I have replied privately. Bridget 10773 ----- Original Message ----- From: "FMB" <pilgrimsprogress@bunyanclan.co.uk> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:06 PM Subject: [SFHG] 1861 census help appreciated!! >I wonder if there is any kind member who has a subscription to any site > other than Ancestry, that could kindly help me with details/copy of the > ROFFE family in Hastings in 1861. I cannot find William b1797 & Jane > b1803 ROFFE in All Saints on Ancestry for which I have a sub, but > looking on Find My Past I can see the family are there, but no spare > pennies to be able to download at the moment. :-( > > Any help would be very much appreciated, as this whole family are > causing me problems. Jane by the way is nee PHILLIPS. > > My grateful thanks if you are able to help. > > Frances - 1841 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I wonder if there is any kind member who has a subscription to any site other than Ancestry, that could kindly help me with details/copy of the ROFFE family in Hastings in 1861. I cannot find William b1797 & Jane b1803 ROFFE in All Saints on Ancestry for which I have a sub, but looking on Find My Past I can see the family are there, but no spare pennies to be able to download at the moment. :-( Any help would be very much appreciated, as this whole family are causing me problems. Jane by the way is nee PHILLIPS. My grateful thanks if you are able to help. Frances - 1841

William Roffe Age:64 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1797 Relation:Head Spouse's Name:Jane Gender:Male Where born:Hastings, Sussex, England Civil Parish:Hastings All Saints Ecclesiastical parish:Chichester County/Island:Sussex Country:England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage:View Image Registration district:Hastings Sub registration district:All Saints ED, institution, or vessel:3 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:123 Household Members:Name Age Jane Roffe 57 Jane Roffe 15 Mary Ann Roffe 17 Robert Roffe 24 William Roffe 64 Charles Smith 46 ----- Original Message ---- From: FMB <pilgrimsprogress@bunyanclan.co.uk> To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 June, 2008 5:06:08 PM Subject: [SFHG] 1861 census help appreciated!! I wonder if there is any kind member who has a subscription to any site other than Ancestry, that could kindly help me with details/copy of the ROFFE family in Hastings in 1861.  I cannot find William b1797 & Jane b1803 ROFFE in All Saints on Ancestry for which I have a sub, but looking on Find My Past I can see the family are there, but no spare pennies to be able to download at the moment. :-( Any help would be very much appreciated, as this whole family are causing me problems.  Jane by the way is nee PHILLIPS. My grateful thanks if you are able to help. Frances - 1841 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To the list: I have a JOHN VINE (born about 1716 in East Hoathley) and ANN SMITH (born about 1720 in Waldron) who married at All Saints', Lewes on 21 September 1741 as my 5Ggrandparents. I have details of their offspring but nothing about their parentage or earlier ancestors. Any help would be much appreciated. Gordon Smith (8479)

Hi there Simon, I took a look for Samuel Sellman and I think I have part of an answer for you. Leonora Francis Dawson must have either have been a widow when she married Stephen or her father was dead and her mother had remarried. Leonora's birth family name was Harman. Her father was James Read Harman. He was born in Pett 10 Jan 1779 to a John Harman & a Sarah Reed. John Harman married a Charlotte Noakes 5 Dec 1800 in Westfield. Samuel Sellman of Pett married a Charlotte Harman on 01 Jan 1819. I haven't looked further but I am guessing that Charlotte was related to John Harman. Perhaps Samuel was a cousin or brother of Simon. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Following the success I had after raising my main brickwall earlier this year, I thought I would have a go with my other major brickwall. On 25th December 1857 William Granger married Harriett Packham (Peckham) at St Nicholas church, Brighton. Their address is given as 15 Richmond Buildings, Brighton. He is shown as aged 22, batchelor, a labourer, father Henry also a labourer. In the 1881 and 1891 census he is shown as aged 44 and 54 respectively and born at Lewes. I have been unable to find a William Granger around Lewes at that time, nor a possible marriage of a Henry Granger who could be his parents. If anyone has William Granger in their family or has any information which would help me trace his baptism, I would be grateful to hear from you. Thanking you in advance. Alan Tubb

