (IRELAND AWAKENING - not yet read RUSSKA - also not yet read, but I'm looking forward to see what he does with Russia!) If you want more titles let me know. Happy reading! Judith -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Rod Blaker Sent: 28 February 2008 13:32 To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] life in the ....century Hi folks My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of my ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives and their extended families. To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll by - life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From availability of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and education and leisure time (was there any?) I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of a particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish and short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. Thanks Rod ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1301 - Release Date: 27.Feb.2008 08:35 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 28.Feb.2008 12:14

Correction - I should have written ' everything in the house was taken out into the garden and burned.' The woman who told me lived next door. We must be very grateful, we are better protected now than our forebears were. Anyone interested in the 19th c. Cholera epidemics which account for many missing relatives, may be interested in ' The Blue Death: Disaster, disease and the water we drink' by Robert D.Morris One World publications £16.99 ISBN 978 185 1685 752. Diane 10813

Hi You don't by any chance remember the date and the address of the property concerned, do you? Given what you have been told, it couldn't have been that much of a secret, so I'd like to look into it a bit more. Kathleen Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: Correction - I should have written ' everything in the house was taken out into the garden and burned.' The woman who told me lived next door. We must be very grateful, we are better protected now than our forebears were. Anyone interested in the 19th c. Cholera epidemics which account for many missing relatives, may be interested in ' The Blue Death: Disaster, disease and the water we drink' by Robert D.Morris One World publications £16.99 ISBN 978 185 1685 752. Diane 10813 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Thanks for that website Mark. Years ago I remember people saying in Kettering that a woman had died in St.Peter's Ave. and there were black blotches on the palms of her hands. The MoH ordered all the furniture in the house to be burned in the garden, the whole house was sprayed, walls, ceilings, floors - and it was locked up for 6 months. Nothing was made public about it. Diane 10813

Found it ! (Merck Manual of Medical Information pps 866-867) it is a severe infection that is caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. Diane 10813

I`d like to suggest that you study life today in third world nations, for insight into our ancestors living conditions. History repeats itself. My opinion only, regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Blaker" <rod.blaker@gmail.com> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: [SFHG] life in the ....century > Hi folks > > My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of > my > ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives > and > their extended families. > > To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll > by - > life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From > availability > of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and > education > and leisure time (was there any?) > > I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of > a > particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading > that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor > the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish > and > short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. > > Thanks > > Rod > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: > 27/02/2008 4:34 PM > >

There are two good Social Histories of England, the precise names of which I forget, but the standard work is by Trevelyan; there is also a more populist work by Asa Briggs, probably called "A Social History of England"! I'm sorry to have to tell Bob Waters this, but "Anne Hughes her Boke" was proved some years ago to be a fake! I have a copy published by the Folio Society, and the introduction is entirely taken up with a discussion of the book's authenticity, or lack of it. The writer comes down in favour, but a few years later there was a brief reference to it in a newspaper, saying that it had been proved fraudulent. I'm afraid I can't say how this was done, as the purported original had been lost, so it can't have been by dating the paper or ink. A good read, nevertheless, but no longer in the Folio Society's back list! Mike Snatt 4711 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod Blaker To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: [SFHG] life in the ....century Hi folks My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of my ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives and their extended families. To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll by - life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From availability of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and education and leisure time (was there any?) I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of a particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of reading that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, nor the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish and short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. Thanks Rod ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 27/02/2008 16:34

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:46:46 EST Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: Hello Dkn72a@aol.com, > But what was the infection that was in the bite of the fleas. Bubonic Plague or, in the vernacular, Black Death. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Now I found you out, I don't think you're so smart Who Are You - Black Sabbath

