It is a term used, generally, in the United States. I have Legacy Family Tree software [which is American] and that uses the term Grand rather than Great. Best Wishes Alan Craven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Shipley" <natbrent@fastmail.fm> To: "Tony Holkham" <t.holkham@sky.com>; "Researcher.E." <researcher3e@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Relationship calculator > Perhaps it is a local thing to sue the term 'great' re uncles and aunts > - it is the term my family has always used as well as other families - I > have not come across the useage of 'grand' instead - it could be a term > that was used more in the past of course and has been changed over time, > as with the term 'in-law', which used to be used for any relationship > which was by marriage rather than by blood. Be interesting to find out > what others think. > > I must find my relationship calculator as I get in a terrible muddle - > usually end up describing everyone as distant, or not so distant > cousins.... > > Helen > > > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:45:26 +0100, "Tony Holkham" <t.holkham@sky.com> > said: >> Thank you very much Eileen, a very clear chart. >> >> Another thing that puzzles me is that in my family the term 'grand' >> uncle has never been used. We've always referred to 'great' uncles. Is >> this a local thing, or have others used this variation? >> >> Tony 9967 >> >> On 16/04/2008, Researcher.E. <researcher3e@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> > Hello fellow listers, >> > I tried to send a scanned relationship chart to the list but it would >> > only >> > go as an attachment so if anyone would like a copy I am happy to send >> > the >> > attachment off-list. The chart is easy to use and clears up many a >> > mystery. >> > Regards, Eileen >> > - >> > -How are you related? >> > Once, Twice or Three Times Removed? >> > The diagram uses male family titles but it is easy to substitute the >> > female >> > equivalents. >> > The whole pattern will repeat itself, not only on your mother's side >> > but >> > also for your partner (husband, wife) >> > You will probably find you have a bigger family than you may have >> > expected. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Original Message ----- From: "Tony Holkham" <t.holkham@sky.com> >> > To: "Warwick and Eleanor Dilley" <dilleywe@bigpond.net.au> >> > Cc: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:23 AM >> > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Relationship calculator >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > Helen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.obliquity.com/family/misc/cousin.html I have this site Cousins Explained, may be of help. Margaret Helen Shipley <natbrent@fastmail.fm> wrote: Perhaps it is a local thing to sue the term 'great' re uncles and aunts - it is the term my family has always used as well as other families - I have not come across the useage of 'grand' instead - it could be a term that was used more in the past of course and has been changed over time, as with the term 'in-law', which used to be used for any relationship which was by marriage rather than by blood. Be interesting to find out what others think. I must find my relationship calculator as I get in a terrible muddle - usually end up describing everyone as distant, or not so distant cousins.... Helen On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:45:26 +0100, "Tony Holkham" said: > Thank you very much Eileen, a very clear chart. > > Another thing that puzzles me is that in my family the term 'grand' > uncle has never been used. We've always referred to 'great' uncles. Is > this a local thing, or have others used this variation? > > Tony 9967 > > On 16/04/2008, Researcher.E. wrote: > > Hello fellow listers, > > I tried to send a scanned relationship chart to the list but it would only > > go as an attachment so if anyone would like a copy I am happy to send the > > attachment off-list. The chart is easy to use and clears up many a mystery. > > Regards, Eileen > > - > > -How are you related? > > Once, Twice or Three Times Removed? > > The diagram uses male family titles but it is easy to substitute the female > > equivalents. > > The whole pattern will repeat itself, not only on your mother's side but > > also for your partner (husband, wife) > > You will probably find you have a bigger family than you may have expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message ----- From: "Tony Holkham" > > To: "Warwick and Eleanor Dilley" > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Relationship calculator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Helen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to all who responded. It seems pretty certain it's Brighton! The photo was probably taken in the early 1930s, but, as so often happens, no-one thought to write the details on the back. Barbara Sanders

