Dear Sharon, I have just had a quick look at the records, and as you say, there doesn't seem to be anyone who fits, especially as you would expect to find your grandfather in the 1901 census with his family. I tried various names you have given, and only came up with an Emily with a husband Frederick who were in their fifties in 1901 and several children, one of whom was Frederick aged 15. There was another Frederick born 1894 but he was born and lived in Worcestershire, with a father called Thomas. No doubt you have looked at these and many others. Given the lack of information, I think you have to look at the possibility of your grandfather having to some extent reinvented himself and his family when he came to Australia. It wouldn't be the first time that has happened! My grandmother's information seems to be different on every document I have found, including her given names changing around 1900, her maiden name, her age (several years younger than she really was) and her marital status at the time she married my step-grandfather. She claimed to be a widow, to cover the fact that my father was illegitimate, and that was the reason for variations on her maiden name too of course. Good luck and sorry I can't suggest anything else at this stage. Eleanor (also in Melbourne) On 27 Jun 2008, at 15:56, Sharon Grosvenor wrote: > > Hello to all, > > > I have recently started to look into my families history on my fathers > side, being Grosvenor. > > My grandfathers name was Frederic Charles Bertram Ferdinand > GROSVENOR. He was born in Brighton I believe in 1894. His fathers > name was Joseph Ferdinand (engineer) and his mothers name was Emily. > He moved to Australia and joined the Australian Army on the 5th > October 1916. He married Sylvia Madeline Neave in Western Australia > on the 19th February 1920. He was then 25yrs old and she was 24yrs > old. They lived in Collie in Western Australia where they had 3 > daughters (Norma, Joan and Joy) and 1 son (Gordon). He is my father. > Frederic Grosvenor died in Western Australia in 1949. My family has > no information about him prior to the marriage. > > The only information I have been able to find out about Frederic is > from his war service record in Australia. He listed his trade as > Motor Mechanic. His fathers address is listed as Joseph Ferdinand > Grosvenor of 2 Patham Terrace, Preston Sussex England. > > I have checked census records but have not had any luck finding the > family. > > Ideally I would like to find out whether Frederic had any brothers or > sisters? > > Any help you might be able to give me would be greatly appreciated. > > thanking you all the way from Melbourne, Australia. > Sharon > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Sharon, You certainly have a problem for there is NO Frederick Charles Bertram Ferdinand Grosvenor born 1890-98 anywhere in England and Wales who is registered as such. The 1901 Census for 14 Newmarket Road, Brighton records a 15 year old Brighton born Frederick son of Frederick and Emily Gosvenor, whose birth was registered in 1885 as Frederick Arthur Grosvenor. Have you tried getting his Australian army records? Michael> From: dilleywe@bigpond.net.au> To: babashaz@bigpond.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:21:44 +1000> CC: SFHG@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [SFHG] Grosvenor family> > Dear Sharon,> > I have just had a quick look at the records, and as you say, there > doesn't seem to be anyone who fits, especially as you would expect to > find your grandfather in the 1901 census with his family. I tried > various names you have given, and only came up with an Emily with a > husband Frederick who were in their fifties in 1901 and several > children, one of whom was Frederick aged 15. There was another > Frederick born 1894 but he was born and lived in Worcestershire, with > a father called Thomas. No doubt you have looked at these and many > others.> > Given the lack of information, I think you have to look at the > possibility of your grandfather having to some extent reinvented > himself and his family when he came to Australia. It wouldn't be the > first time that has happened! My grandmo! ther's information seems to > be different on every document I have found, including her given names > changing around 1900, her maiden name, her age (several years younger > than she really was) and her marital status at the time she married my > step-grandfather. She claimed to be a widow, to cover the fact that > my father was illegitimate, and that was the reason for variations on > her maiden name too of course.> > Good luck and sorry I can't suggest anything else at this stage.> > Eleanor> (also in Melbourne)> > > On 27 Jun 2008, at 15:56, Sharon Grosvenor wrote:> > >> > Hello to all,> >> >> > I have recently started to look into my families history on my fathers> > side, being Grosvenor.> >> > My grandfathers name was Frederic Charles Bertram Ferdinand> > GROSVENOR. He was born in Brighton I believe in 1894. His fathers> > name was Joseph Ferdinand (engineer) and his mothers name was Emily.> > He moved to Australia and joined the Australian Army on the 5th> > October! 1916. He married Sylvia Madeline Neave in Western Australia> > on the 19th February 1920. He was then 25yrs old and she was 24yrs> > old. They lived in Collie in Western Australia where they had 3> > daughters (Norma, Joan and Joy) and 1 son (Gordon). He is my father.> > Frederic Grosvenor died in Western Australia in 1949. My family has> > no information about him prior to the marriage.> >> > The only information I have been able to find out about Frederic is> > from his war service record in Australia. He listed his trade as> > Motor Mechanic. His fathers address is listed as Joseph Ferdinand> > Grosvenor of 2 Patham Terrace, Preston Sussex England.> >> > I have checked census records but have not had any luck finding the> > family.> >> > Ideally I would like to find out whether Frederic had any brothers or> > sisters?> >> > Any help you might be able to give me would be greatly appreciated.> >> > thanking you all the way from Melbourne, Australia.> > Sharon> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, ! please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

