Donna The East Sussex library catalogue is online at http://e-library.eastsussex.gov.uk/ I can't find the exact book you are looking for, but there are several others by one of the authors, A. Mawer, including Sussex volumes. The first volume seema to be in most East Sussex libraries. Steve -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Donna Casey Sent: 01 March 2008 17:20 To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp Subject: [SFHG] English Place-Name Society? Copy of Volume7? My goodness, it is me again with yet another favour. As you may know I am preparing for another research trip to East Sussex. After much googling and library searches (I am 153 miles from the closest library with a copy of this book!) I have been unable to come up with the following information. Wondering if there is anyone who can help me. I am looking for the following publication printed in 1924 by The (Cambridge?) University Press, by the English Place Name Society. The following is the official name as you find it in a library catalogue: English Place-Name society : Survey of English place-names Vol 7, pages 254 & 532 From Volume #7, I need a copy of page 254 which speaks of Tillinghurst Farm and page 532 which speaks of Tillingham Farm. Further, if anyone knows a library in Lewes or Rye which may have a copy of this book Volume 7, I will then go to that library while we are there and get further information and copy further pages if necessary. Thank you to anyone who can help me with these 2 pages of information. If the information is short/brief and you can simply send it typed out in an email that will be very adequate. Appreciate any help I can get so as to make our visit efficient. Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>I have been following the suggestions given to Rod with a great deal >of interest because I have a similar gaol. My g grandfather was a >tenant farmer on various properties in the country to the north of >Lewes in the early 1800's until, we are told, the repeal of the >Corn Laws forced him to emigrate to New Zealand where he could, and >did, purchase land of his own. But what was life like for him and >his family in rural Sussex in the early part of Victoria's reign? >Many of the titles suggested appear to be general to England rather >than to Sussex or cover earlier days. Could I have some suggestions >please. Bryan Pannett 11480 > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barbara Sanders" <bsandbed@tiscali.co.uk> >To: <sfhg@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:01 PM >Subject: Re: [SFHG] life in the ....century (Rod Blaker) > >Both of the Patricia Titles below are readily available from Abe Books. >Robin > > >> Warning, Rod: this can become obsessive. It's led me to spending my >> retirement taking university history courses in >> Sussex, London and Surrey! >> On a lighter note I very much enjoyed a pair of books which are fictional, >> but seem to be soundly based in the social >> history of Sussex: >> 'I am England' (1987) and 'That Near and Distant Place' (1989) by >> Patricia Wright. >> They are set in a Sussex Weald village, between them covering AD 70 to >> 1987. One of its themes which will appeal to >> family historians is the continuity of family characteristics and names, >> and the recognition how a family can rise and >> fall in society over the years. >> Probably out of print now, but I've sometimes seen both in Corgi paperback >> in charity shops (that's where I found >> mine!). > > Barbara Sanders >> >----------------------------- -- --Bryan Pannett 64 Larsen Crescent, Tawa, Wellington 5028, New Zealand

Now we all now where the name Tillinghast came from ! Diane 10813

Thanks for the reply THere are loads of Heads they each follow the one name line eg mine is the Henry 1793 but he must have other family

I have found Mary Laseter born 1716 Pulborough with father John Laseter And John Laseter with spouse Martha Goble marriage feb 14 1716. Would anyone know if this is the same Mary Laseter who married James Carter at Pulborough 1739. Thank you Heather 9634

Thank you Marion and everyone else who helped me "instantly" find the pages I requested from "English Place Names....". Although I have had some of the information before, to have this will be indispensable in tracking the exact land/farm north of Rye. I have already found their land/farms in other areas. I am truly appreciative. Donna If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck

