Hi everybody can i thank those that have given me imformation on the Pestifold family , Yes I did get william wrong it was his son who also married a Harriet. and I have looked up and found many more thanks to you , so i can look for more Pestifold or Pestifield Thaks for your help , and if anyone out there can help with looking up my husbands German family . I have not got a clue what to do first . many internet sites but i just cannot get to grips with it all , Thanks again Lesley SFHG 12074

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:07:33 EDT Dkn72a@aol.com wrote: Hello Dkn72a@aol.com, > I remember all the fuss about Tom Keating, in the 1950s who copied > the Old Masters. Believe he had to go to prison. He did, but not for copying the old masters. He got sent down for trying to pass them off as originals, and selling them at a price. IOW, forgery and deception. After his release, he made a TV series about painting. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" It's got nothing to do with the need to impress Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999

We have sold out all the fiche of "Brighton Baptism Index 1813 to 1837" and are at an advanced stage of putting this on to CD. Brian Cutler found 2500 more baptisms which were missing from the fiche. We have also just run out of the 1979 book Index of "Brighton Presbyterian Registers 1700-1837" which PRTS have now put on a mini-CD and is available from SFHG at £2.50 inc. surface p&p - it will be available from our website with several other new titles. Joe Bysh - Sales Sussex Family History Group 40 Tanbridge Park Horsham RH12 1SZ England www.sfhg.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Woolgar" <listmail2008@btinternet.com> To: "Georgina Colwell" <georgina@musicair.co.uk>; "lesleywhiting" <lesley.whiting3@btinternet.com>; "sfhg" <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] William Pestifold My copy of the "Brighton Baptism Index 1813 to 1837" was purchased on fiche some years ago, priced £7 from the SFHG bookstall - and its been worth every penny that I paid for it. I can't see it on the current publications list, so perhaps its now out of print. If you drop Joe Bysh an E-mail, he should be able to tell you the current position. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

My copy of the "Brighton Baptism Index 1813 to 1837" was purchased on fiche some years ago, priced £7 from the SFHG bookstall - and its been worth every penny that I paid for it. I can't see it on the current publications list, so perhaps its now out of print. If you drop Joe Bysh an E-mail, he should be able to tell you the current position. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

Hi, Is this baptism index available for purchase anywhere? Are there similar products for other areas? Georgina 10821 Georgina Colwell www.musicair.co.uk www.musictheatrebritain.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Woolgar" <listmail2008@btinternet.com> To: "lesleywhiting" <lesley.whiting3@btinternet.com>; "sfhg" <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] William Pestifold >I have just located my copy of the ever useful Brighton Baptism Index 1813 > to 1837 (which I couldn't lay my hands on yesterday) and it shows just one > PESTIFOLD baptism. This was on 24 Sep 1837 and is for William PESTIFOLD, > son of William & Harriett, Labourer of Essex Place. > > Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: > Place: Brighton, East Sussex, Date: 31 Dec 1827: > Subject: William PESTIFOLD, bach > Spouse: Harriet BARNETT, sp botp (B) > > Brighton 1851 Census HO107/1645 folio 84a at 43 John Street > William PESTIFOLD, Head, Mar, 48, Stableman, SSX West Grinstead > Harriott PESTIFOLD, Wife, Mar, Laundress, SS Ashington > William PESTIFOLD, Son, Un, 13, Errand Boy, SSX Brighton > > So, it is William, junior, who was born about 1837 and his father, also > called William was apparently born around 1803 in West Grinstead. So it > is > likely that William, junior did have older siblings. > > I don't think that West Grinstead is on the IGI, but the registers for > this > period are deposited at WSRO and I believe that they have been indexed. > If > you cannot get to WSRO yourself, I am planning my next visit there on 23rd > August. If you would like me to check for that baptism for you, please > contact me off-List before then. > > Best wishes > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > SFHG NO: 3323 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Does anyone have any information about the date of Copyright Law commencement ? On 'Cash in the Attic' today the valuer Jonty Hearnden said the Victorians were very fond of sketching and painting. That they often copied a painting owned by the family. The copy of a gamekeeper shown was worth £50 - £60 and the original would have been worth £500 - £600. The Law in recent years is that a painting has to be over 100 years old to be out of copyright. I remember all the fuss about Tom Keating, in the 1950s who copied the Old Masters. Believe he had to go to prison. Also does anyone have any information about an artist surnamed Such ? Many thanks, Diane 10813

