Hi Peter It's always been my understanding that watermen and boatmen were people (men or women) who operated boats but not necessarily for fishing, so might be ferrying or transporting or (probably naval) looking after a boat while unoccupied. They would mostly be working on rivers or canals, as opposed to sailors who worked on the sea. Fishermen would be more specifically people who caught fish, and might do so from the beach or river by net or line, or on the sea in boats. Best wishes Tony 9967 www.tonyholkham.org On 9 July 2012 19:36, Sharon Newman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Listers My Great Grandfather, Charles Newington, is described in > baptisemal records as 'Fisherman' at the birth of his daughter, Rosina, in > 1851 as 'Waterman', at the birth of a daughter, Elizabeth, in 1861 and > again at the birth of his son Charles, in 1868 as a 'Fisherman' Could > anyone please tell me the difference between: Fisherman, Boatman and > Waterman as applied to the Brighton seagoing folk and what the occupations > actually entailed. He lived in 'Shooters Gardens (1858 -1865) and 'Sun > Street' (1868 - ?) Brighton during this time. Regards Peter Newman SFHG > Member 12209 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- _________________ Tony Holkham * Writer * *www.tonyholkham.co.uk*

Got to be Keymer - which my Sussex great-grandfather pronounced Kymer. It lies between Ditchling and Hassocks, and there is a street called Kymer (sic) Close. Been there. Some years ago I sought help in finding it from the County Council - they weren't much help, perhaps it's in a mini-Bermuda-Triangle. MartinMitchell (10797) Ipswich UK

Hi All   Thanks for your replies - I have decided to go with Keymer, as you have suggested ________________________________ From: Michael Burchall <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; sfhgemails <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012, 19:01 Subject: RE: [SFHG] Where is Cymer, Sussex??? Hi Karen,   Lesley is correct; the place Cymer is actually Keymer.   Michael   > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 18:46:44 +0100 > Subject: Re: [SFHG] Where is Cymer, Sussex??? > > Hi Karen, > > This is just an off the top of my head suggestion, but could it be > Keymer, which is a village in East Sussex, to the north of Brighton? > I haven't looked at the record on Ancestry, but if the entry was made > without reference to anything written down, then it could be someone's > attempt to write the name as heard. > > Worth a try, in the absence of any other suggestions so far. Good luck, > > Lesley Hopkins 13618 (former resident of Sussex) > > > > On 9 Jul 2012, at 14:18, Karen Lynas wrote: > > > > > Hello All > > > > A distant cousin in my tree, Naomi King b about 1878, appears in the > > 1881 Census on Ancestry in Brighton with parents William King and > > Emily Foord and siblings. > > Her birthplace is recorded and transcribed on the census record as > > Cymer, Sussex. > > I have been unable to find this place, and the data archive doesn't > > record her birth. > > Does anyone have any ideas where this place might be? > > This is the link to the record on Ancestry: Class: RG11; Piece: > > 1085; Folio: 64; Page: 25; GSU > > roll: 1341256. > > Thanks > > Karen Lynas, nee Styles > > 14897 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen, This is just an off the top of my head suggestion, but could it be Keymer, which is a village in East Sussex, to the north of Brighton? I haven't looked at the record on Ancestry, but if the entry was made without reference to anything written down, then it could be someone's attempt to write the name as heard. Worth a try, in the absence of any other suggestions so far. Good luck, Lesley Hopkins 13618 (former resident of Sussex) On 9 Jul 2012, at 14:18, Karen Lynas wrote: > > Hello All > > A distant cousin in my tree, Naomi King b about 1878, appears in the > 1881 Census on Ancestry in Brighton with parents William King and > Emily Foord and siblings. > Her birthplace is recorded and transcribed on the census record as > Cymer, Sussex. > I have been unable to find this place, and the data archive doesn't > record her birth. > Does anyone have any ideas where this place might be? > This is the link to the record on Ancestry: Class: RG11; Piece: > 1085; Folio: 64; Page: 25; GSU > roll: 1341256. > Thanks > Karen Lynas, nee Styles > 14897 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Listers My Great Grandfather, Charles Newington, is described in baptisemal records as 'Fisherman' at the birth of his daughter, Rosina, in 1851 as 'Waterman', at the birth of a daughter, Elizabeth, in 1861 and again at the birth of his son Charles, in 1868 as a 'Fisherman' Could anyone please tell me the difference between: Fisherman, Boatman and Waterman as applied to the Brighton seagoing folk and what the occupations actually entailed. He lived in 'Shooters Gardens (1858 -1865) and 'Sun Street' (1868 - ?) Brighton during this time. Regards Peter Newman SFHG Member 12209