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Hello there Simon, I've been watching your exchange with various people on the List. As another piece of useful information I might add that in the 1841 census (and only in that one apparently) the age of adults (over 15 years) was rounded down to the nearest 5 years, e.g, age 43 would appear as 40. This might account for a 4 year difference in age, but not a 9 year one! Good luck with your researches - be warned, it is addictive! But maybe you have already found that out. All the best, Judith 10915 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: 26 June 2008 17:24 To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Hello all A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. A couple of more questions if I may. I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this is him? Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same person? Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Importance: High Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1519 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 4:13 PM

Hello to all, I have recently started to look into my families history on my fathers side, being Grosvenor. My grandfathers name was Frederic Charles Bertram Ferdinand GROSVENOR. He was born in Brighton I believe in 1894. His fathers name was Joseph Ferdinand (engineer) and his mothers name was Emily. He moved to Australia and joined the Australian Army on the 5th October 1916. He married Sylvia Madeline Neave in Western Australia on the 19th February 1920. He was then 25yrs old and she was 24yrs old. They lived in Collie in Western Australia where they had 3 daughters (Norma, Joan and Joy) and 1 son (Gordon). He is my father. Frederic Grosvenor died in Western Australia in 1949. My family has no information about him prior to the marriage. The only information I have been able to find out about Frederic is from his war service record in Australia. He listed his trade as Motor Mechanic. His fathers address is listed as Joseph Ferdinand Grosvenor of 2 Patham Terrace, Preston Sussex England. I have checked census records but have not had any luck finding the family. Ideally I would like to find out whether Frederic had any brothers or sisters? Any help you might be able to give me would be greatly appreciated. thanking you all the way from Melbourne, Australia. Sharon

Thanks for that, Debbie. It's good to be reminded that genealogy is not an exact science - anything but. It's hard work finding absolute and corroborated proof of an ancestor's existence. I've been researching since 1980, and have accumulated mountains of data. My ancestors may be in there somewhere, but even if I never find them the experience has been fascinating. Tony 9967 Petersfield Researching (principally) Holkham, Holcombe, Halcombe, Hockham, Hawkham and all known variants - see http://www.tonyholkham.co.uk/holkham_ancestry.htm On 27/06/2008, Deborah Montgomerie <ifm@whidbey.net> wrote: > Hi Simon, > > You have to realize that 1. Not all parish records are in the IGI, it is an > ongoing project. Therefore if Stephen was baptized it may just be that his > baptism isn't in the database yet. & 2. Your Stephen may have not been > baptized. 3. It is possible that he was baptized in another parish not yet > transcribed or another county entirely such as Kent. Families from Sussex > often spread to Kent to find work. 4. If the information on the IGI states > it is from a member of the LDS then you cannot be sure that it is correct. > > I have found that the earlier census information is often the nearest to the > correct age. BUT having said that people often either lied about their ages > for various reasons or simply couldn't remember their true age or if someone > else was giving the information to the emumerator they could have just > guessed. Until you have absolute proof from a source such as a birth > certificate, the actual parish record or even a newspaper announcement you > can never be sure. Kathleen's advice in an earlier e-mail to visit a LDS > center is a good one. The librarians there are extremely helpful. > > Regarding the various information that you have found. It was more common > in past times that several children in a family could have the same name. > Sometimes this was to honour a grandparent or a favourite uncle or a > relative killed in a war. There could have been any number of reasons. > Sometimes in one family there could have 2 children with the same name. The > reason for this was because if a child was sickly and it was thought that it > might die then the next child was often given the same name. However, of > course maybe the sickly child didn't die and then you ended up with 2 > children with the same name. In that case one of the children might have > been known by his 2nd christian name during later life. > > I would suggest you take a good look on the IGI to see all of the families > with the name of Sellman in Ewhurst and try to follow them through their > marriages and children in censuses. This way you can see how many Stephen's > there were for example. It is highly probable that there was a grandfather > named Stephen who had amongst other siblings a William & a Limbro and that > both of the brothers called a child Stephen. I too have the name Stephen in > one of my Sussex families and I had to start a large database in order to > keep control of which Stephen I was finding information about :-) However, > it did help me get a clearer picture. > > The best way is to take the research slowly and to double check dates and > information. > > Other sites that may help you are: www.familyhistoryonline.net, > www.historicaldirectories.org, www.genuki.org.uk, > www.nationalarchives.gov.uk > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Simon Orchard > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:24 AM > To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst > > Hello all > > A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in > point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with > finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. > > A couple of more questions if I may. > > I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of > christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would > reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years > old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this > is him? > > Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the > 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same > person? > > Simon 12772 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] > Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 > To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst > Importance: High > > Hi Simon, > > Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? > Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 > at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and > Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of > information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further > let me know. > > Good Luck, > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Simon Orchard > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM > To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst > > > Dear all > > This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in > advance for any newbie type questions. > > I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have > got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find > the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at > Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as > Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the > 1841 census. > > > I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, > 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. > > Many thanks in advance for any help. > > > Simon Orchard 12772 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Simon, There are some avenues that haven't yet been explored. The first is to search www.a2a.org.uk. Two records of interest come up when searching for SELLMAN in East Sussex Additional Manuscripts, Catalogue Y Catalogue Ref. AMSY Creator(s): East Sussex Record Office, Lewes [Access Conditions] Records are open for consultation unless otherwise indicated Documents relating to the Ades family of Brede FILE - Lease for 21 years from 29 Sep 1759 at £151 4s - ref. AMS6385/2 - date: 10 Mar 1760 [from Scope and Content] W: John Graham, Robert Smith, Sarah French, Limbro Sellman, Selina St John, William Sharp PARISH OF EWHURST Catalogue Ref. PAR324 Creator(s): Church of England, Ewhurst Parish, East Sussex Overseers of the Poor: bastardy records - ref. PAR324/34 Maintenance orders FILE - Maintenance order - ref. PAR324/34/4/69 - date: 10 Oct 1820 [from Scope and Content] Stephen Sellman, labourer, to pay 2s 6d weekly for the maintenance of child born to Sarah Ann Harmer Additional Manuscripts, Catalogue Z Catalogue Ref. AMSZ Creator(s): East Sussex Record Office, Lewes [Access Conditions] Records are open for consultation unless otherwise indicated Searching for LIMBRO in East Sussex yields three records, one of which is listed above BRUNDRETT & CO OF 10 KINGS BENCH WALK, SOLICITORS: CLIENTS' PAPERS Trustees of the will of Col John By of Shernfold in Frant - ref. AMS6417/1 [from Scope and Content] Thomas Reed, Edward Fisher and William Fisher sold the 46a 3r to James Rogers and his trustee William Lambert on 18 and 19 June 1804, and the 18a 2r 18p to him on 27 and 28 December 1809. The second purchase was mortgaged to William Selman (possibly the executor of Limbro Selman, whose will of 27 August 1807 was in the bundle) and Thomas Reed for £300 on 25 June 1810, and the first to William Baker on 13 and 14 April 1813. On 7 March 1821 the first mortgage was transferred to Thomas Reed alone, and the second mortgage assigned to Katherine Rosam by William Baker's heirs (his will of 12 November 1822 was in the bundle) on 13 and 14 October 1831 PARISH OF EWHURST Catalogue Ref. PAR324 Creator(s): Church of England, Ewhurst Parish, East Sussex Overseers of the Poor: bastardy records - ref. PAR324/34 Maintenance orders FILE - Maintenance order - ref. PAR324/34/4/11 - date: 9 Nov 1789 [from Scope and Content] Limbro Salmon the younger, to pay 1s 6d weekly for the maintenance of child born to Ann Christmas These latter two provide alternative spellings of the surname (SELMAN and SALMON). If you say SELLMAN quickly, it is easy to see how it could