Perhaps it is a local thing to sue the term 'great' re uncles and aunts - it is the term my family has always used as well as other families - I have not come across the useage of 'grand' instead - it could be a term that was used more in the past of course and has been changed over time, as with the term 'in-law', which used to be used for any relationship which was by marriage rather than by blood. Be interesting to find out what others think. I must find my relationship calculator as I get in a terrible muddle - usually end up describing everyone as distant, or not so distant cousins.... Helen On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:45:26 +0100, "Tony Holkham" <t.holkham@sky.com> said: > Thank you very much Eileen, a very clear chart. > > Another thing that puzzles me is that in my family the term 'grand' > uncle has never been used. We've always referred to 'great' uncles. Is > this a local thing, or have others used this variation? > > Tony 9967 > > On 16/04/2008, Researcher.E. <researcher3e@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello fellow listers, > > I tried to send a scanned relationship chart to the list but it would only > > go as an attachment so if anyone would like a copy I am happy to send the > > attachment off-list. The chart is easy to use and clears up many a mystery. > > Regards, Eileen > > - > > -How are you related? > > Once, Twice or Three Times Removed? > > The diagram uses male family titles but it is easy to substitute the female > > equivalents. > > The whole pattern will repeat itself, not only on your mother's side but > > also for your partner (husband, wife) > > You will probably find you have a bigger family than you may have expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message ----- From: "Tony Holkham" <t.holkham@sky.com> > > To: "Warwick and Eleanor Dilley" <dilleywe@bigpond.net.au> > > Cc: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Relationship calculator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Helen

I agree it does look like Brighton - somewhere between the piers - the large buildings could include the Grand and Metropole hotels but with the changes in buildings - like the loss of the old Bedford hotel, I cannot be sure. Helen On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:32:37 +0100, "Barbara Sanders" <bsandbed@tiscali.co.uk> said: > I've just put a photo of Grandma paddling at the seaside into the SFHG > Photo Gallery site (thanks Alan!). Her family > came from Hastings, but there are connections elsewhere in East Sussex. > > If you know your Sussex seafronts, could you please take a look and let > me know. > > Thank you > > Barbara Sanders > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I think it's Brighton, but west of the Palace pier with the Grand Hotel and Metropole Hotel in the background and the Queens hotel far right just opposite the pier. Jennifer (Brightonian born and bred) hopefully without egg on my face!

Thank you very much Eileen, a very clear chart. Another thing that puzzles me is that in my family the term 'grand' uncle has never been used. We've always referred to 'great' uncles. Is this a local thing, or have others used this variation? Tony 9967 On 16/04/2008, Researcher.E. <researcher3e@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hello fellow listers, > I tried to send a scanned relationship chart to the list but it would only > go as an attachment so if anyone would like a copy I am happy to send the > attachment off-list. The chart is easy to use and clears up many a mystery. > Regards, Eileen > - > -How are you related? > Once, Twice or Three Times Removed? > The diagram uses male family titles but it is easy to substitute the female > equivalents. > The whole pattern will repeat itself, not only on your mother's side but > also for your partner (husband, wife) > You will probably find you have a bigger family than you may have expected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message ----- From: "Tony Holkham" <t.holkham@sky.com> > To: "Warwick and Eleanor Dilley" <dilleywe@bigpond.net.au> > Cc: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:23 AM > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Relationship calculator > > > > > > > >

To the list: I would be grateful for help and/or advice. My 3Ggrandfather, John Miles Harman (born about 1767), is said (by IGI) to be the son of John Harman and Kate Miles, and indeed IGI also shows the elder John Harman as the spouse of Kate Miles. However, neither familysearch nor SMI has a marriage between a John Harman and a Kate Miles; IGI shows marriages with an Abigail Gunn or a Rose Mary Moore at the appropriate time but the use of "Miles" as a second Christian name is strong evidence that John Miles Harman was indeed the son of Kate Miles. I would be grateful for suggestions as to how I can solve this. Gordon Smith (8479)