Hi   And just to add that tithe maps were not actually produced for every parish in the country. If the Tithe Commissioners decided that an area was already sufficiently well mapped and detailed - for instance, by a local landowner - then they didn't bother to survey it themselves, but relied on the existing information. I don't know how many districts this affects, or whether it affects any in Sussex.   Also worth mentioning that they generally cover rural rather than urban areas, as the land within most towns was not subject to tithes.   Kathleen --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Donna Casey <donnacasey@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Donna Casey <donnacasey@yahoo.com> Subject: [SFHG] Tithe Maps: A Question To: "SFHG SxFamHXGrp" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 1:49 PM As someone who has never worked with the tithe maps, can someone tell me what is the earliest year for which they are availalbe? Donna TILLINGHAST Casey From Michigan, USA.....but on my way to East Sussex for more research on June 27! If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An interesting man, who published 12 different designs for mouse traps! He should have been a millionaire, if they'd worked. Just to say there are a lot of Mascalls in the Suusex marriage CD but no Leonards. Georgina Colwell www.musicair.co.uk www.musictheatrebritain.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Dench" <sally.dench@lineone.net> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:38 PM Subject: [SFHG] MASCALL, Plumpton > Dear all > > I wondered if anyone could shed any light on this. The MASCALL family > lived > in Plumpton, at Plumpton Place, in the 16th century and probably later. > There is a famous MASCALL - Leonard, who apparently introduced the Cox's > Pippen apple and wrote books on agriculture, etc in the 16th century - > books > on Sussex that I have seen say he was a Plumpton MASCALL, the Oxford > Dictionary of National Biography says he was not. > > Does anyone know anything about this? I have a connection with the MASCALL > family in Plumpton that far back and would be interested in knowing more. > Know that I could follow family histories further, but just wondered > whether > anyone had already done this or knew something. > > Many thanks and best wishes > Sally > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear all I wondered if anyone could shed any light on this. The MASCALL family lived in Plumpton, at Plumpton Place, in the 16th century and probably later. There is a famous MASCALL - Leonard, who apparently introduced the Cox's Pippen apple and wrote books on agriculture, etc in the 16th century - books on Sussex that I have seen say he was a Plumpton MASCALL, the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography says he was not. Does anyone know anything about this? I have a connection with the MASCALL family in Plumpton that far back and would be interested in knowing more. Know that I could follow family histories further, but just wondered whether anyone had already done this or knew something. Many thanks and best wishes Sally

