Alan - Er, what was the question again? :-)) I don't think so - buying Windows XP Pro for a Mac (even if you have VMware thingy) sounds a bit like putting custard on your roast beef. I'm keeping an old Windows 98 laptop for viewing such CDs as are not viewable on my Mac. Thanks for trying, though! Best wishes Tony 9967 On 04/07/2008, webmaster@sfhg.org.uk <webmaster@sfhg.org.uk> wrote: > A member who has been an SMI PC user now owns a Mac with VMware Fusion > partition virtual machine with Windows XP Pro, and the SMI CD works on it. > > We can't guarantee it will work - borrowing a CD may be a sensible first > step - but it may be of interest to some. > > Alan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A member who has been an SMI PC user now owns a Mac with VMware Fusion partition virtual machine with Windows XP Pro, and the SMI CD works on it. We can't guarantee it will work - borrowing a CD may be a sensible first step - but it may be of interest to some. Alan

The British vital records index is a valuable tool. It is an extraction of parish records done by volunteers. For the most part - it is accurate. The only problem I have found so far is that the incorrect parish is listed in some of the entries. Some of the Salehurst entries are listed as having been extracted from Rye. There was also a problem with one of the other parish extractions - ie listed as in the wrong parish - I believe it was Frant but can't be sure right now. Beverly

>From GOOGLE: STICK TO YOUR GUNS/STAND TO YOUR GUNS - It's a military term. "Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings" by Gregory Y. Titelman. (Random House, New York, 1996) states: "Stick to your guns - hold to your convictions and rights. The proverb has been traced back to the 'Life of Samuel Johnson' by James Bobswell (1740-95). It was first attested in the United States in 'Seven Keys to Baldpate (1913) by Earl Derr Biggers (1884-1933)." The "Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins" by Robert Hendrickson (Facts on File, New York, 1997) says the term may be military in origin and lists a mention of the term "as late as 1839, in a popular novel called 'Ten Thousand a Year' the words put in the mouth of a civilian named Mr. Titmouse." "Fighting Words: From War, Rebellion, and Other Combative Capers" by Christine Ammer (NTC Publishing Group, Chicago, 1989) has the most detailed explanation, ".Less in doubt than managing to hit a target was a gunner's obligation to stay at his post, whence the British term 'stand to one's guns' (in America, 'stick to one's guns'), meaning to persist and not give way. James Boswell, Samuel Johnson's biographer, writes in 1769, 'Mrs. Thrale stood to her gun with great courage in defense of amorous ditties.' A more perplexing use of this phrase occurred in a 1909 account about the staunchly pacifist Society of Friends: 'The Quakers stood to their guns, and without any resort to brute force, finally won.'" > Sounds like one for the Americans! > > Georgina > 10821 > > Georgina Colwell > www.musicair.co.uk > www.musictheatrebritain.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Dkn72a@aol.com> > To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:30 AM > Subject: [SFHG] Query > > >> Does anyone know where the expression " Stick to your guns " >> originated >> and why ? >> >> Diane 10813 >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 00:30:31 EDT Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: Hello Dkn72a@aol.com, > Does anyone know where the expression " Stick to your guns " > originated and why ? It's a military term. Well, an order, really meaning stay put, keep firing, even though you're in danger as a result. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" If a thought came in your head it would die of loneliness I Don't Like You - Stiff Little Fingers

Sounds like one for the Americans! Georgina 10821 Georgina Colwell www.musicair.co.uk www.musictheatrebritain.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dkn72a@aol.com> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:30 AM Subject: [SFHG] Query > Does anyone know where the expression " Stick to your guns " > originated > and why ? > > Diane 10813 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Does anyone know where the expression " Stick to your guns " originated and why ? Diane 10813

The latest issue of the SussexLink newsletter has been published.and is now available on the website at: http://www.sfhg.org.uk/sussexlink.html Trevor Hanson Editor - Sussex Family Historian Sussex Family History Group