morph into SALMON. The records also indicate that a will exists for LIMBRO SELMAN. There is a post on rootsweb regarding LIMBRO SELLMAN (http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.sellman/79/mb.ashx). It was made in 2003, but may be worth following up on. There is a World tree on ancestry.com that contain LIMBRO SELMAN. It would appear that a LIMBRO SELMAN was christened in Ewhurst on 26 Aug 1767 and was the son of LIMBRO SELMAN and MARY. There is quite a bit of information on that family. The information may be useful in helping eliminate some lines. Searching documents on line at www.pro.gov.uk shows that you can download the will of LIMBRO SELMAN (Yeoman of Ewhust; will dated 28 Jul 1808). Google books did not appear to yield anything of interest I hope that this was helpful. Regards Mark Milton (9750) Simon Orchard wrote: > Hello all > > A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in > point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with > finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. > > A couple of more questions if I may. > > I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of > christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would > reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years > old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this > is him? > > Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the > 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same > person? > > Simon 12772 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] > Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 > To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst > Importance: High > > Hi Simon, > > Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? > Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 > at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and > Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of > information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further > let me know. > > Good Luck, > > Debbie > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Simon Orchard > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM > To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst > > > Dear all > > This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in > advance for any newbie type questions. > > I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have > got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find > the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at > Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as > Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the > 1841 census. > > > I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, > 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. > > Many thanks in advance for any help. > > > Simon Orchard 12772 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello all A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. A couple of more questions if I may. I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this is him? Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same person? Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Importance: High Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Simon, You have to realize that 1. Not all parish records are in the IGI, it is an ongoing project. Therefore if Stephen was baptized it may just be that his baptism isn't in the database yet. & 2. Your Stephen may have not been baptized. 3. It is possible that he was baptized in another parish not yet transcribed or another county entirely such as Kent. Families from Sussex often spread to Kent to find work. 4. If the information on the IGI states it is from a member of the LDS then you cannot be sure that it is correct. I have found that the earlier census information is often the nearest to the correct age. BUT having said that people often either lied about their ages for various reasons or simply couldn't remember their true age or if someone else was giving the information to the emumerator they could have just guessed. Until you have absolute proof from a source such as a birth certificate, the actual parish record or even a newspaper announcement you can never be sure. Kathleen's advice in an earlier e-mail to visit a LDS center is a good one. The librarians there are extremely helpful. Regarding the various information that you have found. It was more common in past times that several children in a family could have the same name. Sometimes this was to honour a grandparent or a favourite uncle or a relative killed in a war. There could have been any number of reasons. Sometimes in one family there could have 2 children with the same name. The reason for this was because if a child was sickly and it was thought that it might die then the next child was often given the same name. However, of course maybe the sickly child didn't die and then you ended up with 2 children with the same name. In that case one of the children might have been known by his 2nd christian name during later life. I would suggest you take a good look on the IGI to see all of the families with the name of Sellman in Ewhurst and try to follow them through their marriages and children in censuses. This way you can see how many Stephen's there were for example. It is highly probable that there was a grandfather named Stephen who had amongst other siblings a William & a Limbro and that both of the brothers called a child Stephen. I too have the name Stephen in one of my Sussex families and I had to start a large database in order to keep control of which Stephen I was finding information about :-) However, it did help me get a clearer picture. The best way is to take the research slowly and to double check dates and information. Other sites that may help you are: www.familyhistoryonline.net, www.historicaldirectories.org, www.genuki.org.uk, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:24 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Hello all A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. A couple of more questions if I may. I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this is him? Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same person? Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Importance: High Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. 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Dear Michael Two or three Edward NOAKESes in S.P.I. I'll send you the references. As more names are added, particularly from wills, it becomes more worthwhile to ask of the Sussex People Index, see your Handbook, the magazine, or the website for details. Judy Excell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Lucas" <lem23sac@tiscali.co.uk> To: <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: [SFHG] Noakes Family > Dear Listers, > The Noakes family in the south of England seem to spread over all Sussex > and into Kent so I've been suprised that my pleas for help to find members > of the family has produced so little. I'm not seeking other than > sufficient information to pursue the mambers of the family tree. So my > plea this time is more precise and will, I hope, produce some information. > Primarily I am trying to find the parents of Edward Noakes, Farmer, born C > 1801, but where??, died 9th June 1865 in Lamberhurst, Kent where he > resided at Whisketts Farm. The problem for me is that he appears to have > been born in 1801, which, unfortunately was when more than one Edward > Noakes was born. > The next person is his wife Mary nee Haskell, I'd like to find her birth > date, she was born in Cranboune, Doset C 1802 and she died in Lamberhurst > 17th April 1874.. > If it helps his son also Edward born 15th March 1830 was a Master > Blacksmith and appears to have the Crimea medal. as to a 'photo in my > possession. I have all relevant information on the descendants of Edward > Noakes born 1830, almost without exception, to the present day. Edward is > my Great Grandfather. > There are the clues, who may have answers. > Michael > SFHS 12279 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Michael Lucas <lem23sac@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: Hello Michael. The 1841 census has Edward, a blacksmith, Mary and family living in Lamberhurst. The 1851 and 1861 census has Edward, a farmer, Mary and family still living in Lamberhurst and Edward's birthplace is given as Hastings. From these it would seem that Edward was born 1800/1801. I would think that the most likely candidate for your Edward was the one baptised 28th October 1801 in Hastings son of Edward & Mary Noakes. I have two siblings for him; Mary Ann baptised3rd July 1803 and Jane baptised 25th February 1807. Both in Hastings. An Edward Noakes married a Mary Harman 22nd December 1800 All Saints, Hastings. As a second choice I have another Edward Noakes baptised 13th April 1803, son of John & Mary Noakes. He had several siblings. A John Noakes, of Westfield, married a Mary Carpenter 3rd September 1792 All Saints, Hastings. I hope that this helps a little and set you on your way. Best wishes, robin Dear Listers, The Noakes family in the south of England seem to spread over all Sussex and into Kent so I've been suprised that my pleas for help to find members of the family has produced so little. I'm not seeking other than sufficient information to pursue the mambers of the family tree. So my plea this time is more precise and will, I hope, produce some information. Primarily I am trying to find the parents of Edward Noakes, Farmer, born C 1801, but where??, died 9th June 1865 in Lamberhurst, Kent where he resided at Whisketts Farm. The problem for me is that he appears to have been born in 1801, which, unfortunately was when more than one Edward Noakes was born. The next person is his wife Mary nee Haskell, I'd like to find her birth date, she was born in Cranboune, Doset C 1802 and she died in Lamberhurst 17th April 1874.. If it helps his son also Edward born 15th March 1830 was a Master Blacksmith and appears to have the Crimea medal. as to a 'photo in my possession. I have all relevant information on the descendants of Edward Noakes born 1830, almost without exception, to the present day. Edward is my Great Grandfather. There are the clues, who may have answers. Michael SFHS 12279 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, The Noakes family in the south of England seem to spread over all Sussex and into Kent so I've been suprised that my pleas for help to find members of the family has produced so little. I'm not seeking other than sufficient information to pursue the mambers of the family tree. So my plea this time is more precise and will, I hope, produce some information. Primarily I am trying to find the parents of Edward Noakes, Farmer, born C 1801, but where??, died 9th June 1865 in Lamberhurst, Kent where he resided at Whisketts Farm. The problem for me is that he appears to have been born in 1801, which, unfortunately was when more than one Edward Noakes was born. The next person is his wife Mary nee Haskell, I'd like to find her birth date, she was born in Cranboune, Doset C 1802 and she died in Lamberhurst 17th April 1874.. If it helps his son also Edward born 15th March 1830 was a Master Blacksmith and appears to have the Crimea medal. as to a 'photo in my possession. I have all relevant information on the descendants of Edward Noakes born 1830, almost without exception, to the present day. Edward is my Great Grandfather. There are the clues, who may have answers. Michael SFHS 12279