Hi Peter   I wonder if someone at the intresting Brighton Fishing Museum may be able to help you. It's staffed by volunteers (7 days a week) & BT lists this number - Tel: (01273) 723064 .   Unfortunately the website - http://www.brightonfishingmuseum.org.uk/index.html - does not offer an email address but it does give this explanation about fishermen & boatmen:  "By the mid 1800s, with the arrival of the railway, Brighton had become a haven for daytrippers. Discover how many of the fishermen began scrubbing down their punts each day after fishing and turn them into pleasure boats. Fishermen became boatmen, showmen of the sea and the water a funfair."   I think in a place like Brighton, the terms boatman & waterman were probably used mostly to describe the men who operated the pleasure boats from the beach (the Skylark, etc), or possibly also for the people who owned the fishing boats but who did not actually go out to sea to do the fishing.   Christine Jackson SFHG 397 ________________________________ From: Sharon Newman <[email protected]> To: SFHG SFHG <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 2:36:27 PM Subject: [SFHG] Fisherman to Waterman Hi Listers My Great Grandfather, Charles Newington, is described in baptisemal records as 'Fisherman' at the birth of his daughter, Rosina, in 1851 as 'Waterman', at the birth of a daughter, Elizabeth, in 1861 and again at the birth of his son Charles, in 1868 as a 'Fisherman'  Could anyone please tell me the difference between: Fisherman, Boatman and Waterman as applied to the Brighton seagoing folk and what the occupations actually entailed. He lived in 'Shooters Gardens (1858 -1865) and 'Sun Street' (1868 - ?) Brighton during this time. Regards Peter Newman SFHG Member 12209                          ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where is Cymer? Apologies for putting Keymer North of Lindfield - the name was right, but the geography wasn't! Simon Brickell

Hi Karen FreeBMD lists Naomi King born in Cuckfield district Apr-Jun 1877. This district includes Keymer Regards Tony Albery Sent from my iPad On 9 Jul 2012, at 15:18, Karen Lynas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello All > > A distant cousin in my tree, Naomi King b about 1878, appears in the 1881 Census on Ancestry in Brighton with parents William King and Emily Foord and siblings. > Her birthplace is recorded and transcribed on the census record as Cymer, Sussex. > I have been unable to find this place, and the data archive doesn't record her birth. > Does anyone have any ideas where this place might be? > This is the link to the record on Ancestry: Class: RG11; Piece: 1085; Folio: 64; Page: 25; GSU > roll: 1341256. > Thanks > Karen Lynas, nee Styles > 14897 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello, kinda related...just information, my waterman came from London, the Thames river, Richmond area, surname "Cripps" to become an inlaw to the fisherman in Hastings and area surname "Moon", no other watermen came from Richmond other than this one Cripps and no fisherman left Hastings to go to the Thames to become watermen as far as we can tell so we are not sure what brought the waterman to the sea...!? jennifer #9642 Original Message: ----------------- From: Sharon Newman [email protected] Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:36:27 +0000 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFHG] Fisherman to Waterman Hi Listers My Great Grandfather, Charles Newington, is described in baptisemal records as 'Fisherman' at the birth of his daughter, Rosina, in 1851... ...Regards Peter Newman SFHG Member 12209 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint

Where is Cymer? It's probably a version of Keymer, north of Lindfield. Hope this helps, Simon and Chris Brickell FreeCEN Co-ordinators for Sussex http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ssx1861/

Could this be Keymer ? John R

Hi Tony and Lin I think you must be right, Keymer it will be! Thank you very much for your prompt replies!   Karen ________________________________ From: Tony Albery <[email protected]> To: Karen Lynas <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012, 14:31 Subject: Re: [SFHG] Where is Cymer, Sussex??? Hi Karen FreeBMD lists Naomi King born in Cuckfield district Apr-Jun 1877. This district includes Keymer Regards Tony Albery Sent from my iPad On 9 Jul 2012, at 15:18, Karen Lynas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello All > > A distant cousin in my tree, Naomi King b about 1878, appears in the 1881 Census on Ancestry in Brighton with parents William King and Emily Foord and siblings. > Her birthplace is recorded and transcribed on the census record as Cymer, Sussex. > I have been unable to find this place, and the data archive doesn't record her birth. > Does anyone have any ideas where this place might be? > This is the link to the record on Ancestry:  Class: RG11; Piece: 1085; Folio: 64; Page: 25; GSU > roll: 1341256. > Thanks > Karen Lynas, nee Styles > 14897 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to everyone who contributed to solving my problem.  I ended up going into the Family page, double clicking on the icon of a woman's head in the husband's box, set the 'Spouse Order' and er... then remembered to click OK this time.  I was however intrigued to read Stan's suggestion and will certainly try that technique next time I have problems.   Diana