I have just located my copy of the ever useful Brighton Baptism Index 1813 to 1837 (which I couldn't lay my hands on yesterday) and it shows just one PESTIFOLD baptism. This was on 24 Sep 1837 and is for William PESTIFOLD, son of William & Harriett, Labourer of Essex Place. Extract from the Sussex Marriage Index: Place: Brighton, East Sussex, Date: 31 Dec 1827: Subject: William PESTIFOLD, bach Spouse: Harriet BARNETT, sp botp (B) Brighton 1851 Census HO107/1645 folio 84a at 43 John Street William PESTIFOLD, Head, Mar, 48, Stableman, SSX West Grinstead Harriott PESTIFOLD, Wife, Mar, Laundress, SS Ashington William PESTIFOLD, Son, Un, 13, Errand Boy, SSX Brighton So, it is William, junior, who was born about 1837 and his father, also called William was apparently born around 1803 in West Grinstead. So it is likely that William, junior did have older siblings. I don't think that West Grinstead is on the IGI, but the registers for this period are deposited at WSRO and I believe that they have been indexed. If you cannot get to WSRO yourself, I am planning my next visit there on 23rd August. If you would like me to check for that baptism for you, please contact me off-List before then. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

Just wondering if anyone happens to have the Hampshire Genealogical Society's baptism &/or marriage index? - http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/hgs_pub_cds.htm   If so, would you be willing to do one look-up (in each)? Please let me know off-list.   Thank you, Christine Jackson SFHG 397 __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php

------Original Message------ To: lesleywhiting To: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com To: sfhg Subject: Re: [FamilyTree] [SFHG] William Pestifold Sent: 6 Aug 2008 19:39 Looking at the dates, I would suggest that perhaps Harriet and Walter are Williams siblings? ------Original Message------ From: lesleywhiting Sender: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com To: sfhg Subject: [FamilyTree] [SFHG] William Pestifold Sent: 6 Aug 2008 17:56 Hi Can anyone look up please A William Pestifol of Brighton b1837 married a Harriet Jones of Ashington they did not marry till 1859 but did have a daughter Harriett Martha b 1832 and a Walter 1840 Harriet married a Richard Pointing 1854 Brighton William Pestifold Died June 1867 Steyning and Harriet died June 1872 Croydon I cannot find any more Pestifold Can anyone Help Please SFHG 12074 Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Regards, Mark

I am wondering if there is a date wrong somewhere within your message? If William Pestifold was born in 1837, he couldn't have had children born in 1832 or 1840. Best wishes Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG NO: 3323

Hi Can anyone look up please A William Pestifol of Brighton b1837 married a Harriet Jones of Ashington they did not marry till 1859 but did have a daughter Harriett Martha b 1832 and a Walter 1840 Harriet married a Richard Pointing 1854 Brighton William Pestifold Died June 1867 Steyning and Harriet died June 1872 Croydon I cannot find any more Pestifold Can anyone Help Please SFHG 12074 Thanks

