I still have Lynneve in my address book and sent her an email 9 hours ago warning that she either had a virus or her address book had been hacked. regards Joe Austen 9934 in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "SFHG List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 3:09 AM Subject: [SFHG] Address Book attack on List member >I have just received a begging e-mail, allegedly from Lynneve Burrell. I >had contact with her through the SHFG list some > years ago, but I do not believe she is genuinely stuck in Spain, dying > cousin, mobile disabled, needing money, . . . > > The e-mail was badly written (non-native English speaker?) and sent to an > old e-mail address I have not used for years. > > I'm sure no SFHG member will fall for this scam, but is it possible for > anyone to warn Lynneve that her address book has > been attacked by a worm? > > Barbara Sanders > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5156 - Release Date: 07/26/12 >

I have just received a begging e-mail, allegedly from Lynneve Burrell. I had contact with her through the SHFG list some years ago, but I do not believe she is genuinely stuck in Spain, dying cousin, mobile disabled, needing money, . . . The e-mail was badly written (non-native English speaker?) and sent to an old e-mail address I have not used for years. I'm sure no SFHG member will fall for this scam, but is it possible for anyone to warn Lynneve that her address book has been attacked by a worm? Barbara Sanders

I've forgotten what date the will is but that wording does come in quite frequently, especially after certain notorious cases where an inheritance was lost in dispute. Judy Excll -------------------------------------------------- From: "John" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 5:28 PM To: "Mike Snatt" <[email protected]> Cc: "SFHG" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SFHG] re Northiam again > Hello all, > one reason I thought that there may have been trouble in the Ranger > family of Northiam was an early part of James` will ...... "and > considering the uncertainty of this morbid life and to prevent all > unhappy Disputes that may ... after my Demise about my Worldly Estate, > DO make and ordaine "(sic) etc. > I have never seen this in a will before. > John R > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

It is my understanding that a bequest of a silver coin, negated the right to challenge a will. HTH Joe Austen 9934 in oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Snatt" <[email protected]> To: "John" <[email protected]>; "SFHG" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [SFHG] re Northiam again > Hello John - > > I can't help with the transcription, but as to the question of the son > left > only a shilling, my understanding is that that was a form of words to > ensure > the son couldn't argue that he had been overlooked! Apparently it was > often > used where the said son had already been given his inheritance, eg the > farm > or land. > > However, no doubt there were also plenty of examples where the son had > fallen out with his family, and was literally 'cut off with a shilling'. > > Mike Snatt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John" <[email protected]> > To: "SFHG" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:13 PM > Subject: [SFHG] re Northiam again > > >> Further to my last, it is not a "d" as I have now looked at other "ds". >> it has a curve like a closing bracket, thus ). >> John >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2437/5153 - Release Date: 07/24/12 >

Hello all, one reason I thought that there may have been trouble in the Ranger family of Northiam was an early part of James` will ...... "and considering the uncertainty of this morbid life and to prevent all unhappy Disputes that may ... after my Demise about my Worldly Estate, DO make and ordaine "(sic) etc. I have never seen this in a will before. John R

Hello John - I can't help with the transcription, but as to the question of the son left only a shilling, my understanding is that that was a form of words to ensure the son couldn't argue that he had been overlooked! Apparently it was often used where the said son had already been given his inheritance, eg the farm or land. However, no doubt there were also plenty of examples where the son had fallen out with his family, and was literally 'cut off with a shilling'. Mike Snatt ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" <[email protected]> To: "SFHG" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:13 PM Subject: [SFHG] re Northiam again > Further to my last, it is not a "d" as I have now looked at other "ds". > it has a curve like a closing bracket, thus ). > John > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

John, In the case of the son who received only a shilling: it may not mean that he had displeased his father; he may have already had some financial help. Magaret -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2012 3:35 a.m. To: SFHG Subject: [SFHG] Northiam area Hello All, I am transcribing a recently obtained will of my ancestor James RANGER c 1697 who lived in Northiam I am stuck on a couple of things and seek your help. " the West end of my house and land straight down from the gate against the Kings highway (leading from Northiam......Mill to ..hurst) to the little house and half the well" (How does one leave half a well??) After Northiam, it is a small word with an `i` and possibly a `d` at the end. Before `hurst` it could be `Ew` so I suppose this could be Ewhurst Green. And to his daughter Elizabeth "all the orchard etc.. below the house and straight down from the lane towards the south towards the Mill Down hedge". He leaves £5 to other sons and daughters but only 1 shilling to one son. I wonder what he had done wrong ! TIA John Ranger ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to my last, it is not a "d" as I have now looked at other "ds". it has a curve like a closing bracket, thus ). John

Hello All, I am transcribing a recently obtained will of my ancestor James RANGER c 1697 who lived in Northiam I am stuck on a couple of things and seek your help. " the West end of my house and land straight down from the gate against the Kings highway (leading from Northiam......Mill to ..hurst) to the little house and half the well" (How does one leave half a well??) After Northiam, it is a small word with an `i` and possibly a `d` at the end. Before `hurst` it could be `Ew` so I suppose this could be Ewhurst Green. And to his daughter Elizabeth "all the orchard etc.. below the house and straight down from the lane towards the south towards the Mill Down hedge". He leaves £5 to other sons and daughters but only 1 shilling to one son. I wonder what he had done wrong ! TIA John Ranger

Three-quarters of the Sussex Census for 1871 is now on-line, with the rest of it in the pipe-line. This means that soon all the Censuses for Sussex from 1861, '71, and 91 will be available for researchers to use without charge at www.freecen.org.uk (and the 1881 is of course also free, thanks to the LDS). Even if you have a subscription to one of the other Census sites it's often worth looking on FreeCEN for your ancestor; transcription is not an exact science and a "second opinion" may find someone whose name was mis-read on the database you usually refer to. With the 1871 nearing completion our team of transcribers is starting on the 1851. Our volunteers are a generous bunch, happy to get the information "out there" for people to use for free. However folk do have to drop out at intervals and we are always ready to welcome new volunteers to speed up the project. Could you give some time to transcribing? If you can use a spreadsheet and send emails you already have the skills you need (apart from reading Victorian handwriting!). Please give it some thought; if you've benefited from other people's help in the past this could be one way of making your contribution to the Family History community. Further details from the FreeCEN website, or by contacting us via the address below. Thanks in advance! Simon and Chris Brickell FreeCEN Co-ordinators for Sussex http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ssx1861/

hello out there just a reminder this months Crawley meeting is at the Bewbush Center Dorston Square Crawley. it is where we met last time we could not have the regular venue. God Bless Christine

hello out there just a reminder this months Crawley meeting is at the Bewbush Center Dorston Square Crawley. it is where we met last time we could not have the regular venue. God Bless Christine

I've re-posted because the formatting of the Google results unexpectedly went odd in the sending. Claire meaning and name origin Claire \c-lai-re\ as a girl's name (also used as boy's name Claire), is pronounced clare. It is of Latin origin, and the meaning of Claire is "bright, famous". French form of Clara. Introduced to Britain by the Normans, but then abandoned. This spelling was revived in the 19th century as a variant of Clare as in Saint Clare of Assisi (13th century), founder of a Franciscan order of nuns and one of the notable saints of the medieval period. Writer Clare Booth Luce; actresses Clara Bow, Claire Bloom, Claire Danes. Claire has 61 variant forms: Ceara, Cearra, Cheeara, Chiara, Ciara, Ciarra, Clair, Claireen, Clairene, Claireta, Clairette, Clairey, Clairice, Clairinda, Clairissa, Clairita, Clairy, Clara, Clarabel, Clarabelle, Clare, Clarene, Claresta, Clareta, Claretta, Clarey, Clari, Claribel, Claribella, Claribelle, Clarice, Clarie, Clarinda, Clarine, Clarisa, Clarissa, Clarisse, Clarita, Claritza, Clarrie, Clarry, Clary, Claryce, Clayre, Clayrette, Clayrice, Clayrinda, Clayrissa, Clerissa, Cliara, Clorinda, Klaire, Klara, Klaretta, Klarissa, Klaryce, Klayre, Kliara, Klyara, Seara and Searra. Baby names that sound like Claire are Klarra, Clora, Glaurea, Glaura and Klari. Lionel Carter