I understand that it was from the bite of fleas which came from rats. So the plague came to Europe because of rats on ships bringing the crusaders back from the Middle East. Because it was from fleas, this made it possible for the plague to be transported in cloth for example, yet people nursing plague victims did not "catch" the plague from the victim, but only if they too were bitten by a flea carrying the virus. "Year of Wonders" by Geraldine Brooks is a work of fiction based on the real story of the village where plague broke out, and which isolated itself from all outside contact. I can thoroughly recommend it. Eleanor 11833 On 28 Feb 2008, at 15:40, Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: > Medically, what actually caused the Plague ? > > Diane 10813 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello, I, too, am surprised about the baptism requirement. I have always understood that in cases where "Female" (or "Male") is shown it simply means that the child's forenames had not been decided when the birth was registered. Regards, Ken. (in West Sussex, UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: sfhg-request@rootsweb.com To: sfhg@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:41 PM Subject: SFHG Digest, Vol 3, Issue 88 2. Birth Certificates. (DAVID PRICE) 3. Smallpox (Barbara Sanders) 4. Re: Birth Certificates. (Jim Halsey) 5. Illness-Related Death (Barbara Sanders) 6. Name Abbreviation: "Johe"? (Donna Casey) 7. Birth Certificates. (DAVID PRICE) Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 09:41:47 +0000 (GMT) From: DAVID PRICE <davidlprice@btinternet.com> Subject: [SFHG] Birth Certificates. To: sfhg@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <281602.88710.qm@web86703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have hunted for my Gt.Gt.Grandmothers birth registration for over a year. I ordered a birth certificate which turned out to be an incorrect one. By chance came across the registration of "Female Baby" in the year, quarter and place which were quite likely and indeed it turned out to be my Gt.Gt.Grandmother. Cannot fully understand why she was not named as there was an 11 day gap between her birth and its registration. Just thought I'd pass this information on, in case anyone else like me has been searching for an ancestor/relation whom they couldn't find in the indexes. Jeanette Price Mem.11641. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:02:20 +0000 From: "Jim Halsey" <jehalsey@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Birth Certificates. To: "DAVID PRICE" <davidlprice@btinternet.com> Cc: sfhg@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <77a401200802270402w3c25c3f3rfdda326b6c44d2ca@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Jeanette, The application of the Act for the registration of BMDs was the cause of some irritation and indeed annoyance to many, if correspondence in the Times is anything to go by. One correspondent in late 1837 put the matter very clearly. I paraphrase :- The registrar called to register the birth before the child had been baptised and settled down to fill in the form. the first question was "when born ?". The second was "name, if any?". The correspondent answered "the child has not yet been baptised and therefore has no name." the registrar then asked for the proposed name.but the correspondent refused to give it, on the grounds that that the "proposed name" might not be the name at baptism. He was told that that name could be added after registration..However, the Registrar had "done his duty in registering the birth only and need not call again". If it were added the question then arose as to which of the two names, if different, is the legal name? In the case of a legacy that could prove "a fruitful caise of dispute". There is more, and it make interesting reading. It is not easy to put ourselves in the context our ancestors found themselves in more than 150 years ago, but they had their reasons for behaving as they did, even if some of their actions may seem seem strange to 21st c eyes. The registration of births brought problems previously not encountered and was not helped by the less than perfect drafting of the Act. Certainly those who resisted the new bureaucratic requirements have my sympathy, even if their objections have given me, and no doubt many others too, a good few problems over the years. Jim Halsey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:40:26 +0000 (GMT) From: DAVID PRICE <davidlprice@btinternet.com> Subject: [SFHG] Birth Certificates. To: jehalsy@gmail.com Cc: sfhg@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <505905.81156.qm@web86702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Jim, Very many thanks indeed for your interesting and comprehensive reply. It really surprises me to learn that children were required to be baptised before their birth could be registered. The birth certificate of my Gt. Grandmother arrived in the post this morning and she had been given a forename, although I know for sure that she was not baptised until a full month or more post the registration of her birth. This was in 1866 and her mother's birth was 20 yrs earlier in 1846, so maybe the registrars had become a little more "relaxed" by then!! David and I would be very interested to know when the letters were published in the Times re registrations of BMD's. We are regular readers, but this seems to have passed us by! Thanks once again for your help. Best wishes from : Jeanette Mem.11641 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Phew! That's a relief! Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Sanders" <bsandbed@tiscali.co.uk> To: <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] life in the ....century (Rod Blaker) Both of the Patricia Titles below are readily available from Abe Books. Robin > Warning, Rod: this can become obsessive. It's led me to spending my > retirement taking university history courses in > Sussex, London and Surrey! > On a lighter note I very much enjoyed a pair of books which are fictional, > but seem to be soundly based in the social > history of Sussex: > 'I am England' (1987) and 'That Near and Distant Place' (1989) by > Patricia Wright. > They are set in a Sussex Weald village, between them covering AD 70 to > 1987. One of its themes which will appeal to > family historians is the continuity of family characteristics and names, > and the recognition how a family can rise and > fall in society over the years. > Probably out of print now, but I've sometimes seen both in Corgi paperback > in charity shops (that's where I found > mine!). > Barbara Sanders > > > >> Hi folks >> >> My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of >> my >> ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives >> and >> their extended families. >> >> To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll >> by - >> life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From >> availability >> of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and >> education >> and leisure time (was there any?) >> >> I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of >> a >> particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of >> reading >> that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, >> nor >> the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish >> and >> short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. >> >> Thanks >> >> Rod > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2909 (20080228) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

