Marion, I have had a quick look through my hoard, and found, a CD which says 1-2-3 Release 4. AMI Pro Release 3, I got it either with my first computer which was windows 311 or the second which was 98. I also have a floppy Windows 98 Second Edition Boot disk.An SB 16-bit multimedia audio card (floppy). If any use send me your details. regards Joe Austen in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Woolgar" <listmail2008@btinternet.com> To: "SFHG Post Messages" <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Old Family History Programs Needed > My thanks to all those who have replied to my appeal for help so far. I > have now accepted offers of the following programs: > > DOS 6.22 > An early version of Lotus SmartSuite (which may, or may not, hold the > answer > to the AmiPro problem) > Compilation CD of a variety of old genealogy programs > Generations Family Tree > > Lotus AmiPro looks like a key program, because it apparently has good > conversion utilities for a variety of old word processing programs such as > Manuscript etc. So if anyone does have a copy of the stand alone program > which they can offer, I would very much like to hear from them. > > Best wishes > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > SFHG NO: 3323 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Marion, My husband has a 56k standard modem card and also a 5.25" floppy drive which he would be happy to send you. If you would like them please send your address details off line. Best wishes, Mary 11675 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Woolgar" <listmail2008@btinternet.com> To: "SFHG Post Messages" <SFHG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: [SFHG] Old Family History Programs Needed > The West Sussex Record Office (WSRO) currently have a problem concerning > old > Family History programs which I am trying to help them to resolve and I am > asking for your help. > > Over the past 20 or so years, WSRO have received genealogy data deposited > by > individual researchers, many of whom have passed away in the intervening > years. Of course, this data should have been deposited in GEDCOM format > so > that it can easily be transferred to a modern program, but much of it is > in > an old program's native format and now cannot be retrieved without the > parent program. Some of this data will have been produced on formats that > ran under Win 3.1 or Win95 operating systems and some under MS DOS. Yes, > these really are very old programs, many of which do not exist today. > > With the help of a number of friends who have donated components that > would > otherwise have been binned, I have built a computer tower upon which I > have > loaded MS DOS and Win98 SE. After a lot of frustration and three days > solid > work, I now have a stable system up and running. I had forgotten just how > "umpty" Win98 SE could be! The computer currently has a 3.5" floppy > drive, > a CD-ROM drive and a CD-RW drive, so data can be transferred from/to > different types of storage media. The idea is that this will be used as a > stand alone computer in the Conservation Department at WSRO and which will > be used to convert this old data into a modern format so that it is > accessible to future generations of researchers. > > I am now asking for your help to load some very old family history > programs > onto this computer. I don't want any copyright or licensing problems to > occur, so these must be programs which you have purchased and used in the > past *and* which you no longer have a use for. I have copies of Family > Tree > Maker and Brother's Keeper, but there were a host of other programs > available 10 or more years ago such as Reunion, Clooz, Ancestral Quest, > Genius, Trees, Cumberland Family Tree and many, many more. Could you > search > through your old floppy disk and CD-ROM boxes to see what you might have > to > donate to this project, please? If you find something which may be of > use, > could you please send an E-mail to me off-List to woolgar@one-name.org > giving me the details of the program's name and version number and whether > it is on floppy disk or CD. > > I also have a need for the following items if anyone has them tucked away > somewhere: > > 1 A copy of Lotus's AmiPro program. This was a program that was issued > as a stand-alone and also as part of the first edition of Smart Suite > around > the mid-1990's. I understand that it was particularly popular in America > and Canada; > > 2 A 56k standard modem card, so that I can get online to load a free AV > program; > > 3 A 5.25" floppy drive, just in case some data turns up on that type of > floppy disk. > > I am going to post this message to a couple of other Lists, so please > forgive me if you should receive multiple copies. > > Best wishes > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > SFHG NO: 3323 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1549 - Release Date: 7/12/2008 > 4:31 PM > > >

Thanks to all who responded about the Generations program. I shall keep on with it - it would be too great an undertaking to transcribe everything! Gordon Smith (8479)