Alan. In addition to your 1881 and 1891 census entries I can also (from Ancestry) find the following: 1871 Brighton, 3 Richmond Bldgs .....William Grainger 34 Grocers Porter b.Lewes .....Ancestry list him wrongly as GERINGER 1861 Brighton, 15 Richmond Bldgs .....William Granger 25 Grocers assistant b.Lewes 1851 Lewes St John the Baptist, Priory Street .....William Grainger 13 Labourer General b.Lewes .....Lodger with Burfield family 1841 St John the Baptist Southover (Lewes) Priory Street .....William Granger 5 b.Sussex .....Just he and James Ashby (age 25) in household - ??? If you are able to visit the SFHG Library, you may be able to find William's christening in the Lewes/Southover parish register transcripts and possibly Henry's marriage in the same transscripts or the Sussex Marriage Index. If you are unable to get to the Library,you may wish to e-mail Rosemary Appleton (with details of William's birth date/place) and write to Frank Leeson (with SAE, to see if Henry's marriage is in SMI). Details of both are on the inside back cover of the June issue of Sussex Family Historian. Regards, John Cain 10370

There is a published pedigree for MASCALL of Plumpton in "Sussex Genealogies, Ardingly Centre" by John Comber which goes into a great deal of detail concerning the family in the 16th Century. I couldn't see a reference there to a Leonard MASCALL, but I did skim the pages fairly quickly. If you would like me to send you an extract from this book as a *.pdf file, please contact me off-List at woolgar@one-name.org . Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

Hi Simon   I see others have already pointed you in the direction of the Familysearch website, a must for all of us. It might be worth also mentioning that the Mormon church also has family history centres attached to some of its churches, where you can look at an amazing selection of things on microfilm, including the parish records which contain the entries you need. You don't mention where you are situated geographically, so it may not be possible for you to get to one, but check their site for details of the nearest one to you. The films can be reserved for hire by the month - current price is about £2.80 for a month's hire.   Kathleen --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Simon Orchard <simon@orchard-family.net> wrote: From: Simon Orchard <simon@orchard-family.net> Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 6:02 PM Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be interested in this too as I have MASCALL family lines in Sussex. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Dench" <sally.dench@lineone.net> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:38 PM Subject: [SFHG] MASCALL, Plumpton > Dear all > > I wondered if anyone could shed any light on this. The MASCALL family > lived > in Plumpton, at Plumpton Place, in the 16th century and probably later. > There is a famous MASCALL - Leonard, who apparently introduced the Cox's > Pippen apple and wrote books on agriculture, etc in the 16th century - > books > on Sussex that I have seen say he was a Plumpton MASCALL, the Oxford > Dictionary of National Biography says he was not. > > Does anyone know anything about this? I have a connection with the MASCALL > family in Plumpton that far back and would be interested in knowing more. > Know that I could follow family histories further, but just wondered > whether > anyone had already done this or knew something. > > Many thanks and best wishes > Sally > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Simon Orchard <simon@orchard-family.net> wrote: Hello Simon. I see that someone has already found details of Stephen's two marriages. I may have have found details of his first wife's death. Free B.M.D. has a Jane Sellman death in the September quarter of 1842 in the Hastings area which may explain why he had a second wife. The IGI has several children born to Stephen and Jane but I cannot find any record of a Stephen born c1801 in Ewehurst area. There was one born 1792 in Ewehurst. Good hunting and best wishes. Robin Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Simon Found the following Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: Place: Ewhurst, East Sussex, Date: 13 May 1820: Subject: Stephen SELMAN Spouse: Jane KEMP Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: Place: Peasmarsh, East Sussex, Date: 10 Sep 1790: Subject: Limbro SELMAN, Ewhurst Spouse: Susanna DALE Limbro and Hannah had 2 sons Thomas 1791 and Stehhen IGI batch No. C148041 Same batch no above Limbro father 26 Aug 1767 All Ewhurst Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: Place: Rolvenden, Kent, Date: 5 Apr 1763: Subject: Limbro SELMAN, Northiam ESX Spouse: Mary DERBY, otp Extra Information: w: Thomas BUSS Alexander BASSOCK Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: Place: Northiam, East Sussex, Date: -- Mar 1763: Subject: Limbro SELLMAN Spouse: Mary DERBY, Rolvenden Stephen Sellman 2nd wife Leonora Frances Dawson Free BMD Jun Quarter 1857 Vol 7 page 401 district Battle Regards Jackie 10751 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: 25 June 2008 18:02 To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772