Hi Donna The tithe maps which I am referring to relate to a field by field survey of England and Wales carried out by the Tithe Commissioners round about 1840. The survey work was demanded by the Tithe Commutation Act of 1836 and some parishes were surveyed as early as 1837, however most parishes were not surveyed until 1840 and after.  More detail can be found by following this link http://www.bahs.org.uk/07n1a3.pdf    I believe that other tithe maps have also been produced by various parishes at other times but not in such a regulated way as the ones commissioned by the tithe commissioners.   I hope that this helps.  Kind regards Roger ----- Original Message ---- From: Donna Casey <donnacasey@yahoo.com> To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 23 June, 2008 1:49:46 PM Subject: [SFHG] Tithe Maps: A Question As someone who has never worked with the tithe maps, can someone tell me what is the earliest year for which they are availalbe?     Donna TILLINGHAST Casey   From Michigan, USA.....but on my way to East Sussex for more research on June 27!               If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday.  Pearl Buck     ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hi Rod How I wish that your interpretation was correct.  It would make family history research a lot easier. The tithe maps which I am referring to relate to a field by field survey of England and Wales carried out by the Tithe Commissioners round about 1840.  In general copies of the tithe maps and the corresponding apportionments are held by the appropriate county records office.  More detail can be found by following this link http://www.bahs.org.uk/07n1a3.pdf  I believe that other tithe maps have also been produced by various parishes at other times but not in such a regulated way as the ones commissioned by the tithe commissioners. I hope that this helps.  Kind regards Roger ----- Original Message ---- From: Rod Blaker <rod.blaker@gmail.com> To: rogerofgoostrey@btinternet.com Cc: josie campbell <josiecamp1@yahoo.co.uk>; Chris Phillips <cgp@medievalgenealogy.org.uk>; Christine Jackson <jackson_cf@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, 23 June, 2008 2:37:54 PM Subject: Fwd: [SFHG] Tithe Maps Part Two Hi Roger,   Im a noobie and a technopeasant in terms of computers; please excuse.   What you seem to be saying is that there exists a series of Tithe Maps, from time immemorial as to who squatted on what land, over the centuries.  If thats true I could trace my ancestry back to the conquest.    So I have misunderstood what these Tithe Maps are.  Could you explain, or if you prefer, give me the name of someone would would be willing to do so ?  Access to manorial Rolls is patchy; but Tithe Maps sound too good to be true !!   Rod ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ROGER RUSHTON <rogerofgoostrey@btinternet.com> Date: 2008/6/23 Subject: [SFHG] Tithe Maps Part Two To: SFHG <sfhg@rootsweb.com> I had to split this messsage into two parts as it was too large for Rootsweb. In conclusion I have to say that a tithe map combined with the appropriate apportionment is a wonderful resource for family historians and well worth £13.80 (especially if your ancestors were farmers) but I think that ESRO could have done the job much better.  In my opinion a tithe map without the apportionment is almost worthless and is certainly not worth £13.80.  The appropriate apportionment should be included on each CD and should be presented in a similar way to that used by SFHG for their marriage index.  Anyone who is not familiar with Excel would not know for example that it is possible to easily resort the data in order to list all the plots occupied by their ancestors in alphabetical order by surname and first name.  A proper printed label on the CD would have made a professional touch compared to the hand written detail even though it was very neatly done.   Having said all this I should like to point out that in all my contact with ESRO staff (by phone and by email) regarding this issue, I have found them most helpful, as always.   If anyone else has purchased tithe map CD's from ESRO then I should like to hear their comments on the issues that I have raised.  Kind regards Roger Rushton 9885   PS I live in Cheshire where the tithe maps and apportionments are on the Internet without charge.  However this system is more geared towards local historians and overall I prefer the East Sussex approach.      __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Hi   Must put in a reply in defence of the Cheshire approach. It was achieved with lottery money and volunteer labour, so its ready accessibility is part of the aim. I most certainly don't like the East Sussex approach if only because it is so expensive that it is totally unrealistic for someone with interests in several areas.   Kathleen --- On Mon, 6/23/08, ROGER RUSHTON <rogerofgoostrey@btinternet.com> wrote: From: ROGER RUSHTON <rogerofgoostrey@btinternet.com> Subject: [SFHG] Tithe Maps Part Two To: "SFHG" <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 10:58 AM I had to split this messsage into two parts as it was too large for Rootsweb. In conclusion I have to say that a tithe map combined with the appropriate apportionment is a wonderful resource for family historians and well worth £13.80 (especially if your ancestors were farmers) but I think that ESRO could have done the job much better.  In my opinion a tithe map without the apportionment is almost worthless and is certainly not worth £13.80.  The appropriate apportionment should be included on each CD and should be presented in a similar way to that used by SFHG for their marriage index.  Anyone who is not familiar with Excel would not know for example that it is possible to easily resort the data in order to list all the plots occupied by their ancestors in alphabetical order by surname and first name.  A proper printed label on the CD would have made a professional touch compared to the hand written detail even though it was very neatly done.   Having said all this I should like to point out that in all my contact with ESRO staff (by phone and by email) regarding this issue, I have found them most helpful, as always.   If anyone else has purchased tithe map CD's from ESRO then I should like to hear their comments on the issues that I have raised.  Kind regards Roger Rushton 9885   PS I live in Cheshire where the tithe maps and apportionments are on the Internet without charge.  However this system is more geared towards local historians and overall I prefer the East Sussex approach. __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had to split this messsage into two parts as it was too large for Rootsweb. In conclusion I have to say that a tithe map combined with the appropriate apportionment is a wonderful resource for family historians and well worth £13.80 (especially if your ancestors were farmers) but I think that ESRO could have done the job much better.  In my opinion a tithe map without the apportionment is almost worthless and is certainly not worth £13.80.  The appropriate apportionment should be included on each CD and should be presented in a similar way to that used by SFHG for their marriage index.  Anyone who is not familiar with Excel would not know for example that it is possible to easily resort the data in order to list all the plots occupied by their ancestors in alphabetical order by surname and first name.  A proper printed label on the CD would have made a professional touch compared to the hand written detail even though it was very neatly done.   Having said all this I should like to point out that in all my contact with ESRO staff (by phone and by email) regarding this issue, I have found them most helpful, as always.   If anyone else has purchased tithe map CD's from ESRO then I should like to hear their comments on the issues that I have raised.  Kind regards Roger Rushton 9885   PS I live in Cheshire where the tithe maps and apportionments are on the Internet without charge.  However this system is more geared towards local historians and overall I prefer the East Sussex approach. __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

