Dear All   Whilst on the subject, here are some more sites that I have found useful:   http://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/index.html  BMDs and many other resources from Woodchurch (between Ashford and Tenterden) in Kent   http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/ Marriages from the mid Kent area 1754 - 1911 and one I'm sure most of you know all about: http://www.theweald.org/ Karen Lynas nee Styles 14897   ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Ward <[email protected]> To: sfhg mailing list <[email protected]> Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2012, 12:26 Subject: [SFHG] Memorial Inscriptions in Kent Dear Listers,   There is a very useful website provided by the Kent Archaeological Society which has details of memorial inscriptions in a large number of (but sadly not all) Kent churchyards.  It is particularly useful as the information was recorded from the mid-18th century until 1923, and many of the headstones are now illegible.   see http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIslist.htm   The MI's can be searched by individual graveyard, but there are also instructions for searching the entire site.   Neal Ward 9743 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers,   There is a very useful website provided by the Kent Archaeological Society which has details of memorial inscriptions in a large number of (but sadly not all) Kent churchyards.  It is particularly useful as the information was recorded from the mid-18th century until 1923, and many of the headstones are now illegible.   see http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIslist.htm   The MI's can be searched by individual graveyard, but there are also instructions for searching the entire site.   Neal Ward 9743

Hello Robin How about some names for members to look up if they feel inclined? Judy Excell -------------------------------------------------- From: "ROBIN COATES" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:32 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [SFHG] Why move Mayfield to Hastings area. > Hi list. > I am researching an ancestor who, if I have got the right chap, > moved from Mayfield to Westfield - near Hastings - sometime in the > mid to late 18th century. The family had lived in the Mayfield area > for generations so wonder why he should suddenly up sticks and > move. Might there have been some reason for his move that would > also have applied to others; new opporunities for work near the > coast for instance? > I have just found another couple, both of Mayfield, who married in > Hollington - also near Hastings - at about the same time. > My guess is that both men were ag labs or something similar when > in the Mayfield area. > Any suggestion would be appreciated. > Many thanks, > Robin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Was he marrying someone from the Westfield area? If already married, did he take his family, or simply abscond? Did he have relatives there who could offer him work? Had he been involved in a crime or something similar that made him unpopular in Mayfield? Check the local Quarter Sessions records to see if there are papers about reasons for the move. And the Poor Law records at parish level if they exist. Ian C > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ROBIN COATES > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SFHG] Why move Mayfield to Hastings area. > > Hi list. > I am researching an ancestor who, if I have got the right > chap, moved from Mayfield to Westfield - near Hastings - > sometime in the mid to late 18th century. The family had > lived in the Mayfield area for generations so wonder why he > should suddenly up sticks and move. Might there have been > some reason for his move that would also have applied to > others; new opporunities for work near the coast for instance? > I have just found another couple, both of Mayfield, who > married in Hollington - also near Hastings - at about the same time. > My guess is that both men were ag labs or something similar > when in the Mayfield area. > Any suggestion would be appreciated. > Many thanks, > Robin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi list. I am researching an ancestor who, if I have got the right chap, moved from Mayfield to Westfield - near Hastings - sometime in the mid to late 18th century. The family had lived in the Mayfield area for generations so wonder why he should suddenly up sticks and move. Might there have been some reason for his move that would also have applied to others; new opporunities for work near the coast for instance? I have just found another couple, both of Mayfield, who married in Hollington - also near Hastings - at about the same time. My guess is that both men were ag labs or something similar when in the Mayfield area. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Many thanks, Robin

Hi Tony & Cathy, For what it is worth, the Butlin's Ocean Hotel building still survives but has been converted into flats in the last 10-15 years. David Bexhill, East Sussex, UK ------------------------------ Original Message > > There's a Butlin's Memories page on this hotel at > http://www.butlinsmemories.com/hotels/oceanhotelsaltdean/index.htm > which says it was sold to the Grand Hotel Group, but I don't know whether > that organisation still exists. > > According to the BBC - > http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/sussex/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8497000/8497085.stm > the building is now owned by a company called Explore Living - > http://www.exploreliving.co.uk/developments/grand-ocean/ > > Hopefully with a bit of detective work and a few emails you may be able to > find where the records went, if they were not dumped in a skip, as sadly > happens sometimes. My instinct would be to start with Bultlins - > http://www.butlins.com/index.aspx > as they ran it in the period you're looking at.