Hello All A distant cousin in my tree, Naomi King b about 1878, appears in the 1881 Census on Ancestry in Brighton with parents William King and Emily Foord and siblings. Her birthplace is recorded and transcribed on the census record as Cymer, Sussex. I have been unable to find this place, and the data archive doesn't record her birth. Does anyone have any ideas where this place might be?  This is the link to the record on Ancestry:  Class: RG11; Piece: 1085; Folio: 64; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1341256. Thanks Karen Lynas, nee Styles 14897

Hi Karen, Could this be Keymer? An enumerator mis-hear or just not being able to spell! Best wishesLin 12845 > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 14:18:39 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SFHG] Where is Cymer, Sussex??? > > > Hello All > > A distant cousin in my tree, Naomi King b about 1878, appears in the 1881 Census on Ancestry in Brighton with parents William King and Emily Foord and siblings. > Her birthplace is recorded and transcribed on the census record as Cymer, Sussex. > I have been unable to find this place, and the data archive doesn't record her birth. > Does anyone have any ideas where this place might be? > This is the link to the record on Ancestry: Class: RG11; Piece: 1085; Folio: 64; Page: 25; GSU > roll: 1341256. > Thanks > Karen Lynas, nee Styles > 14897 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Stan The reason is her siblings are not her descendants you have to go to your grandparents to have to have her brother & sisters classed as descendants Regards Jackie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stan Cornford Sent: 09 July 2012 11:25 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFHG] FTM 2005 Puzzle Hello Group! Since we've been discussing recently our tools ( Re: [SFHG] FTM 2011 Puzzle - below) rather than the people whose lives we handle them with, may I ask if anyone can tell me where I've gone wrong in putting into FTM 2005 all the six siblings of my mother? In Family View for her mother and father, all seven siblings are present but in Descendant Tree-Standard or Outline Descendant my mother is there, with all her descendants, but her five sisters and one brother (and their descendants) are all missing. Can someone help, please? Stan Cornford ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Lynas" <[email protected]> > To: "Diana Burns" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SFHG] FTM 2011 Puzzle > > > Hi Diana > I am just learning FTM and have 2012 version, currently having > problems with linking to Ancestry, but persevering! > The first thought that came to me on reading your query is have you > made wife no. 1 the 'preferred spouse'? No idea if this will work, but > may be worth a try! > Karen Lynas nee Styles > 14897 > > > ________________________________ > From: Diana Burns <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 8 July 2012, 11:10 > Subject: [SFHG] FTM 2011 Puzzle > > Please could I have advise on a FTM issue. I am finalising a > Descendant Chart but Wife No. 2 keeps ending up on the left hand side > of the page and Wife No. 1 to the right, so the order runs Husband, > Wife 2 (with her family below her) followed by Wife 1 with her family > below her. It is confusing and I would like to swap the ladies and > their offspring round so they are in chronological order. > > Diana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Group! Since we've been discussing recently our tools ( Re: [SFHG] FTM 2011 Puzzle - below) rather than the people whose lives we handle them with, may I ask if anyone can tell me where I've gone wrong in putting into FTM 2005 all the six siblings of my mother? In Family View for her mother and father, all seven siblings are present but in Descendant Tree-Standard or Outline Descendant my mother is there, with all her descendants, but her five sisters and one brother (and their descendants) are all missing. Can someone help, please? Stan Cornford ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Lynas" <[email protected]> > To: "Diana Burns" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [SFHG] FTM 2011 Puzzle > > > Hi Diana > I am just learning FTM and have 2012 version, currently having problems > with linking to Ancestry, but persevering! > The first thought that came to me on reading your query is have you made > wife no. 1 the 'preferred spouse'? No idea if this will work, but may be > worth a try! > Karen Lynas nee Styles > 14897 > > > ________________________________ > From: Diana Burns <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, 8 July 2012, 11:10 > Subject: [SFHG] FTM 2011 Puzzle > > Please could I have advise on a FTM issue. I am finalising a Descendant > Chart but Wife No. 2 keeps ending up on the left hand side of the page and > Wife No. 1 to the right, so the order runs Husband, Wife 2 (with her > family below her) followed by Wife 1 with her family below her. It is > confusing and I would like to swap the ladies and their offspring round so > they are in chronological order. > > Diana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

You can try this: Highlight the first person you want to move and then either by using the arrow keys or by manually grabbing hold with the cursor, you can move the box to where you want to position it. There are options to move individuals or sections of people, these can be seen by right clicking over the selected box or boxes.

Good evening all, many of my Rangers were baptised c1650 - c 1700 at St Mary`s Church, Northiam. Does anyone know whether the church still exists? Thanks, John Ranger.

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