Robin, As an afterthought ( should have been a forethought ! ) what do the BTs show? Do they have the notes too ? Jim Halsey
Hello Robin, Further to Marion's email the bond was essentially protection given to the issuer of the licence that the the licence had not been obtained fraudulently i.e. that the statements in the Allegation (sometimes called an Affidavit) were correct and that there were no impediments to the marriage. Any such impediments would have been exoected to be disclosed had the marriage been through the public announcements of banns. As neither being a spinster nor being a widow introduced an impediment - it is perhaps just possible that either the bond or the affidavit slipped through the legal net. The parson is unlikely to have seen the bond, which would have been given to the Diocesan authorities prior to the issue of the licence and held by them as their guarantee that, should the licence have been obtained fraudulently, they would be able to recover, on demand,, not through the courts, a substantial sum to protect themselves against claims that they had acted improperly . Such recovery would be from either or both the Obligor ( usually the groom) and the Guarantor (usually a relative of substantial means or perhaps a professional surety,who would charge a fee for his signature based upon his assessment of the risks). Were the notes in the register made at a later date and by whom ? . As Marion makes clear you should search for the original documents - Registers, Allegation, Bond and Licence. You will be very lucky if you find them all ! Jim Halsey On 15/04/2008, Marion Woolgar <listmail2008@btinternet.com> wrote: > > The process of issuing a Marriage Licence involved three pieces of paper. > There is the Allegation which was a sworn statement by both parties of > their > intention to marry. There was the Bond, an assurance given by the > prospective Bridegroom plus at least one other person in which a surety of > money was given that the couple would be married in a specified church or > chapel. These two documents were kept by the Diocesan registry. In > return > the latter issued a Marriage Licence to the couple which was their > permission from the Bishop to marry without the benefit of Banns being > read > on three consecutive Sunday's. The Licence was valid for three months. > > To determine what has happened in this particular case, it will be > necessary > to examine the Allegation and Bond at the Record Office (if they have > survived) and compare the details with those shown in the Marriage > Register. > Very occasionally, the Marriage Licence may have been kept by the Parish > Clerk and may later find its way into the Record Office too, but this is > rare. > > Best wishes > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > SFHG NO: 3323 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Laura, The Royal Marines were raised and maintained by the Admiralty, ie part of the Royal Navy, so if you are looking in Army records he's not likely to be there. Martin.
The process of issuing a Marriage Licence involved three pieces of paper. There is the Allegation which was a sworn statement by both parties of their intention to marry. There was the Bond, an assurance given by the prospective Bridegroom plus at least one other person in which a surety of money was given that the couple would be married in a specified church or chapel. These two documents were kept by the Diocesan registry. In return the latter issued a Marriage Licence to the couple which was their permission from the Bishop to marry without the benefit of Banns being read on three consecutive Sunday's. The Licence was valid for three months. To determine what has happened in this particular case, it will be necessary to examine the Allegation and Bond at the Record Office (if they have survived) and compare the details with those shown in the Marriage Register. Very occasionally, the Marriage Licence may have been kept by the Parish Clerk and may later find its way into the Record Office too, but this is rare. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323
Could someone find in 1861 census Harriet Cruttenden (Crittenden) born ABT 1830 Greys, Essex, probably with one of her daughters Louisa Emma Cruttenden born 1849 ST. George in theEast Sarah Ann Cruttenden born 1850 St. George in the East Harriett Alice Cruttenden born 1857 London, Middlesex Harriett's husband Nathaniel Cruttenden died 1859 and I haven't been able to Find her in 1861. I have all other years. She married again in 1864 to David Peters at Medway. Thank you Heather
Hi Laura I'm sorry the A J Cunningham I have traced was registered the third quarter 1940 aged 43 If this is him then why are we looking in WW1 medal records, surely he would only be aged 7 when world war one broke out, If by chance you are looking for is records world war two you have to write to minister of defence Where they will conduct search for you for a fee of £30.00 non returnable, unless you are next of kin the widow , then it would be issued free of charge, as HMS Peregrine was a royal navy airfield in Ford, It is more than likely that he was Royal Military Police, Please bear in mind that mistake's are made on certificates, the word misheard perhaps, marine mistaken for military, all quite simply a spelling mistake, Terry 8298 bobthebear@talktalk.net wrote: Hi everyone Thanks for the replies. He was definately a Royal Marine Policeman (states this on his military death certificate).He was posted at HMS Peregrine (RNAS Ford) when he was killed. Have googled Royal Marine Police but only came up with Wickiepidia.Cannot narrow down his WW1 medal card as there is more than 1 A.J.Cunningham. Very frustrating Laura -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mitchell <us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com; bobthebear@talktalk.net Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 7:45 Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Laura; are you certain this man was a Royal Marine? I have been tempted into wondering whether you're extrapolating from "RMP", which itself would be more likely, first off, to indicate Royal Military Police. Martin Mitchell (10977) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