On July 14, 2008 at 11:24 AM Diana Mungall <dianamungall@hotmail.com> wrote asking how to find the enumerators description. > Does anyone know whether Ancestry.com has a facility for allowing one to > see the initial page of a census record, where there is a description of > the enumeration district? I am trying to locate the whereabouts of an > ancestor's home by the features and streets identified by the enumerator > and it is not proving easy. Diana > Well Diane, I try to download this everytime I download a census when looking at the Census page there is a line across the top that reads: for example: You are here: Search > Census > UK Census Collection > 1871 Census Collection > Dorset > Chardstock > District 3 Cick on the Chardstock remembering the District. The next screen you see will be a listing of all the Districts and it is now that you click on: View Description of Enumeration District. I usually save it with the Census. Now if the Enumerator 's writing is reasonable and you know the area you should be able to make it out but be warned the older the Census often the less descriptive it may be and frequently there are slight changes in place names, a study of old maps may help or a search engine. Try putting the name into google and see what it comes up with. Hope that helps Regards Alison Prior Researching: PRIOR, PRIER or PRYER of Felpham, West Sussex PRIOR of Haslemere, Surrey PRIOR of Nottingham COZENS or COUSINS of Felpham, West Sussex IBBETSON of Felpham, West Sussex DASH of Felpham, West Sussex COMBES of Haslemere, Surrey WHITE of Hawkchurch, Dorset ROBINSON of Warwickshire, Staffordshire & Sussex COOK of Warwickshire Alison's Web Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~alison/ SFHG No. 6853 PRIOR FHS No. 258 Web Site: <http://www.vicnet.net.au/~priorfhs> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10250e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/

Hi everyone I joined the guild in November last year after I found that my ancestors had crossed the border into Hampshire between 1848 and 1851. I would greatly appreciate any help members could supply in tracing the name Macey or Masey as I have gone through many parish records and the Sussex Marriage index without any success. Early in the year I contacted two members from the interests list but they unfortunately could not provide any further information. At the moment I am trying to trace the marriage of Samuel Macey ( Masey) born about 1805, and Amelia Stuart born about 1805 ( and died in 1895 aged 90) If they were married this could have been between 1829 and 1834, and my research brings to light six children, William 1834,, George 1836, Leonard 1840, Albert Richard 1844, Alfred 1847, and Mary Ann 1850. The parishes involved were Rustington. Littlehampton , and West Itchenor. I have noted from the 1851 census that Samuel was born in Wyke Sussex. It would be appreciated if someone would point me in the right direction so that I could complete my outstanding query. Thanking you in anticipation . Barry Macey 12283

Diana Thank you very much. No, not a relative. My mother and her brother and sister were probably some of the children waving the flags. I have wondered if present-day family of Waddell of Glasgow knows the story. Every time my mother and aunt saw lots of people waving small flags of celebration they would say "Waddell's sausages are the best." Thank you again. Judy Excell ----- Original Message ----- From: Diana Mungall To: Judy Excell ; SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:37 PM Subject: RE: [SFHG] Glasgow 1918 Judy The most likely candidate is R D Waddell, sausage makers and preserved provision manufacturers; works and offices 81 Napiershall Street, Glasgow ; - branches - Watson Crescent, Merchiston, Edinburgh; Pakenham Street, Belfast; 1 Rubishaw ter. lane, Aberdeen; and West India Dock Road, London e. Robert Davidson Waddell died 2 March 1929 at 'Rednock', 5 Eglinton Drive, Kelvinside. 2 of his executors were CAs but I think the third was a son, Robert Bulloch Waddell, a preserve provisions manaufacturer. The enterprising Mr Waddell left an estate of £5559. If he is a relative of yours, let me know as I live in Kelvinside and can photograph his house for you. Diana > From: JudyW.Excell@ntlworld.com > To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:35:35 +0100 > Subject: [SFHG] Glasgow 1918 > > Hello > > A family story in the Dodds family says that at the celebration of the end > of the First World War in Glasgow, 1918 a local butcher handed out Union > flags to the children to wave. One side was the familiar red, white and blue > crosses and the other said: > 'Waddell's sausages are the best' or perhaps a different spelling of > Waddell. > > Would anyone with access to a 1918 Glasgow directory kindly look up the list > of butchers to look for the enterprising tradesman please? > > Thank you > > Judy Excell > > >

I am trying to find any information about a Stephen Holt probably born in the early 1800's. My Gt. X 2 Grandfather George Britt (or Brett depending which records you look at) married Eliza Holt on 27th April 1852 at Battle parish church. According to various census records Eliza Holt was born in Buckinghamshire, in 1841 she was living with what looks like her grand parents. In the 1851 census she is in service in Buckinghamshire but by 1852 she is in Battle marrying George Britt. On the marriage certificate it lists her father as Stephen Holt, is anybody able to tell me who Stephen Holt was and where he came from as I have been unable to find any trace of him. Thanks for your help. Terry Britt 12067

