Hello all. Can anyone tell me what record of death would exist for someone who died at sea (on the Titanic in this case) and whose body was not recovered? Claire Wickens

My father in law, Pierre Renaud, claimed to have had 'a relationship' with the comedy actress Beatice Lillie which I imagine would taken place between say 1928 and 1936. I have purchased and read Beatrice's autobiography 'Every Other Inch a Lady' which leaves me tantalisingly close to finding evidence of this relationship but, at the same time, somewhat confused. The autobiography was written in 1973 which may account for one or two errors that I have found relating to her life in London, the period that interests me. I would love to hear from anyone who has a good knowledge of Beatrice or who could suggest where I might look for more details of her early life. With many thanks. Robin

Hello. I would be gratgeful to anyone who can help me find the parents and date of baptism of LUKE TESTER which I believe took place about 1820, possibly in Buxted. Many thanks, Robin

Hi Robin, There is another book Beatrice Lillie; the funniest woman in the world by Bruce Laffrey, published by Robson Books in 1990. Apparently it is a more honest account of her life. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Coates Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 9:03 AM To: SFHG Subject: [SFHG] Beatrice Lillie. My father in law, Pierre Renaud, claimed to have had 'a relationship' with the comedy actress Beatice Lillie which I imagine would taken place between say 1928 and 1936. I have purchased and read Beatrice's autobiography 'Every Other Inch a Lady' which leaves me tantalisingly close to finding evidence of this relationship but, at the same time, somewhat confused. The autobiography was written in 1973 which may account for one or two errors that I have found relating to her life in London, the period that interests me. I would love to hear from anyone who has a good knowledge of Beatrice or who could suggest where I might look for more details of her early life. With many thanks. Robin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Alan, Thanks for this information. Incidentally Thomas Avis Pannett , Elizabeth and Sarah were all from the same family. The "Avis" comes from the maiden name of their mother. "Aves" is a miss reading of the original script. Bryan 11480 > >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:29:56 +0000 >From: webmaster@sfhg.org.uk >Subject: Re: [SFHG] North Street, Lewes >To: Bryan Pannett <bryanp@paradise.net.nz> >Cc: sfhg@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <47EA33B4.5050500@sfhg.org.uk> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >In passing, the SMI CD shows someone of that name as a witness a few >parishes away from Lewes. > >Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: >Place: Plumpton, East Sussex, Date: 17 May 1834: >Subject: Henry HOADLEY, Chailey >Spouse: Elizabeth PANNETT, otp (B) >Extra Information: Witness wit: Thos Aves PANNETT; Sarah PANNETT > >Alan > > > > >------------------------------ > -- --Bryan Pannett

Thank you Judy and Kay. That makes sense as other bits of land he described as 'some short time since purchased of Mr. ' Farmers seem to have used closes of land scattered all over the place then. Margaret _____ From: k morris [mailto:morrisk32002@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:40 AM To: M. Major; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] wording in will Hello Margaret, I agree with Judy that the wording usually means that the 'holding' the land is the tenant. The owner is the person he holds it 'of'. Kathleen "M. Major" <joyesmaj@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Hello Listers I have a will written in 1787 with wording ' I bequeath unto my son Joseph all my estate term and interest in the law of the two farms situate aforesaid which I hold of Mr . and Mr . Am I right in thinking that 'hold to' meant that these farms were leased to the two men named? Margaret Major #5836 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http:/tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/ca tegory.php?category=shopping> them fast with Yahoo! Search.

My ggrandfather, TA Pannett lived at North Street, St Johns ,Lewis when he married in 1838. He doesn't appear to have been caught up in any of the census information around this time so is there any way of finding out where in the street he lived, etc. Was the area residential or rural? Bryan Pannett 11480 -- --Bryan Pannett

The top part of North Street is residential and whilst not an expert at dating buildings my guess is that it was in 1838. The lower part of the street is more industrialised and the buildings there I would place at being later, though some may be rebuilds over older properties. Parts of North Street are now car parks unfortunately. St John's street is just behind North Street. The houses in Little East Street, a turning of North Street are look old enough to be in the right period. Tigger

Hello Only guessing but I would assume the contrary, that he leased the farms from the two men. Judy Excell SFHG 26 ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Major" <joyesmaj@xtra.co.nz> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: [SFHG] wording in will > Hello Listers > > I have a will written in 1787 with wording ' I bequeath unto my son > Joseph > all my estate term and interest in the law of the two farms situate > aforesaid which I hold of Mr . and Mr . > > Am I right in thinking that 'hold to' meant that these farms were leased > to > the two men named? > > > > Margaret Major #5836 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

In passing, the SMI CD shows someone of that name as a witness a few parishes away from Lewes. Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: Place: Plumpton, East Sussex, Date: 17 May 1834: Subject: Henry HOADLEY, Chailey Spouse: Elizabeth PANNETT, otp (B) Extra Information: Witness wit: Thos Aves PANNETT; Sarah PANNETT Alan Bryan Pannett wrote: > My ggrandfather, TA Pannett lived at North Street, St Johns ,Lewis > when he married in 1838. He doesn't appear to have been caught up in > any of the census information around this time so is there any way of > finding out where in the street he lived, etc. Was the area > residential or rural? > Bryan Pannett > 11480 >

Hello Listers I have a will written in 1787 with wording ' I bequeath unto my son Joseph all my estate term and interest in the law of the two farms situate aforesaid which I hold of Mr . and Mr . Am I right in thinking that 'hold to' meant that these farms were leased to the two men named? Margaret Major #5836

Hello Margaret, I agree with Judy that the wording usually means that the 'holding' the land is the tenant. The owner is the person he holds it 'of'. Kathleen "M. Major" <joyesmaj@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Hello Listers I have a will written in 1787 with wording ' I bequeath unto my son Joseph all my estate term and interest in the law of the two farms situate aforesaid which I hold of Mr . and Mr . Am I right in thinking that 'hold to' meant that these farms were leased to the two men named? Margaret Major #5836 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Hello Stella, There are two main cemeteries in East Grinstead, the now closed Queens Road cemetery, but the more likely one is Mount Noddy. Both are maintained by East Grinstead Town Council. Their website address is: www.eastgrinstead.gov.uk Cremations are generally at the privately run Surrey and Sussex Crematorium, Balcombe Rd, Crawley, RH10 3NQ. I'm afraid I don't know what either of their policies are as regards looking up records. Regards, Phil

-------Original Message------- Subject: [SXP] Looking for MASSER Burials Wondered if anyone could help. I am looking for the burials of Eadie (after 1968) & Alf Masser (after 1945) somewhere in East Grinstead, West Sussex. Any suggestions Stella ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message .

Can anyone help explain please. According to my SMI CD:- Henry SCOTT of Horsted Keynes married Ann MEDHURST otp (lic) at Buxted on 2 April 1800. Further, Henry SCOTT bach 18+ of Horsted Keynes wco of Elizabeth SCOTT wid otsp married Ann MEDHURST sp 21+ of Buxted by Licence on 1 April 1803. Why would apparently the same people get married again 3 years later? Is there a typo error, because clearly the same person cannot be a bachelor or spinster 3 years after they got married, or have I missed something like a licence granted retrospectively, if that is possible. Regards Peter Trill 7775

Graham Hardwicke's Marriage Act. Marriages had to be performed by C of E clergyman unless Jew or Quaker. The marriage in the RC church would not be legal. After 1837 they could have had the registrar at the RC wedding. Judy Excell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham.Noyce" <graham.noyce@ntlworld.com> To: "SFHG" <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 9:41 AM Subject: [SFHG] an odd one Hello Listers, I know it's the wrong county but all the experts appear to be in Sussex. I wondered if someone could offer an explanation for these entries from the Hampshire Marriage Index? 26 Oct 1829 Winkworth John Noyce Frances Otterborne 25 Oct 1829 Winkworth John Noyce Frances Brambridge & Highbridge RC They appear to have married in the RC church one day and again in the parish church the next day - I can't imagine either priest would be best pleased! Graham 9038 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.212) Database version: 5.09470 http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham I can't explain why a child would be baptised in both C of E and RC churches unless there was some conflict of religion in the family. Perhaps the idea was to give the child the opportunity to follow either religion by covering both bases! However the situation is by no means unique and still occurred in the 20th century. My mother in law was baptised THREE times. The first time in the C of E parish church in 1911 and then in 1915 in the local RC church and then again in the local RC church in 1917. She then went on to be married in the C of E parish church and all her children were baptised C of E. Her husband who came from a seriously protestant family, predeceased her and in her old age she lived in sheltered accommodation where she was happy to receive visits from representatives of all the Christian religions (again keeping all bases covered!!). Before she died she requested that her funeral should take place in the local RC church. The only possible explanation for this was that her grandmother came from Kilkenny in Ireland and so probably was Catholic. This grandmother was still alive when my mother in law was born but in her eighties and so perhaps as the matriarch she exerted some pressure on her son to get his daughter baptised as a catholic. During this period some of her siblings were also baptised as catholic when of school age and the only reason for the second RC baptism that I can think of is that her parents forgot that she had already been baptised as a catholic. Kind regards Roger ----- Original Message ---- From: Graham.Noyce <graham.noyce@ntlworld.com> To: SFHG <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2008 9:41:58 AM Subject: [SFHG] an odd one Hello Listers, I know it’s the wrong county but all the experts appear to be in Sussex. I wondered if someone could offer an explanation for these entries from the Hampshire Marriage Index? 26 Oct 1829 Winkworth John Noyce Frances Otterborne 25 Oct 1829 Winkworth John Noyce Frances Brambridge & Highbridge RC They appear to have married in the RC church one day and again in the parish church the next day – I can’t imagine either priest would be best pleased! Graham 9038 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.212) Database version: 5.09470 http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. More Ways to Keep in Touch. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hello Listers, I know it’s the wrong county but all the experts appear to be in Sussex. I wondered if someone could offer an explanation for these entries from the Hampshire Marriage Index? 26 Oct 1829 Winkworth John Noyce Frances Otterborne 25 Oct 1829 Winkworth John Noyce Frances Brambridge & Highbridge RC They appear to have married in the RC church one day and again in the parish church the next day – I can’t imagine either priest would be best pleased! Graham 9038 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1339 - Release Date: 22/03/2008 16:43 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.212) Database version: 5.09470 http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor/

Do any listers have a George Hunter who married Harriet Teeling in 1803 in their tree? George Hunter was born about 1772 in Hove and Harriet was born about 1781 possibly from Eastbourne. Any info much appreciated. Thanks Diana

Can anyone help? I am trying to find out what happened to Florence Olive Bailey, granddaughter of Louisa Starr (nee Noakes) Florence was born 26 May 1915 in Langney, Westham nr Eastbourne. Was she the only daughter of Florence Lillian Bailey (nee Starr) and Henry John Bailey? Henry was 3rd engineer on SS Westmoreland. Did he survive the war? Anyone any suggestions how I can find out what happened to Florence Olive Bailey? Julian Noakes 11756