At a guess, I think the 'bond' might refer to the marriage licence. If so, then 'Spinster' must be correct, as it seems unlikely that a widow would need to give bond. The only affidavit I am aware of is the one which used to be required as evidence that a body was 'buried in woollen' - but this event is a marriage! Puzzling, I agree. Mike Snatt ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Coates To: SFHG Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: [SFHG] Bride (in Bond)(Widow in Affidavit) Hello. I am curious about the notes made in a Parish Register re a marriage in 1811 where the bride, Hannah Streeter, is shown as 'sp in bond (Wid in Affidavit) 21+'. Data from SMI. I take 'sp' to mean spinster and 'wid' to mean widow and would be interested to her how she can be both a spinster and a widow and I would also like to know exactly what 'in bond' meant. Finally, in the 1861 census she is listed as a widow and, under occupation, as 'Peasant'. Why a peasant rather than an 'ag lab'?. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. With many thanks. Robin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1376 - Release Date: 13/04/2008 13:45
Hi Laura I forgot to say,( correct me if I'm wrong) but I do believe (HMS Peregrine ) was royal navy airfield in Ford, TERRY bobthebear@talktalk.net wrote: Hi everyone Thanks for the replies. He was definately a Royal Marine Policeman (states this on his military death certificate).He was posted at HMS Peregrine (RNAS Ford) when he was killed. Have googled Royal Marine Police but only came up with Wickiepidia.Cannot narrow down his WW1 medal card as there is more than 1 A.J.Cunningham. Very frustrating Laura -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mitchell <us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com; bobthebear@talktalk.net Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 7:45 Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Laura; are you certain this man was a Royal Marine? I have been tempted into wondering whether you're extrapolating from "RMP", which itself would be more likely, first off, to indicate Royal Military Police. Martin Mitchell (10977) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Laura Have a look at this site you may find some answers in their, http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/marines/?homepage=mh-marines Terry bobthebear@talktalk.net wrote: Hi everyone Thanks for the replies. He was definately a Royal Marine Policeman (states this on his military death certificate).He was posted at HMS Peregrine (RNAS Ford) when he was killed. Have googled Royal Marine Police but only came up with Wickiepidia.Cannot narrow down his WW1 medal card as there is more than 1 A.J.Cunningham. Very frustrating Laura -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mitchell <us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com; bobthebear@talktalk.net Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 7:45 Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Laura; are you certain this man was a Royal Marine? I have been tempted into wondering whether you're extrapolating from "RMP", which itself would be more likely, first off, to indicate Royal Military Police. Martin Mitchell (10977) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have found the following against the father's name to a baptism in Newfoundland - Pt. RNCO's (I take it the Pt.means Private) Could somebody please tell me what these initials stand for. Thank you. The baptism took place in 1862
Good point Joe and many lied about their age so its possible regards Jean In a message dated 15/04/2008 20:48:19 GMT Standard Time, austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au writes: Someone who was 43 in 1940 would have been 17 in 1914, Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERENCE MORLEY" <t.roym@btinternet.com> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Hi Laura I'm sorry the A J Cunningham I have traced was registered the third quarter 1940 aged 43 If this is him then why are we looking in WW1 medal records, surely he would only be aged 7 when world war one broke out, If by chance you are looking for is records world war two you have to write to minister of defence Where they will conduct search for you for a fee of £30.00 non returnable, unless you are next of kin the widow , then it would be issued free of charge, as HMS Peregrine was a royal navy airfield in Ford, It is more than likely that he was Royal Military Police, Please bear in mind that mistake's are made on certificates, the word misheard perhaps, marine mistaken for military, all quite simply a spelling mistake, Terry 8298 