A(c)(k)(e)(h)urst researchers to meet. The Akehurst Family history Society is a One-Name Society for folk researching the surname Akehurst and any of the variants (including Akhurst, Ackhurst, Ackehurst). Akehurst is a predominantly East Sussex name, whilst the Akhurst variant is found mainly in Kent. The Society holds a GetTogether in Sussex or Kent every even-numbered year, and in Australasia every odd-numbered year. This year's GetTogether will be held in Canterbury - on the weekend of 14-16 September. Everyone with an interest in the Akehurst (or variant) name is most welcome to join us. For further details, contact Alan Pett at <[email protected]> or phone 012 7381 3048 or visit the Akehurst FHS website at www.akehurst.org Hope to see you in Canterbury next month. ooRoo David (12628) ... in ch-ch-chilly Melbourne, Aust.

Robin, It appears from someone's tree on Ancestry that Ann Fuggle's husband Hall Gasson Moon died in 1807 and there is an entry in IGI for Anne Moon marrying Henry Pial in 1809 in Rolveden and this is probably your Anne (but you may know this already). By looking at the SFHS site, it seems all of the Fuggles were born in the 1800's and so it is probable that she was born in Kent. IGI have a birth for Ann Fuggle in Tenterden (which is just a few miles down the road from Rolveden) in 1782 to William and Ann....may be or not be For Elizabeth, if Neal's marriage in Blean is correct, then Sarah Elizabeth married Richard Pilcher and so by 1851 Census, Sarah was born in 1821 in Blean to Stephen and Sarah. If we are going down the wrong routes, then please provide some more information. Cheers, Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ROBIN COATES Sent: 12 August 2012 12:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFHG] Fuggle, Gibbs Hello. I am trying to assist a friend in Aus and would be grateful for any help that might lead to the names of the parents of:- 1, Ann Fuggle who married in 1804 and so possibly born between say 1760 and 1790. 2..Elizabeth Gibbs who married in 1845 and so possibly born between 1800 and 1830. It is most likely that they were born in Rolveden in West Kent or Rye in East Susex. Any suggestions would be appreciated Robin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5196 - Release Date: 08/12/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5196 - Release Date: 08/12/12

I tried to reply to Robin Coates' recent posting but the message came back "rejected" as spam.  I notice the listing address Robin used was [email protected], which is different to the original I used when I joined the list.  I re-sent my reply to [email protected] and that seemed to go OK.   Neal Ward 9743

Sorry, the BMD reference should be   Blean March 1845 volume 5 page 35 (not 45)   Neal