It is possible the name changes to Hoad but am not sure marion Head

The Bubonic Plague was caused by a bacterium. There is a very interesting article on the Plague and it's relationship to susceptibility to the HIV virus on the PBS website ( http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/case_plague/clues.html). PBS is the equivalent to the BBC (of old) in the US. Regards Mark Milton 9750 On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:46:46 EST > Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: > > Hello Dkn72a@aol.com, > > > But what was the infection that was in the bite of the fleas. > > Bubonic Plague or, in the vernacular, Black Death. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > > Now I found you out, I don't think you're so smart > Who Are You - Black Sabbath > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I understood that cats never were a major predator of rats - they prefer small rodents and birds, which don't fight back. Rats are pretty fierce when cornered and cats will only go for them if there is no alternative food, such as on a ship for example. Tony 9967 On 28/02/2008, Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:31:50 +1100 > Warwick and Eleanor Dilley <dilleywe@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Hello Warwick, > > > I understand that it was from the bite of fleas which came from rats. > > At the time though, it was thought that cats were the problem. They > (cats) were slaughtered to try and reduce the plague. The irony > being, of course, that they were killing off one of the things that > could reduce the rat population. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > > We don't need no-one to tell us what's right or wrong > The Modern World - The Jam > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:31:50 +1100 Warwick and Eleanor Dilley <dilleywe@bigpond.net.au> wrote: Hello Warwick, > I understand that it was from the bite of fleas which came from rats. At the time though, it was thought that cats were the problem. They (cats) were slaughtered to try and reduce the plague. The irony being, of course, that they were killing off one of the things that could reduce the rat population. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" We don't need no-one to tell us what's right or wrong The Modern World - The Jam

A few website suggestions: Sussex Weald and Downland Museum http://www.wealddown.co.uk/ shows many buildings reascued and restored to as near "original" as possible from a variety of centuries and of varying status. Medieval English Towns http://www.trytel.com/~tristan/towns/towns.html has information on urban life and extensive bibliography for the earlier period. Farming http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/010136ernle/010136toc.htm. Gives the background within which you need to imagine your ancestors life A Chronology of State Medicine, Public Health, Welfare and Related Services in Britain: 1066 - 1999 http://www.chronology.org.uk/ - the State's role in health care. Not exactly what was asked for but may be of interest to some. BBC History site http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/ is well worth delving into. A particular favourite of mine is the Paston letters. Also the Spartacus educational site http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Sitemap.htm could help. I also enjoy the information that can be gleaned from paintings with due allowance for artistic licence. The country may be different but I doubt that English life would be that different. For example try Googling "Book of hours" or Brueghel and looking under the image category. HTH Chris Member #12513 A Blaker family researcher. Rod Blaker <rod.blaker@gmail.com> wrote: To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll by - life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From availability of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and education and leisure time (was there any?) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

For what it's worth: We shouldn't try to recapture the lives of those we can never truly know anything about; instead, try to write down everything you remember of your own childhood and the life you lead at present. We think we will always know everything about this time we live in, but so many of our personal details will not be recorded. For example, how many of us keep birthday cards? Memos? Emails? Receipts from the supermarket? What's your favourite flower? Yet these trivia are what make our lives, not the bare BMD bones. I'm only in my 50s but I can remember a completely different world to the one I live in now; smoky pubs, pea soupers, broken biscuits in their own box in Woolworths, days out in Bognor parking where we liked, no television and a valve radio - the list is endless and I'm not sure if my children would believe me! Georgina Colwell 10821 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SFHG Members Interests" <interests@sfhg.org.uk> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [SFHG] Reply : life in the ....century > There's > A Social history of England 55 BC to AD 1215, by Ralph Arnold. > Publisher: London: Constable; Toronto: Longmans Canada, [1967]. > > I thought there were intended to be further volumes through the years but > cannot find them. > > There are a variety of series for occupations and / or within periods, eg > Victorian. > > You've set yourself a very large task. > > Best wishes > > Judy Excell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Blaker" <rod.blaker@gmail.com> > To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:31 PM > Subject: [SFHG] life in the ....century > > >> Hi folks >> >> My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of >> my >> ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives >> and >> their extended families. >> >> To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll >> by - >> life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From >> availability >> of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and >> education >> and leisure time (was there any?) >> >> I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of >> a >> particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of >> reading >> that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, >> nor >> the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish >> and >> short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. >> >> Thanks >> >> Rod >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >