Hi there, Some time ago I posted a request about my ancestor Clara Boxall whose birth/baptism remains elusive. Her father was Charles Boxall of Salehurst, and her mother Susanna (surname unknown) of Chelsea, Middlesex. I am wondering if Clara was actually short for something else - although her daughter was called Clara Kate. Could it be that Clara was actually Clarinda or Clarissa or Catharine? In the Novel Clarissa, the subject is routinely called Clary by her mother. Does anybody have a source which indicates "derived" names? Susanna's death certificate has her named as Susan, so that may be a case in point that lower classes (Susanna ended her days in the workhouse) found certain names too "difficult" to live with. So I am looking for a daughter of Charles Boxall and Susanna, called "Clara" born/baptised about 1848 - what about the one in Midhurst (Clarissa Boxall) about this date? Many thanks Jeff 3646

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Please could someone advise what the following numbers indicate on a Medal Card?  In the right hand section, under 'Remarks', are the numbers 184336/3 and NW (or NN)/6/4101.  We know that Cedric Gow was a lieutentant in the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, and I wondered if any more information can be gleaned from this?   Diana

In message <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > The Local Population Studies Society has some learned papers which may > help. Quite a lot to read, but at a quick glance > I can't see anything remarkable around 1630 in the Cowfold area. Another interesting source of weather and pestilence information is J M Stratton's "Agricultural Records". This relates crop and livestock prices to the weather and also mentions exceptional weather events and illness outbreaks. In this case it doesn't actually mention anything for 1630/1 but it does record 1625 as "A very severe winter was followed by violent outbreaks of plagues during the summer." It also says plague was "widespread" in 1636. The period 1620 to 1635 seems to be largely characterised by severe winters (frost fairs on the Thames) with spring, summer or autumn floods. Harvests were poor resulting in exports being prohibited. Land prices fell 15% in 1621. The exception to this seems to have been 1630/1 when there were very dry summers resulting in droughts with the wheat price rising to 68s a quarter in 1631. Not much help to your enquiry perhaps but it may set the background for the string of deaths. Chris -- Chris Shepheard writing as himself [email protected] from far west Surrey www.chrispics.co.uk

Chris, I think what you have added is VERY important to what was going on....the reading I have done this afternoon tells me that autumns after poor crops brought on much illness/flu type of contagion and that poor crops set up the following year for illnesses and that stark winters did the same...so it certainly sets the stage for poor health conditions in that period of 1628 - 1632 in Cowfold and its environs. Thanks again for taking the time to send the information.  I can't seem to ever get enough information to "paint" the background for my family history! Appreciatively, Donna   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ________________________________ From: Chris Shepheard <[email protected]> To: SFHG List <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Willilam Bartlett Follow-up - Death; No marriage. Cowfold Contagion? c1630 In message <[email protected]>           <[email protected]> wrote: > The Local Population Studies Society has some learned papers which may > help. Quite a lot to read, but at a quick glance > I can't see anything remarkable around 1630 in the Cowfold area. Another interesting source of weather and pestilence information is J M Stratton's "Agricultural Records". This relates crop and livestock prices to the weather and also mentions exceptional weather events and illness outbreaks. In this case it doesn't actually mention anything for 1630/1 but it does record 1625 as "A very severe winter was followed by violent outbreaks of plagues during the summer." It also says plague was "widespread" in 1636. The period 1620 to 1635 seems to be largely characterised by severe winters (frost fairs on the Thames) with spring, summer or autumn floods. Harvests were poor resulting in exports being prohibited. Land prices fell 15% in 1621. The exception to this seems to have been 1630/1 when there were very dry summers resulting in droughts with the wheat price rising to 68s a quarter in 1631. Not much help to your enquiry perhaps but it may set the background for the string of deaths. Chris -- Chris Shepheard writing as himself          [email protected] from far west Surrey                        www.chrispics.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Local Population Studies Society has some learned papers which may help. Quite a lot to read, but at a quick glance I can't see anything remarkable around 1630 in the Cowfold area. Brent, Colin: Devastating epidemic in the countryside of Eastern Sussex between harvest years 1558 and 1640 Nelson, Ian: Famine and mortality crises in Mid-Sussex, 1606-1640 Turner, Derek: Crisis mortality in nine Sussex parishes Links in: http://www.localpopulationstudies.org.uk/authoridx.htm It's a pity parish registers rarely recorded cause of death If Churchwardens Accounts have survived they can fill in amazing social background. They may record epidemics, e.g. Laughton April 1741 - "time of smallpox" (viewed at ESRO) Barbara Sanders ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Casey" <[email protected]> To: "SFHG SxFamHXGrp" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:52 PM Subject: [SFHG] Willilam Bartlett Follow-up - Death;No marriage. Cowfold Contagion? c1630 What I have learned from a very good soul with very good eyes!!!...is that William Bartlett died in 1631 in Cowfold...that would have been 2 years or less after his "betrothed", Sarah Tillinghurst. So he likely did not marry. Seems as if there may have been a contagion in Cowfold at the time....anyone have any ideas about that? Donna The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Barbara and Jean for some great leads to learning about the cause of death in Cowfold c1630.  Will look into these over the next few days and poste my findings. Thanks very much for taking the time to help me. Donna In ....once again...a very hot Michigan, USA   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.

Stephanie, I was born in 1945 and on my birth certificate it asks for Occupation of father, so as it must be assumed that the authorities expected those who registered births to tell the truth, then it could be assumed that there was an official requirement for such to be stated on certificates. Also as in those days, married service personnel who put their lives on the line in the service of their country got paid more than singles in the same position. And increments for each child, it could also be seen that there would have been an official requirement for such personnel to notify someone if they wanted to get paid the extra. Regards Joe Austen 9934 in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephanie Hedger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:49 AM Subject: [SFHG] Registering births during WW2 > > > > > I have a copy of a birth certificate of a child born in the UK in 1942 - > his father was in the forces and the certificate gives the fathers Army > unit and number. Was this compulsory? Does anyone know what the usual > procedure for registering births during WW2 was - obviously it wasn't > possible for fathers who were in the forces to be present when the child > was registered but were there any other official requirements? Many > thanks. Stephanie (7605) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5123 - Release Date: 07/10/12 >

Thanks Jean.  Good to know....Agree...believe it would more be contagion rather than something like consumption. Wish there had been coroner's reports at the time...or if there are/were....wonder how I could see those?  Would be helpful. Thanks again, Donna   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Willilam Bartlett Follow-up - Death; No marriage. Cowfold Contagio... Hi Donna   If there was a contagious illness, I think it might have been flu.  Consumption was rife, but the deaths are quite near each other which is why I would go for flu or a 'childhood' complaint such as measles or whooping cough.  They were all killers in those days   Regards   Jean in wet Warminster       In a message dated 11/07/2012 17:57:17 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: What I have learned from a very good soul with very good eyes!!!...is that William Bartlett died in 1631 in Cowfold...that would have been 2 years or less after his "betrothed", Sarah Tillinghurst.  So he likely did not marry. > >Seems as if there may have been a contagion in Cowfold at the time....anyone have any ideas about that? > >Donna >  >The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What I have learned from a very good soul with very good eyes!!!...is that William Bartlett died in 1631 in Cowfold...that would have been 2 years or less after his "betrothed", Sarah Tillinghurst.  So he likely did not marry. Seems as if there may have been a contagion in Cowfold at the time....anyone have any ideas about that? Donna   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.

Thanks for checking Christine. Donna   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ________________________________ From: Christine Jackson <[email protected]> To: Donna Casey <[email protected]>; SFHG SxFamHXGrp <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] William BARTLETT - Marriage look-up. Nothing in the Sussex Marriage Index, Donna.   Christine Jackson SFHG 397 From: Donna Casey <[email protected]> To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:56:28 AM Subject: [SFHG] William BARTLETT - Marriage look-up. Can anyone help me with a marriage look-up for a William Bartlett of Hurstpierpoint c1629 - 1650? He was to have married...."was betrothed".....Sarah Tillinghurst spinster of Cowfold.  She died August 1629 but left money to him in her will.   I am interested to know if he married and if there were any children of his marriage and their names if possible. Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nothing in the Sussex Marriage Index, Donna.   Christine Jackson SFHG 397 ________________________________ From: Donna Casey <[email protected]> To: SFHG SxFamHXGrp <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:56:28 AM Subject: [SFHG] William BARTLETT - Marriage look-up. Can anyone help me with a marriage look-up for a William Bartlett of Hurstpierpoint c1629 - 1650? He was to have married...."was betrothed".....Sarah Tillinghurst spinster of Cowfold.  She died August 1629 but left money to him in her will.   I am interested to know if he married and if there were any children of his marriage and their names if possible. Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help me with a marriage look-up for a William Bartlett of Hurstpierpoint c1629 - 1650? He was to have married...."was betrothed".....Sarah Tillinghurst spinster of Cowfold.  She died August 1629 but left money to him in her will.   I am interested to know if he married and if there were any children of his marriage and their names if possible. Thanks for any information anyone can provide. Donna TILLINGHAST Casey Michigan, USA   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.

