Dear Listers, Is anyone able to offer help on the following?? I am now seeking members of the GURR family descended from Annie Elizabeth Noakes, born 1859, who married William Gurr (a widower) and butcher in Lamberhurst IN 1884. ANNIE E was sister of Kate, (sometime Catherine) Noakes born 1862, my Gmother and husband of John Lucas born 1860 and sometime coachman to Lord St Oswald of Nostell Priory. All help appreciated Michael Lucas SFHG 12279

Bryan, I suspect that the reason is that the 1881 census is so widely available for free on so many sites. Not least from the LDS site: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/searc h_census.asp Best wishes, Graham 9038 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Bryan Pannett Sent: 04 June 2008 10:01 To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The Genealogist etc I have been following the exchange on this website with interest but I note that although the 1881 census is mentioned it appears to be largely excluded from the records. I have seen this also on some other websites and yet Ancestry does provide information. Can any listers explain the lack of information, please? It just so happens that the 1881 census is an important one in some of my researches into family. Bryan 11480 -- --Bryan Pannett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.09970e http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.09970e http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor/

Jackie: Regarding your posting to the list of the confusion over your ancestor's name/occupation. Wrightson's Directory of Birmingham for 1835 lists under PATTEN AND CLOG MAKERS one EDW.DAVIS, PUMP TAVERN YARD, BULL RING. Much of the Bull Ring area disappeared in the 1960s construction of the Bull Ring Shopping Centre. The rest plus the shopping centre also disappeared when the new Bullring Shopping Centre opened in 2004. Where Pump Tavern Yard would have been is now beneath the Birmingham branch of Selfridges. Hope this is of interest. Regards, John Cain 10370

All census transcripts for all years plus Maidstone Bapt.Marr. & Burials. Lots more for different counties. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Taylor To: Pat ; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:09 AM Subject: RE: [SFHG] The Genealogist etc Hi Pat Just read your reply to Diana. Does this site have information from Maidstone,Kent as I have looked at many site but very little of them have any records from maidstone. Have a good day Pamela > From: patsalmon1@btconnect.com > To: dianamungall@hotmail.com; sfhg-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:46:03 +0100 > Subject: Re: [SFHG] The Genealogist etc > > I have used The Genealogist for a couple of years now and am still finding > facts as my research proceeds. > > It is a very easy site to use and is constantly being updated with extra > information and it is all very easy to download. > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Mungall" <dianamungall@hotmail.com> > To: "SFHG-L@rootsweb.com" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: [SFHG] The Genealogist etc > > > > > > I was interested to see that The Genealogist website is offering the > > non-conformist database, BMDRegisters, together with various UK trade > > directories, parish records and other interesting features. I was > > thinking of cancelling my subscription to Ancestry.co (if they'll let me!) > > and moving over to a more UK orientated site like The Genealogist or > > FindmyPast.com. Do any listers have words of advice on alternatives to > > Ancestry? > > > > Diana > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > All new Live Search at Live.com > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hotmail on your mobile. Never miss another e-mail with

Hi Pat Just read your reply to Diana. Does this site have information from Maidstone,Kent as I have looked at many site but very little of them have any records from maidstone. Have a good day Pamela> From: patsalmon1@btconnect.com> To: dianamungall@hotmail.com; sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:46:03 +0100> Subject: Re: [SFHG] The Genealogist etc> > I have used The Genealogist for a couple of years now and am still finding > facts as my research proceeds.> > It is a very easy site to use and is constantly being updated with extra > information and it is all very easy to download.> > Pat> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Mungall" <dianamungall@hotmail.com>> To: "SFHG-L@rootsweb.com" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:52 AM> Subject: [SFHG] The Genealogist etc> > > >> > I was interested to see that The Genealogist website is offering the > > non-conformist database, BMDRegisters, together with various UK trade > > directories, parish records and other interesting features. I was > > thinking of cancelling my subscription to Ancestry.co (if they'll let me!) > > and moving over to a more UK orientated site like The Genealogist or > > FindmyPast.com. Do any listers have words of advice on alternatives to > > Ancestry?> >> > Diana> > _________________________________________________________________> >> > All new Live Search at Live.com> >> > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Never miss another e-mail with Hotmail on your mobile. http://www.livelife.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=343869

I have used The Genealogist for a couple of years now and am still finding facts as my research proceeds. It is a very easy site to use and is constantly being updated with extra information and it is all very easy to download. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Mungall" <dianamungall@hotmail.com> To: "SFHG-L@rootsweb.com" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [SFHG] The Genealogist etc > > I was interested to see that The Genealogist website is offering the > non-conformist database, BMDRegisters, together with various UK trade > directories, parish records and other interesting features. I was > thinking of cancelling my subscription to Ancestry.co (if they'll let me!) > and moving over to a more UK orientated site like The Genealogist or > FindmyPast.com. Do any listers have words of advice on alternatives to > Ancestry? > > Diana > _________________________________________________________________ > > All new Live Search at Live.com > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry, suppose its Hollingdale !

William who ? Diane 10813

I was interested to see that The Genealogist website is offering the non-conformist database, BMDRegisters, together with various UK trade directories, parish records and other interesting features. I was thinking of cancelling my subscription to Ancestry.co (if they'll let me!) and moving over to a more UK orientated site like The Genealogist or FindmyPast.com. Do any listers have words of advice on alternatives to Ancestry? Diana _________________________________________________________________ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/

I have a small, paperback size bible which appears to have been awarded to William in June 1913 at Poynings School as a Diocesan Inspection prize. Rescued from the Happy Breeds Dog Rescue stall on Saturday. Would appreciate postage from anyone who would like to claim it for their tree. Tigger