I had a great grandmother whose birth name was Susannah but was often referred to as Susan in other documents. But I'm not sure this was because she 'knew her place' and could not cope with fancy names - she named her first born Fleurette Jeanne Francoise Augustine Eleanore. :-) Just an aside - sorry, I can't help with Clarissa / Clara. Cordelia 14526 On 20 July 2012 09:24, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi there, > > Some time ago I posted a request about my ancestor Clara Boxall whose > birth/baptism remains elusive. Her father was Charles Boxall of Salehurst, and > her mother Susanna (surname unknown) of Chelsea, Middlesex. > > I am wondering if Clara was actually short for something else - although > her daughter was called Clara Kate. Could it be that Clara was actually > Clarinda or Clarissa or Catharine? In the Novel Clarissa, the subject is > routinely called Clary by her mother. Does anybody have a source which indicates > "derived" names? > > Susanna's death certificate has her named as Susan, so that may be a case > in point that lower classes (Susanna ended her days in the workhouse) found > certain names too "difficult" to live with. > > So I am looking for a daughter of Charles Boxall and Susanna, called > "Clara" born/baptised about 1848 - what about the one in Midhurst (Clarissa > Boxall) about this date? > > > Many thanks > > Jeff 3646 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeff, Not sure if it helps but there seems to be a choice of birthplaces, none Midhurst, with a 2-1 vote for Herts. Do you have later census versions? 1851 census at Haslemere, Surrey has on the High Street Charles Boxall Head 42 Sadler & Harness Maker(?) Hastings Susanah Wife 41 Middlesex Chelsea Clare(?) Daughter 3 Hastings - looks like Heastings 1861 has at Deptford St Paul, Pomeroy(?) Street Charles Boxsall (Bonsell says Ancestry) Head 54 Saddler & Harness Maker Sussex Salehurst Susanah 46 Wife Middlesex Chelsea Clara daur 13 scholar Herts Aldenham 1871 All Saints, Southampton Charles Boxall Head 65 Master saddler Robertsbridge Sussex Susan Mar Wife 60 Milliner Middlesex Chelsea Clara Daur 21 Photographer Herts Elstree I wondered whether the apparent parents were together when Clara was born. In passing, the Clara Susannah Hill baptised at Aldenham 3/10/1847, probably died in 1848. Alan 1350 [email protected] wrote on 20/07/2012 00:24: > > Hi there, > > Some time ago I posted a request about my ancestor Clara Boxall whose > birth/baptism remains elusive. Her father was Charles Boxall of Salehurst, and > her mother Susanna (surname unknown) of Chelsea, Middlesex. > > I am wondering if Clara was actually short for something else - although > her daughter was called Clara Kate. Could it be that Clara was actually > Clarinda or Clarissa or Catharine? In the Novel Clarissa, the subject is > routinely called Clary by her mother. Does anybody have a source which indicates > "derived" names? > > Susanna's death certificate has her named as Susan, so that may be a case > in point that lower classes (Susanna ended her days in the workhouse) found > certain names too "difficult" to live with. > > So I am looking for a daughter of Charles Boxall and Susanna, called > "Clara" born/baptised about 1848 - what about the one in Midhurst (Clarissa > Boxall) about this date? > > > Many thanks > > Jeff 3646

The result of Googling: > *Clara* \c-la-ra <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/ending/0/ra>\ as a > girl's name is of Latin <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/latin> > origin, and the meaning of Clara is "bright > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/bright>, famous > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/famous>". Post > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/post>-classical > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/classical> name from the > feminine form of the adjective "clarus > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/clarus>". In the modern > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/modern> English-speaking > world, it represents a re-Latinization of the normal English form > *Clare* <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clare>. Also a > nickanme for *Clarissa* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarissa>. Made famous > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/famous> in the 1920s > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/1920> by the silent > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/silent> film > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/film> actress > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/search/0/actress> Clara Bow, known as > "the It girl", because whatever "it" was, she had it. > > Clara has 21 variant forms: *Chiara* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Chiara>, *Claire* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Claire>, Clarabelle > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarabelle>, Clarabeth > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarabeth>, *Clare* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clare>, Claretha > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Claretha>, Claretta > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Claretta>, *Claribel* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Claribel>, *Clarice* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarice>, Clarie > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarie>, Clarina > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarina>, *Clarinda* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarinda>, Clarine > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarine>, *Clarissa* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarissa>, Clarita > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarita>, Claritza > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Claritza>, Clarizza > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarizza>, Clarrie > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarrie>, Clarry > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Clarry>, *Klara* > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Klara> and Klarra > <http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Klarra>. > Lionel Carter On 20/07/2012 00:24, [email protected] wrote: > I am wondering if Clara was actually short for something else - although > her daughter was called Clara Kate. Could it be that Clara was actually > Clarinda or Clarissa or Catharine? In the Novel Clarissa, the subject is > routinely called Clary by her mother. Does anybody have a source which indicates > "derived" names? >

Try looking at websites for baby girls names this might give you alternatives for the name Clara. Margaret 12577 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 12:24 AM Subject: [SFHG] Clara Boxall > > Hi there, > > Some time ago I posted a request about my ancestor Clara Boxall whose > birth/baptism remains elusive. Her father was Charles Boxall of > Salehurst, and > her mother Susanna (surname unknown) of Chelsea, Middlesex. > > I am wondering if Clara was actually short for something else - although > her daughter was called Clara Kate. Could it be that Clara was actually > Clarinda or Clarissa or Catharine? In the Novel Clarissa, the subject is > routinely called Clary by her mother. Does anybody have a source which > indicates > "derived" names? > > Susanna's death certificate has her named as Susan, so that may be a case > in point that lower classes (Susanna ended her days in the workhouse) > found > certain names too "difficult" to live with. > > So I am looking for a daughter of Charles Boxall and Susanna, called > "Clara" born/baptised about 1848 - what about the one in Midhurst > (Clarissa > Boxall) about this date? > > > Many thanks > > Jeff 3646 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Alan, Thanks for doing this research. I have this info already and Clara's birthplace is marked down for several places, which I have checked but so far been unable to find her. There is also another census entry for them for 1861 for Bonsell - perhaps they moved and were counted twice. In the 1851 Census Susanna is marked as "wife" but as you state that might not have been the case. I have tried various permutations of Clara Bonsell/boxall/boxshill/and other surnames but none seem to be right. The best candidate for her mother seems to be a Susanna White who appears in the census (there is also another person with the same name but has a son). oh well - I 'ill keep digging Jeff In a message dated 20/07/2012 10:24:27 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Jeff, Not sure if it helps but there seems to be a choice of birthplaces, none Midhurst, with a 2-1 vote for Herts. Do you have later census versions? 1851 census at Haslemere, Surrey has on the High Street Charles Boxall Head 42 Sadler & Harness Maker(?) Hastings Susanah Wife 41 Middlesex Chelsea Clare(?) Daughter 3 Hastings - looks like Heastings 1861 has at Deptford St Paul, Pomeroy(?) Street Charles Boxsall (Bonsell says Ancestry) Head 54 Saddler & Harness Maker Sussex Salehurst Susanah 46 Wife Middlesex Chelsea Clara daur 13 scholar Herts Aldenham 1871 All Saints, Southampton Charles Boxall Head 65 Master saddler Robertsbridge Sussex Susan Mar Wife 60 Milliner Middlesex Chelsea Clara Daur 21 Photographer Herts Elstree I wondered whether the apparent parents were together when Clara was born. In passing, the Clara Susannah Hill baptised at Aldenham 3/10/1847, probably died in 1848. Alan 1350 [email protected] wrote on 20/07/2012 00:24: > > Hi there, > > Some time ago I posted a request about my ancestor Clara Boxall whose > birth/baptism remains elusive. Her father was Charles Boxall of Salehurst, and > her mother Susanna (surname unknown) of Chelsea, Middlesex. > > I am wondering if Clara was actually short for something else - although > her daughter was called Clara Kate. Could it be that Clara was actually > Clarinda or Clarissa or Catharine? In the Novel Clarissa, the subject is > routinely called Clary by her mother. Does anybody have a source which indicates > "derived" names? > > Susanna's death certificate has her named as Susan, so that may be a case > in point that lower classes (Susanna ended her days in the workhouse) found > certain names too "difficult" to live with. > > So I am looking for a daughter of Charles Boxall and Susanna, called > "Clara" born/baptised about 1848 - what about the one in Midhurst (Clarissa > Boxall) about this date? > > > Many thanks > > Jeff 3646 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alan, Thanks for doing this research. I have this info already and Clara's birthplace is marked down for several places, which I have checked but so far been unable to find her. There is also another census entry for them for 1861 for Bonsell - perhaps they moved and were counted twice. In the 1851 Census Susanna is marked as "wife" but as you state that might not have been the case. I have tried various permutations of Clara Bonsell/boxall/boxshill/and other surnames but none seem to be right. The best candidate for her mother seems to be a Susanna White who appears in the census (there is also another person with the same name but has a son). oh well - I 'ill keep digging Jeff In a message dated 20/07/2012 10:24:27 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Jeff, Not sure if it helps but there seems to be a choice of birthplaces, none Midhurst, with a 2-1 vote for Herts. Do you have later census versions? 1851 census at Haslemere, Surrey has on the High Street Charles Boxall Head 42 Sadler & Harness Maker(?) Hastings Susanah Wife 41 Middlesex Chelsea Clare(?) Daughter 3 Hastings - looks like Heastings 1861 has at Deptford St Paul, Pomeroy(?) Street Charles Boxsall (Bonsell says Ancestry) Head 54 Saddler & Harness Maker Sussex Salehurst Susanah 46 Wife Middlesex Chelsea Clara daur 13 scholar Herts Aldenham 1871 All Saints, Southampton Charles Boxall Head 65 Master saddler Robertsbridge Sussex Susan Mar Wife 60 Milliner Middlesex Chelsea Clara Daur 21 Photographer Herts Elstree I wondered whether the apparent parents were together when Clara was born. In passing, the Clara Susannah Hill baptised at Aldenham 3/10/1847, probably died in 1848. Alan 1350 [email protected] wrote on 20/07/2012 00:24: > > Hi there, > > Some time ago I posted a request about my ancestor Clara Boxall whose > birth/baptism remains elusive. Her father was Charles Boxall of Salehurst, and > her mother Susanna (surname unknown) of Chelsea, Middlesex. > > I am wondering if Clara was actually short for something else - although > her daughter was called Clara Kate. Could it be that Clara was actually > Clarinda or Clarissa or Catharine? In the Novel Clarissa, the subject is > routinely called Clary by her mother. Does anybody have a source which indicates > "derived" names? > > Susanna's death certificate has her named as Susan, so that may be a case > in point that lower classes (Susanna ended her days in the workhouse) found > certain names too "difficult" to live with. > > So I am looking for a daughter of Charles Boxall and Susanna, called > "Clara" born/baptised about 1848 - what about the one in Midhurst (Clarissa > Boxall) about this date? > > > Many thanks > > Jeff 3646 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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