I agree! The arches in the background could be just east of the Palace Pier. Have we a date for the photograph? Gordon Smith (8479) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Excell" <JudyW.Excell@ntlworld.com> To: "Barbara Sanders" <bsandbed@tiscali.co.uk>; "SFHG Rootsweb Mailing List" <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: [SFHG] Reply : Where is Grandma? > Brighton in my opinion but cannot be precise as to which part of the > seafront. Judy Excell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Sanders" <bsandbed@tiscali.co.uk> > To: "SFHG Rootsweb Mailing List" <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:32 AM > Subject: [SFHG] Where is Grandma? > > >> I've just put a photo of Grandma paddling at the seaside into the SFHG >> Photo Gallery site (thanks Alan!). Her family >> came from Hastings, but there are connections elsewhere in East Sussex. >> >> If you know your Sussex seafronts, could you please take a look and let >> me >> know. >> >> Thank you >> >> Barbara Sanders >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Or is it 5th once removed? G6 G5 same person G5 G4 siblings G4 G3 first cousins G3 G2 second cousins G2 G1 third cousins G1 parent fourth cousins parent Joe fifth cousins X fifth cousin once removed to Joe I would certainly appreciate this being clarified also, as I have got myself confused before now, and this is the way I try to work it out. Regards, Eleanor 11833 On 16 Apr 2008, at 07:47, Joe Austen wrote: > Thanks Adrian. Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Mugridge" <a_mugridge@yahoo.co.uk> > To: "Joe Austen" <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:38 AM > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Fw: Relationship calculator > > >> 6th cousin once removed! >> >> Joe Austen wrote: >>> oops >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joe Austen To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April >>> 16, 2008 >>> 6:21 AM >>> Subject: Relationship calculator >>> >>> >>> I appear to have misplaced my relationship calculator, Would SKS >>> please >>> tell me what relation to me someone would be. if their 6x g >>> grandparents >>> were my 5 x g grandparents Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - >> Release Date: 14/04/2008 9:26 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply.I will take on board all your suggestions and hopefully get somewhere. Looks like I will have to hound the Royal Marines Museum a bit more forcefully if I am going to get any answers. Arthur James Cunningham did lie about his age to join up in WW1,I always thought it was just a family story but luckily for me he as 2 death certificates:- 1 registered by his wife and 1 registered by the Navy the military one has him as 2 years older than his wife has him and the age from his wife tallys with his birth certificate so I guess he added 2 Years!! Many thanks again to you all Laura -----Original Message----- From: Alan To: Martin Mitchell ; SFHG@rootsweb.com; bobthebear@talktalk.net Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:27 Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Hi Laura? There are several references to Royal Marine Police and Royal Marine Police Troop on Google. From what I have seen tonight it would seem quite probable that your death certificate is correct.? Have you tried the Royal Marine Association or the Fleet Air Arm Association with reference to the Royal Naval Air Station, Ford?? Alan.? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Mitchell" us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk>? To: SFHG@rootsweb.com>; bobthebear@talktalk.net>? Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:40 PM? Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police? ? > Hi Laura,? > The Royal Marines were raised and maintained by the Admiralty, ie part of? > the Royal Navy, so if you are looking in Army records he's not likely to > be? > there.? > Martin.? >? >? >? > -------------------------------? > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message? > ?

Brighton in my opinion but cannot be precise as to which part of the seafront. Judy Excell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Sanders" <bsandbed@tiscali.co.uk> To: "SFHG Rootsweb Mailing List" <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: [SFHG] Where is Grandma? > I've just put a photo of Grandma paddling at the seaside into the SFHG > Photo Gallery site (thanks Alan!). Her family > came from Hastings, but there are connections elsewhere in East Sussex. > > If you know your Sussex seafronts, could you please take a look and let me > know. > > Thank you > > Barbara Sanders > >

I've just put a photo of Grandma paddling at the seaside into the SFHG Photo Gallery site (thanks Alan!). Her family came from Hastings, but there are connections elsewhere in East Sussex. If you know your Sussex seafronts, could you please take a look and let me know. Thank you Barbara Sanders

Thanks Adrian. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Mugridge" <a_mugridge@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Joe Austen" <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Fw: Relationship calculator > 6th cousin once removed! > > Joe Austen wrote: >> oops >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joe Austen To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 >> 6:21 AM >> Subject: Relationship calculator >> >> >> I appear to have misplaced my relationship calculator, Would SKS please >> tell me what relation to me someone would be. if their 6x g grandparents >> were my 5 x g grandparents Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - > Release Date: 14/04/2008 9:26 AM > >

oops ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Austen To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:21 AM Subject: Relationship calculator I appear to have misplaced my relationship calculator, Would SKS please tell me what relation to me someone would be. if their 6x g grandparents were my 5 x g grandparents Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ

Someone who was 43 in 1940 would have been 17 in 1914, Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERENCE MORLEY" <t.roym@btinternet.com> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Hi Laura I'm sorry the A J Cunningham I have traced was registered the third quarter 1940 aged 43 If this is him then why are we looking in WW1 medal records, surely he would only be aged 7 when world war one broke out, If by chance you are looking for is records world war two you have to write to minister of defence Where they will conduct search for you for a fee of £30.00 non returnable, unless you are next of kin the widow , then it would be issued free of charge, as HMS Peregrine was a royal navy airfield in Ford, It is more than likely that he was Royal Military Police, Please bear in mind that mistake's are made on certificates, the word misheard perhaps, marine mistaken for military, all quite simply a spelling mistake, Terry 8298 bobthebear@talktalk.net wrote: Hi everyone Thanks for the replies. He was definately a Royal Marine Policeman (states this on his military death certificate).He was posted at HMS Peregrine (RNAS Ford) when he was killed. Have googled Royal Marine Police but only came up with Wickiepidia.Cannot narrow down his WW1 medal card as there is more than 1 A.J.Cunningham. Very frustrating Laura -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mitchell <us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com; bobthebear@talktalk.net Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 7:45 Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police Laura; are you certain this man was a Royal Marine? I have been tempted into wondering whether you're extrapolating from "RMP", which itself would be more likely, first off, to indicate Royal Military Police. Martin Mitchell (10977) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 14/04/2008 9:26 AM

There were so many being killed in WW1, that they were taking lads who wanted to get away from cramped living conditions in the cottages, without question. The Recruiting Sergeants knew perfectly well they were under age. The same thing happened in Germany in the second World War, kids only 14 years old were killed. May it never happen again. Diane 10813

I think I've been under a misapprehension all these years. My grandmother's sister's daughter and I have always thought of each other as second cousins. So in Joe's case, I would have said they were 2nd cousins 6 times (or 5?) removed. As Fagin said: "I'd better go and think it out again!" Or Les Dawson: "There must be more to life than this." It must be getting late. Tony 9967 On 16/04/2008, Warwick and Eleanor Dilley <dilleywe@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > > Or is it 5th once removed? > > G6 G5 same person > G5 G4 siblings > G4 G3 first cousins > G3 G2 second cousins > G2 G1 third cousins > G1 parent fourth cousins > parent Joe fifth cousins > X fifth cousin once removed to Joe > > I would certainly appreciate this being clarified also, as I have got > myself confused before now, and this is the way I try to work it out. > > Regards, > > Eleanor > > 11833 > > > On 16 Apr 2008, at 07:47, Joe Austen wrote: > > > Thanks Adrian. Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Adrian Mugridge" <a_mugridge@yahoo.co.uk> > > To: "Joe Austen" <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 7:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Fw: Relationship calculator > > > > > >> 6th cousin once removed! > >> > >> Joe Austen wrote: > >>> oops > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Joe Austen To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April > >>> 16, 2008 > >>> 6:21 AM > >>> Subject: Relationship calculator > >>> > >>> > >>> I appear to have misplaced my relationship calculator, Would SKS > >>> please > >>> tell me what relation to me someone would be. if their 6x g > >>> grandparents > >>> were my 5 x g grandparents Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - > >> Release Date: 14/04/2008 9:26 AM > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Laura There are several references to Royal Marine Police and Royal Marine Police Troop on Google. From what I have seen tonight it would seem quite probable that your death certificate is correct. Have you tried the Royal Marine Association or the Fleet Air Arm Association with reference to the Royal Naval Air Station, Ford? Alan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Mitchell" <us@magmart.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com>; <bobthebear@talktalk.net> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Royal Marine Police > Hi Laura, > The Royal Marines were raised and maintained by the Admiralty, ie part of > the Royal Navy, so if you are looking in Army records he's not likely to > be > there. > Martin. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Heather, Is it possible she married between 1859 & marrying David? Or could she have been living with a relative and she was put down as their family name and not hers. I did look for you but couldn't find her. I believe she was Harriet Baker before her marriage to Nathaniel. Perhaps you should track her siblings to see if she was with them. And the only other thing I can think of is that she went solo for a while after losing Nathaniel and the girls were sent to live with relatives. I noticed in 1871 her daughter Harriet Alice was known just as Alice so perhaps Louisa Emma was known as Emma. Just a few ideas for searching. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Guit Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:28 PM To: sfhg-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] CRUTTENDEN Could someone find in 1861 census Harriet Cruttenden (Crittenden) born ABT 1830 Greys, Essex, probably with one of her daughters Louisa Emma Cruttenden born 1849 ST. George in theEast Sarah Ann Cruttenden born 1850 St. George in the East Harriett Alice Cruttenden born 1857 London, Middlesex Harriett's husband Nathaniel Cruttenden died 1859 and I haven't been able to Find her in 1861. I have all other years. She married again in 1864 to David Peters at Medway. Thank you Heather ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message