Can anyone please help me identify Horsham (or West Sussex) records that cover the period 1861-1876 and that might help me find out what happened to Lambert Allen? Lambert Allen was born in 1844 in Horsham, the youngest son of Alfred Allen and Mary Alberry. In my search to find out what happened to Lambert after 1861, I have learned quite a bit about both sides of his family, mainly from publications from Horsham Museum last year. Lambert's father Alfred was in court more than once, and in 1857 Alfred and his brother Dennett fled to America to avoid trial for defrauding the government of a considerable amount of excise duty on the malt they produced. The events called quite a stir at the time and the pair were referred to as the 'Notorious Allen Brothers' according to one account. Lambert, aged 16 at the time, may have gone with them, or may have stayed at home with his grandmother, but according to the 1861 Census both Alfred and Lambert were at home in Sussex with Lambert's elder sister Mary Matilda. That is the last definite location I have for Lambert, though I know he was still alive in 1866 because he is mentioned as a beneficiary of his father's will, though his whereabouts at that time was not recorded. Trade and Post Office directories for 1866, 1867, 1874, 1878 and 1882 do not make any mention of him, though his elder brother Alfred Alberry Allen is mentioned and so is his uncle Dennett, obviously also returned from America. Lambert's mother, Mary Alberry was the aunt of the local historian, William Alberry, who wrote several local history books and played a part in the foundation of the Horsham Museum. I know that the Museum holds a lot of papers that belonged to him and it is my intention, at my next visit to search some of the references I found in the indices to members of Lambert's family. However, since I couldn't find a reference to Lambert himself, I'm not expecting to find much about what happened to him. As you can imagine there are plenty of sources relating to these famous and infamous members of Lambert's family, and it would be easy to get distracted, but at this point in time what I really need to find are sources that could contain references to Lambert between 1861 and 1876 when he was 17-32 years old. I have good reason to believe that Lambert was my great great grandfather George Lambert Allen, who was living in Hartlepool by the time his daughter Susan was born in 1876, but I as yet I have not been able to find definite proof that they are one and the same. Searches have failed to turn up a marriage certificate that would give me the name of George Lambert Allen's father, and I suspect that George never married Susan's mother, Mary O'Brien, as I have an earlier marriage certificate for her to John Aldridge. They had a daughter, Eliza, and both John and Eliza are alive and well on the 1881 and 1891 census! I am hoping that by trying to fill in the missing years when Lambert disappears and George Lambert first appears, I can prove or disprove the connection between them, but not being local to Horsham myself, I don't really know what sources there might be, apart from trade directories that might help. - What were the schools in the area that he might have gone to? - Did he join up? What were the local regiments? - Were there any local schemes in the 1860's and 1870's that might have encouraged a farmer's son from Sussex to move to Hartlepool? - What local papers were there that might have been interested in the activities of the son of one of the 'Notorious Allen Brothers'? If you can tell me of any local records that might help me close the gap between 1861 and 1876, or already know what happened to Lambert Allen, I would be very grateful for your time in pointing me in the right direction. Thank you for your help, Sharon

My goodness, it is me again with yet another favour. As you may know I am preparing for another research trip to East Sussex. After much googling and library searches (I am 153 miles from the closest library with a copy of this book!) I have been unable to come up with the following information. Wondering if there is anyone who can help me. I am looking for the following publication printed in 1924 by The (Cambridge?) University Press, by the English Place Name Society. The following is the official name as you find it in a library catalogue: English Place-Name society : Survey of English place-names Vol 7, pages 254 & 532 From Volume #7, I need a copy of page 254 which speaks of Tillinghurst Farm and page 532 which speaks of Tillingham Farm. Further, if anyone knows a library in Lewes or Rye which may have a copy of this book Volume 7, I will then go to that library while we are there and get further information and copy further pages if necessary. Thank you to anyone who can help me with these 2 pages of information. If the information is short/brief and you can simply send it typed out in an email that will be very adequate. Appreciate any help I can get so as to make our visit efficient. Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck

Am just off down to the library to order one of the books on the list I copied from all the emails - for £1 ! If they are not on the County Library web, they get them from other branches, which entails another £2.50 postage, but well worth it. Information about Sussex can be extracted. Diane 10813.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Austen" <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> To: "Georgina Colwell" <georgina@musicair.co.uk> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Carter > why do you think he changed his name? JA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Georgina Colwell" <georgina@musicair.co.uk> > To: "Graham.Noyce" <graham.noyce@ntlworld.com>; "Heather Guit" > <pguit@execulink.com>; <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Carter > > >> Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? >> >> Georgina >> 10821 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Graham.Noyce" <graham.noyce@ntlworld.com> >> To: "Heather Guit" <pguit@execulink.com>; <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Carter >> >> >>> Calling your son Mary Ann is not exactly making his life an easy one is >>> it? >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On >>> Behalf >>> Of Heather Guit >>> Sent: 28 February 2008 18:32 >>> To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [SFHG] Carter >>> >>> Found this and someone may be looking for this family >>> >>> Caravans Horeham Road, Waldron Sussex 1881 >>> >>> John Carter married, age 28, born Horsham, Head, Hawker >>> Mary A. Wife, born Sussex, Hawker >>> Amy Daughter age 5 born Sussex >>> Henry Son, age 4 born Sussex >>> Frederick Son age 1 born Sussex >>> Mary Ann Son age 7 born Sussex. >>> >>> Heather >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: >>> 27/02/2008 >>> 16:34 >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: >>> 28/02/2008 >>> 12:14 >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: >> 28/02/2008 12:14 PM >> >