I thought that the list might find it useful to hear about my experiences regarding the purchase of a tithe map on CD from East Sussex Records Office.   1. Although it is technically possible to phone up ESRO and order the tithe map CDs over the phone and pay by credit card, in reality you can only do this after posting a a signed declaration that you will not infringe their copyright to ESRO. So you might just as well post a cheque with your declaration.   2.  Delivery took 4 working days and was by normal post. Although mine came without damage, the CD was posted in a jewel case in an ordinary unpadded envelope.   3. Although all the tithe maps in East Sussex have been transcribed on to CDs the apportionments have not all been transcribed yet. If you just order a CD of the tithe map for a particular parish this will be all that you will get.  The tithe map is only a large scale map of the parish showing the boundaries of every piece of land.  Each piece of land has a plot number written on it on the map.  Apart from the names of important buildings such as farms, inns and mansions and the names of neighbouring parishes there was nothing else written on my tithe map (mine was a rural parish). There weren't even any road names! So £13.80 is a lot of money to pay for just a map with a lot of numbers on it.   4. If you want the apportionment that goes with the tithe map you have to ask for this as a separate item and send your email address to ESRO.  They then will tell you if it has been transcribed and if it has they will email it to you as an excel file without further charge.  I don't know how you get on in the unlikely event that you don't have an email address!  For those who don't know about these things, the apportionment is a list of the plot numbers with all the information relating to each plot.  This is what all us family historians need because it includes the land owners full name, the occupiers full name (the farmer or householder), the name of the plot, what if anything is grown on the plot and the size of the plot in acres, roods and perches (one acre equals four roods and one rood equals 40 perches).   5.  I am under the impression that if you discover that the apportionment for a parish that you are interested in, has not yet been transcribed, they will give transcription a higher priority if you make it clear that you will not buy the tithe map CD until it is transcribed.  When I asked when the apportionment for a neighbouring parish would be transcribed, I was told 'possibly several months' but then two days later they told me that it was now available!!   6. The tithe maps on the CD have been scanned in high resolution and in my case the parish had been scanned as twelve overlapping sections. The maps are viewed using built in software called Archangel Image Browser which allows the the user to navigate and zoom in on places of interest.  Printing of sections of the map is also possible, however the Archangel browser does not have a save facility built in.  With some ingenuity, however, it is possible to extract each scanned image for separate manipulation.   7.  Once a plot has bee identified on the map, it is very easy to locate the details from the apportionment file because the plots are in numerical order.  However on my tithe map the surveyor had not numbered the plots in any sequential manner but had used the order in which they had been surveyed.  All the plots for a particular farm are sequential, but odd pieces of land seem to have been surveyed at odd times during the survey of the entire parish and so are numbered accordingly.  This means that if you identify from the apportionment that your ancestor occupied say a house and garden amounting to one plot number, it means that you have to literally check every plot on the map until you find the one of interest which can be very time consuming and difficult.  Kind regards Roger __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