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Sorry Stephanie, just read your query again - but the answer is similar in that my service details were on my children's certificates. Graham Noyce St Ives Hunts Mem No 9038 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Stephanie Hedger Sent: 10 July 2012 18:49 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFHG] Registering births during WW2 I have a copy of a birth certificate of a child born in the UK in 1942 - his father was in the forces and the certificate gives the fathers Army unit and number. Was this compulsory? Does anyone know what the usual procedure for registering births during WW2 was - obviously it wasn't possible for fathers who were in the forces to be present when the child was registered but were there any other official requirements? Many thanks. Stephanie (7605) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12

Hi Stephanie, I'm not sure if it is compulsory, but it is usual. My marriage certificate, 1961, gives all my service details. Graham Noyce St Ives Hunts Mem No 9038 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Stephanie Hedger Sent: 10 July 2012 18:49 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFHG] Registering births during WW2 I have a copy of a birth certificate of a child born in the UK in 1942 - his father was in the forces and the certificate gives the fathers Army unit and number. Was this compulsory? Does anyone know what the usual procedure for registering births during WW2 was - obviously it wasn't possible for fathers who were in the forces to be present when the child was registered but were there any other official requirements? Many thanks. Stephanie (7605) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2195 / Virus Database: 2437/5122 - Release Date: 07/09/12

I have a copy of a birth certificate of a child born in the UK in 1942 - his father was in the forces and the certificate gives the fathers Army unit and number. Was this compulsory? Does anyone know what the usual procedure for registering births during WW2 was - obviously it wasn't possible for fathers who were in the forces to be present when the child was registered but were there any other official requirements? Many thanks. Stephanie (7605)

Hello all,   Can you help please?  My 2xGt Grandfather Jonathan HARVEY died in Anstey in July 1865 aged 60, and his wife Harriet HARVEY nee HUMPHREYS died in January 1866 aged 60 in Clayton.  Would anyone know where they are likely to be buried?  They had spent their life in Westfirle but they are not buried there.   Thanks, Margaret (11057)

Dear Sharon, Christine & Tony got it right. In nineteenth century Brighton, the terms Boatmen and Watermen were commonly used to describe those who worked pleasure boats rather than fishing boats. The occupations of fisherman and boatmen were in some degree interchangeable as demonstrated by Sharon's ancestor. I could send you a listing of all Newington and Newinton fishing folk in Brighton from the 1851 and 1891 censuses if you haven't already got that. You should definitely contact Brighton Fishing Museum (you'll find it online) which has an extensive database of documents and newspaper clippings that might well include references to members of your family. MikeS (formerly researcher etc at Brighton Fishing Museum). On 9 Jul 2012, at 19:36, Sharon Newman wrote: Hi Listers My Great Grandfather, Charles Newington, is described in baptisemal records as 'Fisherman' at the birth of his daughter, Rosina, in 1851 as 'Waterman', at the birth of a daughter, Elizabeth, in 1861 and again at the birth of his son Charles, in 1868 as a 'Fisherman' Could anyone please tell me the difference between: Fisherman, Boatman and Waterman as applied to the Brighton seagoing folk and what the occupations actually entailed. He lived in 'Shooters Gardens (1858 -1865) and 'Sun Street' (1868 - ?) Brighton during this time. Regards Peter Newman SFHG Member 12209

I want to thank Christine and Margaret for writting about getting the password for member only pages. I got an email from Penny this evening and she gave me what I wanted, always nice to know that there are people out there willing to help.   Thanks again. Regards Kay 8111 Christchurch NZ