bobthebear@talktalk.net wrote: Hi everyone Thanks for the replies. He was definately a Royal Marine Policeman (states this on his military death certificate).He was posted at HMS Peregrine (RNAS Ford) when he was killed. Have googled Royal Marine Police but only came up with Wickiepidia.Cannot narrow down his WW1 medal card as there is more than 1 A.J.Cunningham. Very frustrating Laura -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mitchell <us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com; bobthebear@talktalk.net Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 7:45 Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Laura; are you certain this man was a Royal Marine? I have been tempted into wondering whether you're extrapolating from "RMP", which itself would be more likely, first off, to indicate Royal Military Police. Martin Mitchell (10977) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 14/04/2008 9:26 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi everyone Thanks for the replies. He was definately a Royal Marine Policeman (states this on his military death certificate).He was posted at HMS Peregrine (RNAS Ford) when he was killed. Have googled Royal Marine Police but only came up with Wickiepidia.Cannot narrow down his WW1 medal card as there is more than 1 A.J.Cunningham. Very frustrating Laura -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mitchell <us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com; bobthebear@talktalk.net Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 7:45 Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Laura; are you certain this man was a Royal Marine? I have been tempted into wondering whether you're extrapolating from "RMP", which itself would be more likely, first off, to indicate Royal Military Police. Martin Mitchell (10977)
Hi Laura I think Martin is right. The Royal Marines would have shared policing with the Regulating Branch of the Royal Navy. Eastney Barracks at Southsea now has only a RM museum. The rest was sold off for development. Alan 10469 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Mitchell" <us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com>; <bobthebear@talktalk.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police > Laura; are you certain this man was a Royal Marine? I have been tempted > into wondering whether you're extrapolating from "RMP", which itself would > be more likely, first off, to indicate Royal Military Police. > Martin Mitchell (10977) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Laura; are you certain this man was a Royal Marine? I have been tempted into wondering whether you're extrapolating from "RMP", which itself would be more likely, first off, to indicate Royal Military Police. Martin Mitchell (10977)
I would like to second that too! I thoroughly enjoyed the speakers and putting faces to some of the names I have been reading about for so many years. This was the first time I was able to attend the conference in over 30 (I think) years of membership! Many thanks to all involved. I know from experience in Canada what is involved in organising such an event. Best regards, Christine Jackson SFHG Ottawa, Canada (currently in Brighton, Sussex) Brenda Judd <bj@windmillway.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote: May I say a big thank you to all who had a hand in arranging the Annual Conference today. The three speakers were excellent, entertaining us with their knowledge, wit and humour on three different subjects and the lunch was very good if not so varied as in previous years. A very enjoyable day! Brenda Judd bj@windmillway.wanadoo.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
Hi Listers, Can anybody help me find info on a Royal Marine Policeman killed 18 August 1940? Have his death cert already.Have tried to contact Royal Marines Museum At Southsea but no replies to my phone calls or emails. Am trying to find out what criteria there was to join Marines Police and what service he did in WW1. Hope you can help. Laura Lee
Can anyone help me find the location of the Brooklands Orphanage in Worthing in the 1930's? My friends father was there for a few years and would be interested to know if the building still exists. Thanks for any help Liz
Hello. I am curious about the notes made in a Parish Register re a marriage in 1811 where the bride, Hannah Streeter, is shown as 'sp in bond (Wid in Affidavit) 21+'. Data from SMI. I take 'sp' to mean spinster and 'wid' to mean widow and would be interested to her how she can be both a spinster and a widow and I would also like to know exactly what 'in bond' meant. Finally, in the 1861 census she is listed as a widow and, under occupation, as 'Peasant'. Why a peasant rather than an 'ag lab'?. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. With many thanks. Robin
Send them to me, Barbara. I've amended the page. Alan Barbara Sanders wrote: > I'm hoping to identify the seaside location of a family photo. > However, when I access the SFHG "Photo Gallery", there is a link to send comments about the pictures displayed, but no > means of sending one in. Or am I missing something? > Barbara Sanders > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >
I'm hoping to identify the seaside location of a family photo. However, when I access the SFHG "Photo Gallery", there is a link to send comments about the pictures displayed, but no means of sending one in. Or am I missing something? Barbara Sanders