Judy The most likely candidate is R D Waddell, sausage makers and preserved provision manufacturers; works and offices 81 Napiershall Street, Glasgow ; - branches - Watson Crescent, Merchiston, Edinburgh; Pakenham Street, Belfast; 1 Rubishaw ter. lane, Aberdeen; and West India Dock Road, London e. Robert Davidson Waddell died 2 March 1929 at 'Rednock', 5 Eglinton Drive, Kelvinside. 2 of his executors were CAs but I think the third was a son, Robert Bulloch Waddell, a preserve provisions manaufacturer. The enterprising Mr Waddell left an estate of £5559. If he is a relative of yours, let me know as I live in Kelvinside and can photograph his house for you. Diana> From: JudyW.Excell@ntlworld.com> To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:35:35 +0100> Subject: [SFHG] Glasgow 1918> > Hello> > A family story in the Dodds family says that at the celebration of the end > of the First World War in Glasgow, 1918 a local butcher handed out Union > flags to the children to wave. One side was the familiar red, white and blue > crosses and the other said:> 'Waddell's sausages are the best' or perhaps a different spelling of > Waddell.> > Would anyone with access to a 1918 Glasgow directory kindly look up the list > of butchers to look for the enterprising tradesman please?> > Thank you> > Judy Excell> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Play and win great prizes with Live Search and Kung Fu Panda http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719966/direct/01/

One old meaning is "under the protection of a husband". So it could mean just married, or that the husband is responsible for sustenance. Bryan Jenner 9731 On 14 Jul 2008, at 11:52, jbelch38ll@aol.com wrote: > Good morning > > Can anyone help me with the meaning of a word please,the word is > COVERT,a female?ancestor of mine was in Winchester Prison?as an > inmate?in the 1901 census Marie Osborne aged 43 of Compton,Surrey > and listed as a COVERT.As anyone got any idea what it mean.It seems > it was only pretained to women inmates. > > Regards John Belchamber 6132 > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on > the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited > storage today. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Diana The answer is 'yes'! Go the census you wish to see. Scroll down to the very bottom of the page for this census without entering any details (many people do not bother to scroll so miss a trick). You will find a list of counties. Click on the one you want. Then up comes a list of parishes. Click on yours. You now have a short list of enumeration districts. Click on 'view description' to find a description of the enumerator's walk - these can be difficult to interpret as we seldom know the geography in enough detail, and places have changed. When you have the one that best fits your needs, go back a page and click on the District number which will bring up ALL the pages for that ED. You then methodically search through preferably with a good map (or oldmaps.com) to hand until you have fathomed out the 19th century geography of the census. Great fun and very rewarding. The number of EDs varies a little from census to census, but I have found that if a location is ED 3 in one census it is most likely to be, but not always, the same in another. In towns the complexity is much greater, but I have with patience made successful searches. Of course this is also useful for house searches for house history, or who followed or preceded you ancestors in a property. When searching through villages with no addresses some nimble thinking outside the box can make it possible to find a location. for example in Adlestrop Gloucestershire I once worked out the cottage my ancestor lived in on a visit because I had noted in succeeding censuses that his address, unnamed, was between the vicarage and the schoolmaster. On my visit the vicarage was easy, and 'The Old School House' was a current address! Bingo! Good hunting Roger Nash -----Original Message----- From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Mungall Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:24 AM To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SFHG] 1851 census Does anyone know whether Ancestry.com has a facility for allowing one to see the initial page of a census record, where there is a description of the enumeration district? I am trying to locate the whereabouts of an ancestor's home by the features and streets identified by the enumerator and it is not proving easy. Diana _________________________________________________________________ Play and win great prizes with Live Search and Kung Fu Panda http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719966/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello A family story in the Dodds family says that at the celebration of the end of the First World War in Glasgow, 1918 a local butcher handed out Union flags to the children to wave. One side was the familiar red, white and blue crosses and the other said: "Waddell's sausages are the best" or perhaps a different spelling of Waddell. Would anyone with access to a 1918 Glasgow directory kindly look up the list of butchers to look for the enterprising tradesman please? Thank you Judy Excell