  Robin,   From Family Search (aka the IGI), Ann Fuggle married a gentleman known as "Hall Gasson Moon" on 16th June 1804 at Rolvenden, Kent, England. By 1804 it would have been standard practice to enter the witnesses to the marriage in the parish register.  These would most likely have been family members.  I don't have connections with a Kent family history society, but searching the web should turn up a society who might help you get a photocopy of the entry in the register.  It is even possible that the Rolvenden PR is searchable on the web - worth checking! The marriage of Elizabeth Gibbs in 1845 should be much more straightforward, as its in the civil registration period.  My search of FreeBMD turned up the following:- Sarah Elizabeth Gibbs marriage March quarter 1845 at Blean in Kent volume 5 page 45. If she is the correct person, you can order the Marriage Certificate online using this information. By law, the bride and groom should have given their father's name and occupation. Regards Neal ________________________________ From: ROBIN COATES <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2012, 12:24 Subject: [SFHG] Fuggle, Gibbs Hello. I am trying to assist a friend in Aus and would be grateful for any help that might lead to the names of the parents of:- 1,  Ann Fuggle who married in 1804 and so possibly born between say 1760 and 1790. 2..Elizabeth Gibbs who married in 1845 and so possibly born between 1800 and 1830. It is most likely that they were born in Rolveden in West Kent or Rye in East Susex. Any suggestions would be appreciated Robin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Helen, By co-incidence I have on my desk in Western Australia today " 20 Centuries in Sedlescombe, by Beryl Lucey", as I have been trying to find Dennetts in Sedlescombe before 1720, without success. There seems to be a gap in Sedlescombe records before then. The book has several references to Waghorne of Sedlescombe, so I hope that you can access a copy. I will quote some: p 88 "In 1715 Susannah Darby, daughter of William and Susannah, married John Waghorne. p 119 - a reference to lands of Robert Waghornes in 1543 p 126 - in 1807 in a deed of sale for some Sedlescombe land including a cottage next to the King's Head mentions t "the butcher Waghorne using parts of the land as a fell monger's yard. p 362 - Pump House 6 (the book has several maps) was noted in 1834 as "close by Waghorne's the butcher". p 366 - "The Butcher at Holmes House" "The Will of William Wood , of Vinehall, dated 1809: Devise to William Waghorne of Sedlescombe, butcher, of the messuage or tenement where the testator was living"........ " William Waghorne the butcher died in 1835, and was buried not in Sedlescombe churchyard, but in that of St Mary in the Castle, Hastings, in which parish he lived for the last few years of his life, leaving his son, John, to manage the butcher's shop." Others will be better able to help you with searching BDM records. I struggle a bit with the members area of the SFHG site. If anyone can help, I would appreciate also being advised of any on line sources. Good Luck Mal Dennett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Allen" <[email protected]> To: "sfhg mailing list" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:37 AM Subject: [SFHG] WAGHORN(E) > > Hello all > > I am trying to trace my ancestors and am a complete novice when it comes > to tracing the older generations and navigating my way around the SFHG > website, so would really appreciate some help and guidance. > > My oldest ancestor is : > > William Waghorn 1764 - 20/11/1834 > > He was buried in the Holy Trinity Parish St Mary in the Castle and I know > he was a church warden in Sedlescombe. > > He married Elizabeth Symes in Whatlington Church on 20/12/1792 > > Elizabeth was born 1767 and died 14/6/1831 (Fairlight Parish) St Mary in > the Castle > > Please could you advise me on next step to trace William back? How would > I go about getting a copy of their marriage record? > > I have tried to glean as much information as I can from SFHG website, but > without definitively knowing Williams parents names, I am only guessing > that it may be a Thomas Waghorn & Rebecca Waghorn (nee Hollands) as the > birth year ties in with a baptism in Mountfield. (They married in > Mountfield on 29/1/1756) > > Any help would be much appreciated > > regards > Helen Allen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi list, just a note that “Fuggles” were a variety of Hops, and as the family had Kent connections were quite likely engaged originally in the Hop trade. An avenue that may be worth exploring. Vic 9082.

I see Mal has come up with some fascinating information, which is exactly why posting your query in as many places as possible is the key to putting together the whole picture. Navigating SFHG's site is not easy as there is so much on there, but it's worth taking time over. Don't be afraid to ask for help from the people who coordinate each topic and don't forget, too, to search the Sussex Family History magazine and/or Sussex People Index for mentions of your potential ancestors. In addition, imaginative "Googling" with search combinations of facts such as names/occupations/places/dates etc. will produce some obscure but vitally important bits of information. It's difficult to advise on internet sources specifically as there are literally millions of them, but spending the time on it will often produce unexpected results. Tony 9967 www.tonyholkham.org On 11 August 2012 00:37, Helen Allen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello all > > I am trying to trace my ancestors and am a complete novice when it comes > to tracing the older generations and navigating my way around the SFHG > website, so would really appreciate some help and guidance. > > My oldest ancestor is : > > William Waghorn 1764 - 20/11/1834 > > He was buried in the Holy Trinity Parish St Mary in the Castle and I know > he was a church warden in Sedlescombe. > > He married Elizabeth Symes in Whatlington Church on 20/12/1792 > > Elizabeth was born 1767 and died 14/6/1831 (Fairlight Parish) St Mary in > the Castle > > Please could you advise me on next step to trace William back? How would > I go about getting a copy of their marriage record? > > I have tried to glean as much information as I can from SFHG website, but > without definitively knowing Williams parents names, I am only guessing > that it may be a Thomas Waghorn & Rebecca Waghorn (nee Hollands) as the > birth year ties in with a baptism in Mountfield. (They married in > Mountfield on 29/1/1756) > > Any help would be much appreciated > > regards > Helen Allen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- _________________ Tony Holkham * Writer * *www.tonyholkham.co.uk*