Hi John, Thank you for the information you provided on the census. I have looked at the parish registers for all of Lewes and some of the surrounding parishes, but without any luck. I have also looked at the Sussex Marriage Index and there is not a marriage for a Henry Granger any where around that time. So, at the moment, this is remaining a brickwall for me. If anyone else has any information for a William Granger born around1836, I would be grateful to hear from you. Alan Tubb member 1917 John Cain <cainjo1@postmaster.co.uk> wrote: Alan. In addition to your 1881 and 1891 census entries I can also (from Ancestry) find the following: 1871 Brighton, 3 Richmond Bldgs .....William Grainger 34 Grocers Porter b.Lewes .....Ancestry list him wrongly as GERINGER 1861 Brighton, 15 Richmond Bldgs .....William Granger 25 Grocers assistant b.Lewes 1851 Lewes St John the Baptist, Priory Street .....William Grainger 13 Labourer General b.Lewes .....Lodger with Burfield family 1841 St John the Baptist Southover (Lewes) Priory Street .....William Granger 5 b.Sussex .....Just he and James Ashby (age 25) in household - ??? If you are able to visit the SFHG Library, you may be able to find William's christening in the Lewes/Southover parish register transcripts and possibly Henry's marriage in the same transscripts or the Sussex Marriage Index. If you are unable to get to the Library,you may wish to e-mail Rosemary Appleton (with details of William's birth date/place) and write to Frank Leeson (with SAE, to see if Henry's marriage is in SMI). Details of both are on the inside back cover of the June issue of Sussex Family Historian. Regards, John Cain 10370

> In the will of Edward Dolman proved 1719 It refers to his loving brothers > Dr ? *ogoley and Mr Daniel Lucas as executors. Witnessed by Robt Bagster, > Elizabeth Lucas ( wife of Daniel) and Minerva Humphrys. ( possibly his > sister) Checking for "brothers" I looked at the will of Daniel Lucas, > carpenter: He had many properties in Lower West lane also the Dog and Duck > and other property Other names mentioned Stephen Briggs John Linton John > Mathew William Hudson, John Attwood John Attwood Junr and Matt Caffin. > His son Daniel Lucas was the one who left a bottle saying he was builder > of house west of St Pancras church 1741 now Gaumont cinema ( ref: > National Archives) Daniel senior's, daughter Ann Lucas left 5 pound to > Robert Bagster. > Checking Robert Bagster he was noted as Clerk, of Chichester in 1721 was > noted as being one of the trustees in the property" which shall belong to > the Society for preaching of the Gospel and Religious Worship pursuant to > the Act of Parliament for Toleration "-Baffin Lane ( Baptist) Chapel > There are many names mentioned in this which in the past may have been > "Lost" so worth checking Found on Non Conformist Records National > Archives Can anyone tell me where I can find out if Edward Dolman was > part of this Brethren as he mentions his "loving brothers" and they may > have met as a group prior to the 1721 Deeds for Baffin Lane property. I > cannot find any family connections. Also any help or suggestions re Dr " > * Ogoley or * Ogohy > > Hope someone can help > Penelope Ferguson > 11419

Hi Barbara Tom Collins, age 9 (born Poole about 1842), visiting Wyatt family in Lytchett Minster, Dorset. Luke Wyatt was the family head. Also if it's any use, Tom Salter Collins death registered in Poole Q4 1907, estimated birth year 1842. Regards Tony Golding (11552) > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > barbara-lucas@tiscali.co.uk > Sent: 30 June 2008 17:55 > To: SFHG > Subject: [SFHG] 1851 Census Look-up Request: Tom Salter Collins > > Hello Listers, > > This isn't a Sussex query, but I'm wondering if sks would do > an 1851 Census look-up for me, please? > > Tom Salter Collins, born about 1841 Poole, Dorset, son of > Stephen Collins, Stonemason. > > Hopefully, > > Barbara (Lucas 10061) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers, This isn't a Sussex query, but I'm wondering if sks would do an 1851 Census look-up for me, please? Tom Salter Collins, born about 1841 Poole, Dorset, son of Stephen Collins, Stonemason. Hopefully, Barbara (Lucas 10061)