Marion I have a Alice L Woolgar marrying Aron L Tucknott in Oct 2001 at Worthing on my tree. Do you know any more about these two or their family ? Regards Wendy Tucknott ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:38:39 +0100 From: "Marion Woolgar" <listmail2008@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Woolgar/Cokelers To: "Roger Nash" <rjnash@southdownhouse.co.uk>, <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <01DB14B8B4174C1DB4701128DFA3F76F@marionfmpckb7b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Roger, Many thanks for your very informative reply. I have often wondered whether Michael WOOLGAR's shop in The Hornet was a Cokeler shop? Yes, Michael WOOLGAR is indeed buried in Chichester. His grave is in Portfield Cemetery and I have a photograph of it and a record of the inscription on the headstone. I can send these to you off-List if you would like to have copies. I also have a copy of an article about the Cokelers by Earl Winterton which was published in the "Sussex County Magazine" in 1931 (volume 5 page 717 et seq) which you might like to read, if you haven't discovered it already. Thank you, I would love to see a photo of Michael WOOLGAR. I once met an elderly Chichester resident who, as a young boy, knew him back in the 1920's. He was described to me as a man who looked like Methuselah with a long and flowing white beard. I shall be very interested to see if the photo matches the description! Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:41:43 +0100 From: "Steve McGrath" <steven781@btinternet.com> Subject: [SFHG] Will / Probate To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000a01c8bc19$fd6a5e30$4101a8c0@Office> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I recently requested a copy of a will & probate for my grandfather, I was billed ?5.00, but I was a little disappointed with the information I received back. All I received was one A4 sheet containing the barest of details just summarising that his estate did not exceed ?40, 000 gross or ?10,000 net and that the named representative was his wife. Is this usual to get such scant information or should I contact the HMCS again and make clear that I also would like a copy of the will, detailing family members and what they were entitled to? I was under the impression that the ?5 fee copies of both probate and will. Steve McGrath 12554 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 03:47:10 +0700 From: Michael Burchall <mjburchall@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Will / Probate To: Steve McGrath <steven781@btinternet.com>, <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY117-W26D948D1AD21AB4F2F01B6C7C60@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Steve, >From what you write it seems that your grandfather did not leave a will and all you got was details of the grant of letters of administration. Try writing to HMCS quoting your original application number and ask for clarification. Michael Burchall> From: steven781@btinternet.com> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:41:43 +0100> Subject: [SFHG] Will / Probate> > I recently requested a copy of a will & probate for my grandfather, I was billed ?5.00, but I was a little disappointed with the information I received back. All I received was one A4 sheet containing the barest of details just summarising that his estate did not exceed ?40, 000 gross or ?10,000 net and that the named representative was his wife. Is this usual to get such scant information or should I contact the HMCS again and make clear that I also would like a copy of the will, detailing family members and what they were entitled to? I was under the impression that the ?5 fee copies of both probate and will.> > Steve McGrath> 12554 > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the m! essage _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger? http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=w lmailtagline ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:47:21 +0100 From: "Judith Mooney" <judith.brooke@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Will / Probate To: "Steve McGrath" <steven781@btinternet.com>, <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DMEFIAGGMJJNCLKCJONCIEBCCFAA.judith.brooke@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, I have just received copies of 4 wills for my ?20 (I pushed the boat out!). For each I received the page on probate, value of estate etc. that you mention and a copy of the wills themselves, in my case all one page long only. When I phoned them on first contact I found them very helpful, so I suggest you might get in touch with them to clarify. Maybe there wasn't an actual will. I'll be interested to read your results. Judith 10915 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Steve McGrath Sent: 22 May 2008 15:42 To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Will / Probate I recently requested a copy of a will & probate for my grandfather, I was billed ?5.00, but I was a little disappointed with the information I received back. All I received was one A4 sheet containing the barest of details just summarising that his estate did not exceed ?40, 000 gross or ?10,000 net and that the named representative was his wife. Is this usual to get such scant information or should I contact the HMCS again and make clear that I also would like a copy of the will, detailing family members and what they were entitled to? I was under the impression that the ?5 fee copies of both probate and will. Steve McGrath 12554 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1459 - Release Date: 5/21/2008 5:34 PM ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 19:18:45 +0000 From: Diana Mungall <dianamungall@hotmail.com> Subject: [SFHG] Daniel Talbot - 16 Sydney Street, Brighton To: "SFHG-L@rootsweb.com" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY132-W71AE40814F59873129BBCDCC00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" After a whistle stop trip to Brighton this week, I located my great x 3 grandfather's (unmarked) grave in Lewes Road Cemetery. The only other fact I have about his death was that he died at 16 Sydney Street on 5 March 1871, the informant being a Harriett Higgs of Whichels Place. Please could some kind person with access to the 1871 census for Brighton tell me who was living at No. 16 on census night - I imagine it was a landlady with boarders in her house but it might give me some inkling about the premises where he died.Diana _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000009ukm/direct/01/ ------------------------------ To contact the SFHG list administrator, send an email to SFHG-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SFHG mailing list, send an email to SFHG@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SFHG Digest, Vol 3, Issue 167 ************************************

I don't recognise the names, but I will have a look through my files and send you a reply later today off-List. If this WOOLGAR family is located in Worthing, there is a very good chance that they are members of my husband's own extended ancestral line. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

Stitches farm at Eridge is on the Weald web site. Steve -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROBIN COATES Sent: 31 May 2008 16:23 To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] Stitches found Just to thank Mike Searle and Philip Evans for helping me with my Stitches query. Stitches located in Eridge and not Hartfield as I believed. Robin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just to thank Mike Searle and Philip Evans for helping me with my Stitches query. Stitches located in Eridge and not Hartfield as I believed. Robin