Hello again Rachel, Ref my earlier message I should have referenced that I obtained the details I gave from indexes of the Seaford parish registers, 1813-1880 compiled by Lynne H. Kirini. Kind regards, John Green, 9502 in Ontario, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Green" <jandagreen@sympatico.ca> To: "Rachel Howe" <howerrfh@gmail.com>; "SFHG SxFamHXGrp" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] William Ernest HENDERSON > Hello Rachel, > I have looked up the baptism of William Ernest Henderson in Seaford, > but he was not baptised on either of the dates you mention. Also it > appears > he was baptised "Willie Ernest", Full entry as follows: > > Henderson, Willie Ernest, > Parents: George/Sarah > Male > Date: 30 June 1872 > Is it possible that one of the dates you mention is the date of birth? > Regards, John Green, 9502, in Ontario, Canada. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rachel Howe" <howerrfh@gmail.com> > To: "SFHG SxFamHXGrp" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:34 PM > Subject: [SFHG] William Ernest HENDERSON > > >> Wondering if someone who has access to the Sussex Baptism Index could >> look >> up a birthdate for me...William Ernest Henderson was baptized either 25 >> Feb >> 1872 or 25 Apr 1872 to parents George HENDERSON and Sarah PARKS in >> Seaford, >> Sussex, England. I am much appreciative! >> Best Wishes, >> Rachel 11988 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Lesley,   If you go to the Family Search site, use the Search Records tab, and enter Pestifold, it will bring up 11 entries in the 1881 Census (for Pestifield, all in Sussex) and 31 entries from the IGI for Pestifold, Pestifield, etc. - http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp  (be sure to click on Matches: International Genealogical Index/British Isles - over 25 below the list to see all entries) By far the majority are from Sussex - West Grinstead. Don't disregard entries because of the difference in spelling. Many people were unable to read and write even in the 1800s, so whoever recorded the name wrote down what they thought they heard.   Good luck, Christine Jackson 397   --- On Wed, 8/6/08, lesleywhiting <lesley.whiting3@btinternet.com> wrote: From: lesleywhiting <lesley.whiting3@btinternet.com> Subject: [SFHG] William Pestifold To: "sfhg" <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Received: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:56 PM Hi Can anyone look up please A William Pestifol of Brighton b1837 married a Harriet Jones of Ashington they did not marry till 1859 but did have a daughter Harriett Martha b 1832 and a Walter 1840 Harriet married a Richard Pointing 1854 Brighton William Pestifold Died June 1867 Steyning and Harriet died June 1872 Croydon I cannot find any more Pestifold Can anyone Help Please SFHG 12074 Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com

http://www.familytreedesigns.co.uk/angmering.htm has 1841-1901 transcriptions for 16 parishes around Angmering. Alan

Hello Rachel, I have looked up the baptism of William Ernest Henderson in Seaford, but he was not baptised on either of the dates you mention. Also it appears he was baptised "Willie Ernest", Full entry as follows: Henderson, Willie Ernest, Parents: George/Sarah Male Date: 30 June 1872 Is it possible that one of the dates you mention is the date of birth? Regards, John Green, 9502, in Ontario, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Howe" <howerrfh@gmail.com> To: "SFHG SxFamHXGrp" <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 11:34 PM Subject: [SFHG] William Ernest HENDERSON > Wondering if someone who has access to the Sussex Baptism Index could look > up a birthdate for me...William Ernest Henderson was baptized either 25 > Feb > 1872 or 25 Apr 1872 to parents George HENDERSON and Sarah PARKS in > Seaford, > Sussex, England. I am much appreciative! > Best Wishes, > Rachel 11988 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers, Have read all the replies with interest and have noted that all discussion has been re the C. of E. and it's rules. There were other denominations VBG. Kindest Regards ...... Corinne in Melbourne, Australia. > Thanks to Claire and Eleanor for their contributions. > To summatise the British legal situation after the death of his wife: > * Before 1835 a man could marry his sister in law . > * From 1907 a man could marry his dead wife's sister. > * From 1921 a man could marry his dead brother's widow thus > restoring the pre 1835 situation. > The law in other countries was different and so between 1835 and > 1921 couples could marry abroad to get round this legislation (if > they could afford it) > > Kind regards > > > Roger >

Rachel, The baptismal index, described at http://www.sfhg.org.uk/baptisms.html, has very little for Seaford. In most parishes any records are pre-1840. However, the library has a copy of the parish register http://www.sfhg.org.uk/philcat1S.html which may help, and there's a search request form at http://www.sfhg.org.uk/librarysearch.html. I see Willie Ernest's birth was registered in 2Q1872 which perhaps makes the later date the more probable. Regards, Alan Rachel Howe wrote: > Wondering if someone who has access to the Sussex Baptism Index could look > up a birthdate for me...William Ernest Henderson was baptized either 25 Feb > 1872 or 25 Apr 1872 to parents George HENDERSON and Sarah PARKS in Seaford, > Sussex, England. I am much appreciative! > Best Wishes, > Rachel 11988 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1592 - Release Date: 8/5/2008 6:03 AM > > >