Firstly, there isn't a Hundred of Colspore - there is a Hundred of Goldspur in the Rape of Hastings. It was the 42nd Hundred in Sussex. It contains the parishes of Beckley, Broomhill, East Guldeford, Iden, Peasmarsh and Playden. Within the parish of Peasmarsh, there is a place name of Wivelridge which has been spelt very peculiarly in old documents - as Wyueregg, Wyuelerugg, Wyueleregge, and Welmeregge - it means "weevil-infested hill". Perhaps fortunately then, it is a place that has now disappeared from the landscape. All found in "The Place Names of Sussex" by Mawer, Stenton and Gover. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Casey" <donnacasey@yahoo.com> To: "SFHG SxFamHXGrp" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: [SFHG] Wyuelrug? The current town name? As I search through the Subsidy lists found on British History OnLine for my ancestors, I have stumbled several times because the spellings of the early village names. Does anyone recognize the following village name? It was in the Rape of Hastings, Hundred of Colspore in 1296. Wyuelrug Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA 9674 If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone: I’m new to your mailing list. I’ve found a relative, Lilly Streeter, in the 1901 census listed as an “inmate” in a home for girls on Warleigh Road, Preston, Brighton. Can anyone suggest where I might find out more about this place? Melody Richardson          

There is also by Hoke, Helen L Fleas: their intricate lives and plague-y history, illustrated with photographs and line drawings by James Robins, published London: F Watts, 1973. Details courtesy of British Library Integrated Catalogue. Judy Excell SFHG 26 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Brooke" <judith.brooke@btinternet.com> To: <Dkn72a@aol.com>; <brad@fineby.me.uk>; <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Plague > Hi there Diane, > According to a (I think very well researched) historical novel I've just > read ('London' by Edward Rutherfurd), rats carried the plague in their > blood > stream, and I think I understand from the book that they died from it. > Fleas feeding on infected rats' blood received the infection and passed it > on to their next 'host'. The book doesn't say how the rats got the > infection but it does give more details on what happened to the flea, > which > might be perhaps a little too graphic to quote here. > > Judith 10915 >

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:04:46 EST JeanAUK@aol.com wrote: Hello JeanAUK@aol.com, > John Wayne was Marion Morrison , very confusing and then there are > the Hilary's etc Like Sir Edmund, you mean? :-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" He looked the wrong way at a policeman I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs

Diane, You were asking someone else for ISBNs so here's the info on the book 'London' I talked about in my last email: LONDON, Edward Rutherfurd (not -ford), 1997 IBSN 0 09 920191 7 All the best, Judith 10915 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Dkn72a@aol.com Sent: 28 February 2008 19:47 To: brad@fineby.me.uk; sfhg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] Plague But what was the infection that was in the bite of the fleas ? We still have fleas nowadays. Diane 10813. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 28.Feb.2008 12:14 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1304 - Release Date: 29.Feb.2008 08:18

Hi there Diane, According to a (I think very well researched) historical novel I've just read ('London' by Edward Rutherfurd), rats carried the plague in their blood stream, and I think I understand from the book that they died from it. Fleas feeding on infected rats' blood received the infection and passed it on to their next 'host'. The book doesn't say how the rats got the infection but it does give more details on what happened to the flea, which might be perhaps a little too graphic to quote here. Judith 10915 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Dkn72a@aol.com Sent: 28 February 2008 19:47 To: brad@fineby.me.uk; sfhg@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] Plague But what was the infection that was in the bite of the fleas ? We still have fleas nowadays. Diane 10813. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 28.Feb.2008 12:14 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.2/1304 - Release Date: 29.Feb.2008 08:18

Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? Georgina 10821 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham.Noyce" <graham.noyce@ntlworld.com> To: "Heather Guit" <pguit@execulink.com>; <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Carter > Calling your son Mary Ann is not exactly making his life an easy one is > it? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf > Of Heather Guit > Sent: 28 February 2008 18:32 > To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFHG] Carter > > Found this and someone may be looking for this family > > Caravans Horeham Road, Waldron Sussex 1881 > > John Carter married, age 28, born Horsham, Head, Hawker > Mary A. Wife, born Sussex, Hawker > Amy Daughter age 5 born Sussex > Henry Son, age 4 born Sussex > Frederick Son age 1 born Sussex > Mary Ann Son age 7 born Sussex. > > Heather > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: > 27/02/2008 > 16:34 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: > 28/02/2008 > 12:14 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Calling your son Mary Ann is not exactly making his life an easy one is it? Graham -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Heather Guit Sent: 28 February 2008 18:32 To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Carter Found this and someone may be looking for this family Caravans Horeham Road, Waldron Sussex 1881 John Carter married, age 28, born Horsham, Head, Hawker Mary A. Wife, born Sussex, Hawker Amy Daughter age 5 born Sussex Henry Son, age 4 born Sussex Frederick Son age 1 born Sussex Mary Ann Son age 7 born Sussex. Heather ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: 27/02/2008 16:34 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: 28/02/2008 12:14

I ordered them from Abe yesterday evening: 50p each plus £4.74 p&p! Still copies left I believe. Cheers Richard [7187] ----- Original Message ---- From: Robin Coates <robin.coates1@btinternet.com> To: Barbara Sanders <bsandbed@tiscali.co.uk>; sfhg@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 28 February, 2008 6:52:43 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] life in the ....century (Rod Blaker) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Sanders" <bsandbed@tiscali.co.uk> To: <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] life in the ....century (Rod Blaker) Both of the Patricia Titles below are readily available from Abe Books. Robin > Warning, Rod: this can become obsessive. It's led me to spending my > retirement taking university history courses in > Sussex, London and Surrey! > On a lighter note I very much enjoyed a pair of books which are fictional, > but seem to be soundly based in the social > history of Sussex: > 'I am England' (1987) and 'That Near and Distant Place' (1989) by > Patricia Wright. > They are set in a Sussex Weald village, between them covering AD 70 to > 1987. One of its themes which will appeal to > family historians is the continuity of family characteristics and names, > and the recognition how a family can rise and > fall in society over the years. > Probably out of print now, but I've sometimes seen both in Corgi paperback > in charity shops (that's where I found > mine!). > Barbara Sanders > > > >> Hi folks >> >> My goal with this genealogy is make make a gift of a story - the story of >> my >> ancestors and their lives in their times - to my descendants, relatives >> and >> their extended families. >> >> To do that I need a very good grasp of daily life as the centuries roll >> by - >> life on the farm, life as a house carpenter and so forth. From >> availability >> of horses, to nature of farming, to dentistry and health care and >> education >> and leisure time (was there any?) >> >> I read the suggestion of "Larks Rise" but that is I presume a snapshot of >> a >> particular moment. Does anyone have a suggestion about the type of >> reading >> that can take me from say 1000 to 2000 ? Not the life of the wealthy, >> nor >> the abject poor - the common man - and woman and child. Nasty, brutish >> and >> short, I understand; but a bit more detail needed. >> >> Thanks >> >> Rod > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 2909 (20080228) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Wayne was Marion Morrison , very confusing and then there are the Hilary's etc Jean 10774 in damp Wiltshire In a message dated 29/02/2008 13:51:29 GMT Standard Time, georgina@musicair.co.uk writes: Wasn't John Wayne a Marion? Georgina 10821 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham.Noyce" <graham.noyce@ntlworld.com> To: "Heather Guit" <pguit@execulink.com>; <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Carter > Calling your son Mary Ann is not exactly making his life an easy one is > it? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf > Of Heather Guit > Sent: 28 February 2008 18:32 > To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFHG] Carter > > Found this and someone may be looking for this family > > Caravans Horeham Road, Waldron Sussex 1881 > > John Carter married, age 28, born Horsham, Head, Hawker > Mary A. Wife, born Sussex, Hawker > Amy Daughter age 5 born Sussex > Henry Son, age 4 born Sussex > Frederick Son age 1 born Sussex > Mary Ann Son age 7 born Sussex. > > Heather > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1302 - Release Date: > 27/02/2008 > 16:34 > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.1/1303 - Release Date: > 28/02/2008 > 12:14 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message