I also found STITCHES FARM near Rotherfield on a 2002 planning application after Googling, but ignored it as being too far away from the sought after location. However, all avenues are worth exploring! Mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Evans" <info@philevans.org> To: "ROBIN COATES" <robin.coates1@btinternet.com>; <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Stitches Farm, Hartfield > Hello Robin, > > Like Mike, I couldn't find it on the OS map in Hartfield, but an A2A > search > for "Stitches" at the ESRO turned up a couple of entries for a Stitches > Farm > in Rotherfield/Eridge. I found that on the OS map and located it on Flash > Earth. The place still exists in Eridge Green, Tunbridge Wells. The > postcode > is TN3 9JB. (You can also have OS Ref and Lat/Long if you want it as I had > to do it the hard way) > > Phil > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROBIN COATES" <robin.coates1@btinternet.com> > To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:58 AM > Subject: [SFHG] Stitches Farm, Hartfield > > >> Hi. >> >> I am hoping that someone may be able to help me with STITCHES FARM in >> HARTFIELD; according to various wills it existed in at least the 17th >> and >> 18th >> centuries and a group of researchers visited it as recently as 2004. I >> would like to know more about STITCHES and where in Hartfield it is. It >> is not mentioned in the excellent Sussex Weald Web Site. >> >> Any help much appreciated. >> >> TIA. >> >> Robin >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Robin, Like Mike, I couldn't find it on the OS map in Hartfield, but an A2A search for "Stitches" at the ESRO turned up a couple of entries for a Stitches Farm in Rotherfield/Eridge. I found that on the OS map and located it on Flash Earth. The place still exists in Eridge Green, Tunbridge Wells. The postcode is TN3 9JB. (You can also have OS Ref and Lat/Long if you want it as I had to do it the hard way) Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN COATES" <robin.coates1@btinternet.com> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: [SFHG] Stitches Farm, Hartfield > Hi. > > I am hoping that someone may be able to help me with STITCHES FARM in > HARTFIELD; according to various wills it existed in at least the 17th and > 18th > centuries and a group of researchers visited it as recently as 2004. I > would like to know more about STITCHES and where in Hartfield it is. It > is not mentioned in the excellent Sussex Weald Web Site. > > Any help much appreciated. > > TIA. > > Robin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robin, After unsuccessfully searching various large scale online maps of Hartfield for STITCHES FARM (both ancient and modern), I can only suggest that consulting the tithe map at ESRO for Hartfield might reveal where it may have been located. I note that Hartfield is one of a number whose tithe maps are now available on CD, however, viewing it for free at ESRO might be the cheaper option! Best wishes, Mike Searle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBIN COATES" <robin.coates1@btinternet.com> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: [SFHG] Stitches Farm, Hartfield > Hi. > > I am hoping that someone may be able to help me with STITCHES FARM in > HARTFIELD; according to various wills it existed in at least the 17th and > 18th > centuries and a group of researchers visited it as recently as 2004. I > would like to know more about STITCHES and where in Hartfield it is. It > is not mentioned in the excellent Sussex Weald Web Site. > > Any help much appreciated. > > TIA. > > Robin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Alan My ggg grandfather Edward Davis died Birmingham in 1839 leaving a young family when applying for my gg grandfathers marriage cert his father was Edward a gunsmith wrong profession so I sent for 3 of his siblings 2 have the correct profession Clog maker but wrong name John and 1 has no father mentioned at all, these were all in 1850,s This caused a lot of confusion but finally I found his death certificate which confirmed Edward a Clog & patten maker Although he becomes Edwin on his widows death certificate Regards Jackie 10751 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of alaninspain@msn.com Sent: 30 May 2008 10:13 To: Bridget Meads; Dkn72a@aol.com; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] Query. I have just received a certificate for a marriage in 1840 and was very disappointed to see that neither of the fathers were named. There was only one witness named. Were certificates often "incomplete" in the early years or is this an isolated case? Alan 10469 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bridget Meads" <bridgetmeads@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:20 AM To: <Dkn72a@aol.com>; <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Query. > Hi Diane > > Only if they are listed as witnesses, sometimes the father was already > dead but they omitted to say this, probably because no one asked! They > were only asked who their father was. > > Bridget 10773 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Dkn72a@aol.com> > To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:36 AM > Subject: [SFHG] Query. > > >> Just a thought, after all these years studying Certificates. When a >> Bride >> and Bridegroom's parents are named on Certificates, does it mean >> they were present at the wedding ? >> >> Diane 10813 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi. I am hoping that someone may be able to help me with STITCHES FARM in HARTFIELD; according to various wills it existed in at least the 17th and 18th centuries and a group of researchers visited it as recently as 2004. I would like to know more about STITCHES and where in Hartfield it is. It is not mentioned in the excellent Sussex Weald Web Site. Any help much appreciated. TIA. Robin

I have just come across a George A Towner married to a Daisy Violet Cork in 1918 Brighton. I have a George Towner who would fit the date but if its the same George then they would be 1st cousins once removed. Has anyone any information that could help please. Regards Jean 10774