Helen,   I think the first thing to remember with family history research is that there are very few certainties! Work with what you can find, but always be prepared to revise your tree if new information comes to light.   Looking at Sussex Waghorns, there seems to be a cluster around the area you mention, and another much further west.  I think the Thomas and Rebecca Waghorn you found probably are William's parents, as the birth year is correct and they are living in the right area.  Are you working from the SFHG Data Archive?  It can be a bit long winded to find what you want, but its well worth persisting.  Searching for other WAGHORN births under Baptisms at Mountfield thows up several other children for Thomas and Rebecca. Do you have any other family information that would tie these into your tree and confirm you have the right parents?   The SFHG Data Archive does not include marriages - they are on a CD that is well worth buying.  The marriage of William Waghorne and Elizabth Simes is in there, but sadly there is little extra information (except that William was from Sedlescombe).  Some entries contain the names of the witnesses, who are often family members.  It is possible that there is more information in the original parish register, a microfilm copy of which should be available for searching in the East Sussex Record Office and probably also in Hastings Public Library.  If you are not local, another SFHG member may be able to look it up for you.   Good luck   Neal ________________________________ From: Helen Allen <[email protected]> To: sfhg mailing list <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 11 August 2012, 0:37 Subject: [SFHG] WAGHORN(E) Hello all I am trying to trace my ancestors and am a complete novice when it comes to tracing the older generations and navigating my way around the SFHG website, so would really appreciate some help and guidance. My oldest ancestor is : William Waghorn 1764 - 20/11/1834 He was buried in the Holy Trinity Parish St Mary in the Castle and I know he was a church warden in Sedlescombe. He married Elizabeth Symes in Whatlington Church on 20/12/1792 Elizabeth was born 1767 and died 14/6/1831 (Fairlight Parish) St Mary in the Castle Please could you advise me on next step to trace William back?  How would I go about getting a copy of their marriage record? I have tried to glean as much information as I can from SFHG website, but without definitively knowing Williams parents names, I am only guessing that it may be a Thomas Waghorn & Rebecca Waghorn (nee Hollands) as the birth year ties in with a baptism in Mountfield. (They married in Mountfield on 29/1/1756) Any help would be much appreciated regards Helen Allen                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello. I am trying to assist a friend in Aus and would be grateful for any help that might lead to the names of the parents of:- 1, Ann Fuggle who married in 1804 and so possibly born between say 1760 and 1790. 2..Elizabeth Gibbs who married in 1845 and so possibly born between 1800 and 1830. It is most likely that they were born in Rolveden in West Kent or Rye in East Susex. Any suggestions would be appreciated Robin

hello Listers its that time again we are meeting Tuesday 14th at st Andrews church hall roffey and the topic is heirlooms , so you have pleanty of scope. see you there God Bless Christine

Hello all I am trying to trace my ancestors and am a complete novice when it comes to tracing the older generations and navigating my way around the SFHG website, so would really appreciate some help and guidance. My oldest ancestor is : William Waghorn 1764 - 20/11/1834 He was buried in the Holy Trinity Parish St Mary in the Castle and I know he was a church warden in Sedlescombe. He married Elizabeth Symes in Whatlington Church on 20/12/1792 Elizabeth was born 1767 and died 14/6/1831 (Fairlight Parish) St Mary in the Castle Please could you advise me on next step to trace William back? How would I go about getting a copy of their marriage record? I have tried to glean as much information as I can from SFHG website, but without definitively knowing Williams parents names, I am only guessing that it may be a Thomas Waghorn & Rebecca Waghorn (nee Hollands) as the birth year ties in with a baptism in Mountfield. (They married in Mountfield on 29/1/1756) Any help would be much appreciated regards Helen Allen

Cathy - some thoughts... There's a Butlin's Memories page on this hotel at http://www.butlinsmemories.com/hotels/oceanhotelsaltdean/index.htm which says it was sold to the Grand Hotel Group, but I don't know whether that organisation still exists. According to the BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/sussex/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8497000/8497085.stm the building is now owned by a company called Explore Living - http://www.exploreliving.co.uk/developments/grand-ocean/ Hopefully with a bit of detective work and a few emails you may be able to find where the records went, if they were not dumped in a skip, as sadly happens sometimes. My instinct would be to start with Bultlins - http://www.butlins.com/index.aspx as they ran it in the period you're looking at. Good luck! Tony 9967 www.tonyholkham.org On 8 August 2012 16:25, Cathy Bonner <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello listers, > Does anyone know where, if any exist, I can locate empolyees records for > the above named hotel?One of our friends' s father worked there in the > late1950's - 1960's.I am presuming that any records may be at Chichester > but I may be wrong. > Cathy Bonner member 14741 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- _________________ Tony Holkham * Writer * *www.tonyholkham.co.uk*

If the records have been deposited, and it's a big 'if', they are most likely to be at ESRO. You could check their catalogue online at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a . Failing that, you could try the Brighton History Centre to see if they know whether the records have survived. Go to http://www.brighton-hove-rpml.org.uk/museums/brightonhistorycentre for more details. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323