Marriage slowly became a formalised religious ceremony during the Middle Ages in England, and the Church (originally Roman Catholic, but then Church of England after the Reformation) drew up the "consanguinity rules" which forbade marriage between close blood relatives. This was because such marriages tended to produce deformed (phsically or mentally) children. We now know the scientific causes of this genetic inbreeding. To try and preven this happening the church invented the calling of banns for several weeks before the proposed wedding, giving the local people a good chance to point out if the couple were too closely related. With much smaller local populations, all other things being equal, there was a much greater likelihood of close relations wanting to get married. Eventually the Church's rules were adopted into secular law in the various marriage acts. Ian C > -----Original Message----- > From: sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sfhg-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ROGER RUSHTON > Sent: 05 August 2008 22:57 > To: Corinne Thompson; SFHG > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Marriage to sisters in law > > Hi Corinne >   > As I understand it, whilst, Britain has always tolerated > other religions English Law by default tends to stay close to > the rules set by the Church of England.  However, the laws > that define a legal marriage in Britain throughout history > (at least since the era of Henry the Eighth) are defined by > the various Marriage Acts (and related Acts) and are not set > by the Church of England.  Some religions may have stricter > rules and are free to apply them to marriages within their > own churches however they cannot legally apply more relaxed > rules (eg polygamy). However some people have always broken > the law possibly for religious reasons or more likely for > personal reasons. >   > Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the discussion. >   >  Kind regards > > > Roger >   > PS  Does VBG mean Very Bad Girl!!! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Corinne Thompson <verallen@bigpond.net.au> > To: SFHG <sfhg@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008 10:10:12 PM > Subject: [SFHG] Marriage to sisters in law > > > > Hello Listers, > > Have read all the replies with interest and have noted that > all discussion has been re the C. of  E. and it's rules.  > There were other denominations VBG. > > Kindest Regards ...... Corinne in Melbourne, Australia. > > > > > > > Thanks to Claire and Eleanor for their contributions. > > To summatise the British legal situation after the death of > his wife: > >     * Before 1835 a man could marry his sister in law . > >     * From 1907 a man could marry his dead wife's sister. > >     * From 1921 a man could marry his dead brother's widow thus > > restoring the pre 1835 situation. > > The law in other countries was different and so between 1835 and > > 1921  couples could marry abroad to get round this legislation (if > > they could afford it) > > > >  Kind regards > > > > > > Roger > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Not happy with your email address?. > Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses > available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Corinne   As I understand it, whilst, Britain has always tolerated other religions English Law by default tends to stay close to the rules set by the Church of England.  However, the laws that define a legal marriage in Britain throughout history (at least since the era of Henry the Eighth) are defined by the various Marriage Acts (and related Acts) and are not set by the Church of England.  Some religions may have stricter rules and are free to apply them to marriages within their own churches however they cannot legally apply more relaxed rules (eg polygamy). However some people have always broken the law possibly for religious reasons or more likely for personal reasons.   Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the discussion.    Kind regards Roger   PS  Does VBG mean Very Bad Girl!!! ----- Original Message ---- From: Corinne Thompson <verallen@bigpond.net.au> To: SFHG <sfhg@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 5 August, 2008 10:10:12 PM Subject: [SFHG] Marriage to sisters in law Hello Listers, Have read all the replies with interest and have noted that all  discussion has been re the C. of  E. and it's rules.  There were  other denominations VBG. Kindest Regards ...... Corinne in Melbourne, Australia. > Thanks to Claire and Eleanor for their contributions. > To summatise the British legal situation after the death of his wife: >     * Before 1835 a man could marry his sister in law . >     * From 1907 a man could marry his dead wife's sister. >     * From 1921 a man could marry his dead brother's widow thus  > restoring the pre 1835 situation. > The law in other countries was different and so between 1835 and  > 1921  couples could marry abroad to get round this legislation (if  > they could afford it) > >  Kind regards > > > Roger > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

Wondering if someone who has access to the Sussex Baptism Index could look up a birthdate for me...William Ernest Henderson was baptized either 25 Feb 1872 or 25 Apr 1872 to parents George HENDERSON and Sarah PARKS in Seaford, Sussex, England. I am much appreciative! Best Wishes, Rachel 11988