As someone who has never worked with the tithe maps, can someone tell me what is the earliest year for which they are availalbe? Donna TILLINGHAST Casey From Michigan, USA.....but on my way to East Sussex for more research on June 27! If you want to understand today, you have to search yesterday. Pearl Buck

Carol, The IGI has a series of 10 baptisms in the mid-1800s in Petworth. They were the children of William and Ann - there is a marriage recorded in 1851 for William and Hannah (Ann is often short for Hannah) in Ewhurst, Surrey. Perhaps William is related to Liddy and this parish would be a good start, or in the adjacent parishes.   Brides usually married in their home parish but re Liddy there were not any Court/Corts recorded in Ewell, which is in Surrey, of course. You may have more luck searching for Liddy's baptism in neighbouring Surrey parishes.   Good luck Christine Jackson SFHG 397 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, John & Carol King <jandcking@talktalk.net> wrote: From: John & Carol King <jandcking@talktalk.net> Subject: [SFHG] LIDDY CORT To: SFHG@rootsweb.com Received: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 1:04 PM Hi I wonder if there is any one out there that can help. I've just found out that one of my husbands ancestors was born in Petworth, this fact is recorded in the 1841, 51 & 61 returns, in them her birth date is estimated as between 1774 & 1776. Saturday afternoon I visited the SFHG records in Lewes and searched through records for Petworth and the surrounding parishes, but I could find no records of the CORT/COURT family, is there anyone out there that has come across this family. I know from the IGI that Liddy married a James Stone in Ewell on 30 May 1802. Carol King ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php

Hi I wonder if there is any one out there that can help. I've just found out that one of my husbands ancestors was born in Petworth, this fact is recorded in the 1841, 51 & 61 returns, in them her birth date is estimated as between 1774 & 1776. Saturday afternoon I visited the SFHG records in Lewes and searched through records for Petworth and the surrounding parishes, but I could find no records of the CORT/COURT family, is there anyone out there that has come across this family. I know from the IGI that Liddy married a James Stone in Ewell on 30 May 1802. Carol King

The Halsted Trust will this year be holding its annual seminar on 19th July at Eastergate Village Hall, West Sussex The seminar is open to anyone and this year will be aimed at those who are past the first flush of their research into one-name studies. There will be six lectures and a buffet lunch is included at a cost of 7.50 Lectures in include Researching Abroad, Searching for Surnames at the SoG, Worship Weird & Wonderful and Memorials Monuments & Gravestones. Speakers include the GOONS President Derek Palgrave FSG, Else Churchill Genealogy Officer at the SoG and Guild former committee members John Hanson FSG, Jeanne Bunting FSG, Geoff Riggs & Alec Tritton Both Sussex Family History Group & Society of Genealogists bookstalls will be in attendance For further information & a booking form please see www.halsted.org.uk

Part 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Austen To: hampshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:29 PM Subject: Return I have, recently rejoined this list, following significant success in my pursuit of living relatives. I had written quite a long email outlining the start of my research leading to the culmination. I stopped to do something else and it disappeared, so you`ve been saved. The point of this email now is to attempt to gain assistance in finding the origins of a 3 x g grandmother. She was born Hannah Ballard c1786 and according to the 1851 census she was born in Hurstbourne. But I searched the PRs for Hurstbourne Priors and Tarrant only a few weeks ago at the HRO and came up with zilch any clues. Her Husband my 3xg grandfather James Butler, according to the same census was born in Micheldever c1784 and likewise Ifailed to find a record for him. Regards Joe Austen in OZ