Many thanks once again for all the helpful advice and pointers. One interesting little thing I discovered about my Sellman ancestors is that during the last quarter of the 19th century several of my relations were in domestic service at Battle Abbey. For example, in 1881 my great great grandparents are listed as lodge keepers living at Battle Abbey gatehouse, then in 1891 my them widowed great great grandmother and her son, my great grandfather lived at Battle abbey lodge, which today as it turns out can be rented from English Heritage for holidays http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/server/show/nav.00100100100j008001 Now I'll have to see if I can track down photos from the period, although I'm an expat now living in Norway I'm coming over to Sussex for a few days to do a spot of family history hunting. Regards from the Arctic Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Judith Mooney [mailto:judith.brooke@btinternet.com] Sent: 27 June 2008 17:33 To: Simon Orchard; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Hello there Simon, I've been watching your exchange with various people on the List. As another piece of useful information I might add that in the 1841 census (and only in that one apparently) the age of adults (over 15 years) was rounded down to the nearest 5 years, e.g, age 43 would appear as 40. This might account for a 4 year difference in age, but not a 9 year one! Good luck with your researches - be warned, it is addictive! But maybe you have already found that out. All the best, Judith 10915 -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: 26 June 2008 17:24 To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Hello all A huge thank you to everyone for the magnificent help you've given and in point me in the right direction, it's helped me enormously, especially with finding the maiden names of many of my female relatives. A couple of more questions if I may. I see that the only Stephen Sellman that turns up in the IGI database of christenings is from 1792, however in the 1841 and 1851 census his age would reflect a birth date of 1801 there abouts, ie. Listed as 40 and 50 years old. The question is, are the census ages reliable? Is it likely that this is him? Stephen's father I found listed elsewhere as being a William Sellman yet the 1792 Stephen has Limbro Sellman listed. Could these be one and the same person? Simon 12772 -----Original Message----- From: Deborah Montgomerie [mailto:ifm@whidbey.net] Sent: 25 June 2008 20:41 To: 'Simon Orchard'; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Importance: High Hi Simon, Welcome to the list! Are you familiar with the site www.familysearch.org? Stephen's marriages are listed on there. He married Jane Kemp 13 May 1820 at Ewhurst and on the 10 April 1847 he married Leonora Francis Dawson and Stephen's father is listed as William Sellman. The site has quite a bit of information regarding Sel(l)man families in Ewhurst. If I can help further let me know. Good Luck, Debbie -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orchard Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:02 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] The SELLMANs of Ewhurst Dear all This is my first post and I'm rather new at family history so apologies in advance for any newbie type questions. I'm researching the Sellman's (Selman) of Ewhurst and East Sussex and have got about as far as I can with what's available online. I'm looking to find the parents and any brothers or sisters of Stephen SELLMAN born ca.1801 at Ewhurst. I'm also looking for the his wife's or wives maiden names, named as Leonora Frances born ca.1810 in the 1851 census and Jane born ca.1801 in the 1841 census. I'm also looking for a family connection between Stephen and Samuel Sellman, 35 years old and living at Pett in 1841. Many thanks in advance for any help. Simon Orchard 12772 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1519 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 4:13 PM

Hi Diane I'd be interested to know on what basis you state that this book was well researched and accurate? Best Wishes Alan Craven ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dkn72a@aol.com> To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <dbrabant@distributel.com> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: [SFHG] fh >I have just finished reading 'Victorian London' - the life of a city >1840 > - 1870 by Liza Picard > ISBN 0-7538 - 2090-0 - although Liza concentrates on a much smaller > London, it does give > a very well researched and accurate picture of the way our relatives lived > in towns and cities all > over the country. The general impression I got was that inherited ME, > lack > of intelligent parents, > overcrowded schools, Dyslexia, lack of a proper drainage system, lack of > Birth Control, and other > medical problems were the the cause of the squalor that existed, which > was > ignored by those better > endowed. Although she does detail the many Societies organised to help > with > the social problems. > Gladstone knew perfectly well what was going on, and used money for > other > things. These are the people > on the Census Returns we research. The sewing machine wasnt invented > until > 1856, and until then all > those long seams on dresses were stitched by hand as outwork, for 2 > shillings a week. > I suppose those born to be 'ag.labs' in Sussex were more fortunate to be > out > in the fresh air, away from the stinks of London. But who could have > paid 1 > shilling to have a bucket toilet taken away and emptied ? It was easier > to > tip it out in the street. > My grandmother used to say " The aristocracy created work for people." > Life was very different then. > Diane 10813 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

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I live in New Zealand and have come to the conclusion that I need a professional researcher to work on one part of my family tree. It is all West Sussex and would cover the years 1550-1470. Can anyone recommend a researcher who they have found efficient, reliable and good to work with? I know I can locate a professional researcher by looking at the ads. but I would really like to have a personal recommendation.