Does anyone know whether Ancestry.com has a facility for allowing one to see the initial page of a census record, where there is a description of the enumeration district? I am trying to locate the whereabouts of an ancestor's home by the features and streets identified by the enumerator and it is not proving easy. Diana _________________________________________________________________ Play and win great prizes with Live Search and Kung Fu Panda http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719966/direct/01/

Hi   On the 1873 listing of land ownerships, Miss Kate Grey of Battle is shown as owning 45 acres in Sussex. This is the Katharine Gray who lived at Ewhurst Place in the 1881 census.   Does anyone have any idea what the 45 acres were? It sounds as though it could have been a farm. I'm outside Sussex so can't get to see any archive copies of rating records if they survive.   Kathleen

Hi   On the 1873 listing of land ownerships, Miss Kate Grey of Battle is shown as owning 45 acres in Sussex. This is the Katharine Gray who lived at Ewhurst Place in the 1881 census.   Does anyone have any idea what the 45 acres were? It sounds as though it could have been a farm. I'm outside Sussex so can't get to see any archive copies of rating records if they survive.   Kathleen

Good morning Can anyone help me with the meaning of a word please,the word is COVERT,a female?ancestor of mine was in Winchester Prison?as an inmate?in the 1901 census Marie Osborne aged 43 of Compton,Surrey and listed as a COVERT.As anyone got any idea what it mean.It seems it was only pretained to women inmates. Regards John Belchamber 6132 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

I've just tried to find my old Reunion disk, but it seems to have disappeared for the moment, perhaps I have it elsewhere. :-) But having said that, I am still running the program on Windows XP, and also, alongside that, Generations. Not sure how my son sorted it out for me, but perhaps it could be along the lines that Steve used. But, I am still using the Sierra version of Generations and I haven't found anything that disappeared. Best wishes, Frances - 1841 Marion Woolgar wrote: > Hello Steve, > > Thanks for the instructions re Windows XP. Part of the problem is that we > are dealing with a need to run very old programs indeed and I have been > advised that Win 98SE is the better bet because it is possible to run MS DOS > alongside it and then run the program straight from DOS via a desktop > shortcut. I have been experimenting with a very old MS DOS word processing > program that I have and Windows XP just doesn't want to know, so I have > opted for the Win98 SE route and that loads the program quite happily. > However, its very interesting to learn that there might be a Windows XP > route for those programs which are not quite so old, so thanks very much > indeed for your advice. > > Best wishes > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > SFHG NO: 3323

Forget the Emily born in 1857, John. She is in the 1861 census and as the census was taken on the night of 7 April it obviously isn't the same one. Sorry, Debbie

oldtimers is definitely kicking in----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Austen To: SFHG-L@rootsweb.com ; EOLFHS-MEMBERS-L@rootsweb.com ; hampshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: results As I was afraid of, the responses are widely varied. I have MAINE(1) MANN(5) MAUN(1) HARRIS(1) HAWS(1). some volunteers, the address didn`t work and a couple replied but forgot to give me their result. By chance a member from Melbourne spotted a marriage on FreeBMD 2 years after my 2xg grandmother (who was the youngest of 7) was born which makes it very likely that my 3xg grandmother was Sarah Mann. I will know more in about 3 weeks when I expect to get back the marriage certificate. Regardless of that, A very big thankyou to all those that volunteered, and also those that would have volunteered had they known before I closed the floodgates. I was greatly surprised by the response as I normally only get Spam on Saturdays. Regards Joe Austen in OZ

The Generations software will run on XP and Vista, but to have all the functions work properly and avoid data loss you need Generations 8.5a. The old Sierra version is not recommended on XP as I know from personal experience data can just disappear. I'll not advertise where you can get it, an internet search finds it quite easily or contact me direct. It does mean that I can carry on happily with Generations for many more years as it really is a good friendly program. Steve Steere Orpington, Kent.

My thanks to all those who have replied to my appeal for help so far. I have now accepted offers of the following programs: DOS 6.22 An early version of Lotus SmartSuite (which may, or may not, hold the answer to the AmiPro problem) Compilation CD of a variety of old genealogy programs Generations Family Tree Lotus AmiPro looks like a key program, because it apparently has good conversion utilities for a variety of old word processing programs such as Manuscript etc. So if anyone does have a copy of the stand alone program which they can offer, I would very much like to hear from them. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323