For what it`s worth, I`ve just checked FreeBMD and found that there were no Grosvenor births in Sussex between 1890 and 1900. There were 2 male Grosvenor marriages in Brighton between 1870 and 1890 Frederick in Q4 1873 who could well have married an Emily Carpenter. And Charles in Q4 1875. There were 12 births in Sussex between 1870 and 1890 all in Brighton, Now I have personal experience that FreeBMDs records are not complete even when they appear to be so, HTH Joe Austen 9934 in the good old land of OZ, where those of us that live in the more civilised parts of the country are enjoying temperatures of up to 16-26c eventhough it`s midwinter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Grosvenor" <babashaz@bigpond.com> To: <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: [SFHG] Grosvenor family > > Hello to all, > > > I have recently started to look into my families history on my fathers > side, being Grosvenor. > > My grandfathers name was Frederic Charles Bertram Ferdinand > GROSVENOR. He was born in Brighton I believe in 1894. His fathers > name was Joseph Ferdinand (engineer) and his mothers name was Emily. > He moved to Australia and joined the Australian Army on the 5th > October 1916. He married Sylvia Madeline Neave in Western Australia > on the 19th February 1920. He was then 25yrs old and she was 24yrs > old. They lived in Collie in Western Australia where they had 3 > daughters (Norma, Joan and Joy) and 1 son (Gordon). He is my father. > Frederic Grosvenor died in Western Australia in 1949. My family has > no information about him prior to the marriage. > > The only information I have been able to find out about Frederic is > from his war service record in Australia. He listed his trade as > Motor Mechanic. His fathers address is listed as Joseph Ferdinand > Grosvenor of 2 Patham Terrace, Preston Sussex England. > > I have checked census records but have not had any luck finding the > family. > > Ideally I would like to find out whether Frederic had any brothers or > sisters? > > Any help you might be able to give me would be greatly appreciated. > > thanking you all the way from Melbourne, Australia. > Sharon > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:10:37 EDT Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: Hello Dkn72a@aol.com, > overcrowded schools, Dyslexia, lack of a proper drainage system, > lack of Birth Control, ..... which was ignored by those better > endowed. Not always true; When it comes to drainage/sewage there were those quite vocal about the appalling state of London's network. It was politics that stopped the necessary works starting before they did. It took a hot summer and the unbelievably awful stench of the Thames to get things moving. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Stink which has links to other relevant information. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Black man got a lot of problems, but he don't mind throwing a brick White Riot - The Clash

Dear Roger, The BVRI.2 is moderately priced, I bought mine a few years ago at a cost of AUD29.95, (by comparison the SMI cost about AUD49.95 when I bought it in 2004) It covers Marriages and Birth/Christenings only, it covers aome of the records missed by the IGI. it has coverage in over 40 counties. The cost when I bought it was equivalent to 2 certificates from the GRO for 17 CDs I`ve only had limited success with it, but it should be viewed as an extension of the IGI only. I don`t have all the information that you require, but I hope this helps, Regards Joe Austen 9934 in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROGER RUSHTON" <rogerofgoostrey@btinternet.com> To: "SFHG" <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 2:55 AM Subject: [SFHG] British Vital Records Index >I have just heard that the British Vital Records Index might be worth >purchasing. > > I would like comments from other listers on the BVRI CD set, with special > regard to the following points: > > 1. Are they worth purchasing? Do they have any short comings? > > 2. I have interests in East Sussex, Staffordshire, Gloucestershire and > Herefordshire. What sort of coverage is there for these counties? What > years are covered? Does the BVRI only cover baptisms?. > > 3. How and where can I purchase them? > > 4. What is the cost? > Thanks in advance. > Kind regards > > > Roger Rushton > 9885 > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available > now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I have just finished reading 'Victorian London' - the life of a city 1840 - 1870 by Liza Picard ISBN 0-7538 - 2090-0 - although Liza concentrates on a much smaller London, it does give a very well researched and accurate picture of the way our relatives lived in towns and cities all over the country. The general impression I got was that inherited ME, lack of intelligent parents, overcrowded schools, Dyslexia, lack of a proper drainage system, lack of Birth Control, and other medical problems were the the cause of the squalor that existed, which was ignored by those better endowed. Although she does detail the many Societies organised to help with the social problems. Gladstone knew perfectly well what was going on, and used money for other things. These are the people on the Census Returns we research. The sewing machine wasnt invented until 1856, and until then all those long seams on dresses were stitched by hand as outwork, for 2 shillings a week. I suppose those born to be 'ag.labs' in Sussex were more fortunate to be out in the fresh air, away from the stinks of London. But who could have paid 1 shilling to have a bucket toilet taken away and emptied ? It was easier to tip it out in the street. My grandmother used to say " The aristocracy created work for people." Life was very different then. Diane 10813