Caroline, Thank you very much.  I will look at Ancestry and see what I can find. I have had a concern with Origins Apprentice database. I have seen a number of my ancestors' entries in the books when in London at the Guildhall last year, however, they do not appear on the Origins site.  This causes me to be concerned that there are others missing in the Origins' database.  The entries I have viewed at the Guildhall, which do not appear on Origins' list, were very clearly written and the ink dark and crisp....so that the image would have been very clear...so puzzles me as to why I do not see them in the Origins database....Will check Ancestry and see if I can find them. Thanks again, Donna  Michigan, USA   The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. ________________________________ From: Caroline Bradford <[email protected]> To: Donna Casey <[email protected]> Cc: SFHG List <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [LON] Apprenticeships London c1600-1700? Hi Donna In the vast majority of cases, apprenticeships were a private matter between master and apprentice (or, more pragmatically, between master and apprentice's parent) so the only records would be original indentures passed down through the family. There are three main exceptions: 1). Those who intended to pursue a craft or trade within (or very close to) the City of London, in which case an apprenticeship leading to membership of the relevant Livery Company would (for the century in question) be required. Livery Company records are, by and large, well preserved and, if the apprentice proceeded (as most did) to gain Freedom of the City, you should be able to find a record of his admission via Ancestry (1681 onwards). 2). Apprenticeships were arranged for those in the care of poor law guardians or private charities. The relevant body may have extant records, though you would need a clue or two about who placed him in order to know where to start searching. 3). For about a century after 1710, there was a tax on apprenticeship indentures. Details of the taxes paid are in IR1 at TNA and are available online via Ancestry.  Like most taxes, this tax was avoided wherever possible, so the records are not wholly comprehensive. Hope this helps Caroline Sent from my iPad On 6 Jan 2013, at 18:31, Donna Casey <[email protected]> wrote: > Aside from Origins.net, is there any other on-line source to search apprenticeships and masters? > > The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This mailing list works in parallel with the London surname interest list on the web at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/london.html .  Check for matching interests and add your own ! > > Any problems, please contact the List Admin: [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aside from Origins.net, is there any other on-line source to search apprenticeships and masters? The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it will change; the realist adjusts the sails. 

Robin, I am not sure about 1615 but often in-laws were referred to as brothers especially if the testator was a woman. If the testator was married, I would look to 'the other side',,,if not, then possibly a very close friend who they considered a brother. Regards, Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ROBIN COATES Sent: 06 January 2013 09:59 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFHG] 2 adult brothers with same name. HI all.   You're probably getting heartily fed up with my endless list of query but, sorry, here is another one.   I have a 1615 will in which the testator refers to my brother John of Northiam and and my brother John of Withiam. Should I understand from this that the brothers were siblings or could the word 'brother' have had a wider meaning in 1615?.   Many thanks,   Robin 9107. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5977 - Release Date: 12/21/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5977 - Release Date: 12/21/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

Could mean brother, half brother, step brother, brother in law or possibly having the same godfather. It is also quite possible for two brothers to have the same forename and to be distinguished by elder / younger or place of residence. Any sign of a will from the father? Judy Excell -----Original Message----- From: ROBIN COATES Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 9:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SFHG] 2 adult brothers with same name. HI all. You're probably getting heartily fed up with my endless list of query but, sorry, here is another one. I have a 1615 will in which the testator refers to my brother John of Northiam and and my brother John of Withiam. Should I understand from this that the brothers were siblings or could the word 'brother' have had a wider meaning in 1615?. Many thanks, Robin 9107. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI all.   You're probably getting heartily fed up with my endless list of query but, sorry, here is another one.   I have a 1615 will in which the testator refers to my brother John of Northiam and and my brother John of Withiam. Should I understand from this that the brothers were siblings or could the word 'brother' have had a wider meaning in 1615?.   Many thanks,   Robin 9107.

Many thanks to all who responded with my access issues. As a result I have experimented on my PC with other browsers and have found that the combination of Mozilla Firefox and Windows 98 appears to be my problem, the Firefox works OK with Vista and the Windows IE seems fine with Win 98. It appears the latest version of Firefox is not fully compatible with Win 98 on selected URL searches!!! Exit Firefox...........Sorry Frontis. Richard Windsor

Hi all I have had enormous problems with Frontis for the last month or so; this has resulted in 4 or 5 hours of access after hours and hours of trying to get through. The rest of the SFHG site flies nicely along; the SFHG webmaster informs me the servers for Frontis are operated by Frontis. Can I ask the question - Is any one else having problems with Frontis? Not being able to utilise what is a very valuable resource for me in Australia is very galling, do I have a problem or do Frontis?? Are they buffering overseas demands to reduce workload on their servers? Kind regards to all Richard Windsor Adelaide Member 14378

Richard, The SFHG website and Frontis both happen to use 1&1 as host, but as you know are independent. Frontis logs show some interruptions in service but from the figures you quote I wonder whether other components between you and Frontis are contributing to your problems. I would doubt that the origin of queries has any significance for the Frontis system. Alan (ex-SFHG webmaster) Richard Windsor wrote on 04/01/2013 12:48: > Hi all > I have had enormous problems with Frontis for the last month or so; > this has resulted in 4 or 5 hours of access after hours and hours of > trying to get through. > The rest of the SFHG site flies nicely along; the SFHG webmaster > informs me the servers for Frontis are operated by Frontis. > > Can I ask the question - Is any one else having problems with Frontis? > > Not being able to utilise what is a very valuable resource for me in > Australia is very galling, do I have a problem or do Frontis?? Are > they buffering overseas demands to reduce workload on their servers? > > Kind regards to all > > Richard Windsor > Adelaide > > Member 14378 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mine seems to be as expected, mind you with a download speed of 1.1 meg what would I know! Happy New Year to you all, Trevor. On 4 Jan 2013, at 12:48, Richard Windsor wrote: > Hi all > I have had enormous problems with Frontis for the last month or so; > this has resulted in 4 or 5 hours of access after hours and hours of > trying to get through. > The rest of the SFHG site flies nicely along; the SFHG webmaster > informs me the servers for Frontis are operated by Frontis. > > Can I ask the question - Is any one else having problems with Frontis? > > Not being able to utilise what is a very valuable resource for me in > Australia is very galling, do I have a problem or do Frontis?? Are > they buffering overseas demands to reduce workload on their servers? > > Kind regards to all > > Richard Windsor > Adelaide > > Member 14378 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,   I would very much like to hear from anyone who is researching the Russell family in the Rotherfield area particularly in the 17th and 18th centuries.   I am puzzled as to why at least some of the Rotherfield Russells got married elsewhere.   Many thanks,   Robin 9107.

In message <[email protected]> Christine Jackson <[email protected]> wrote: > I have an ancestor who was described in the 1797 Militia List for > Rottingdean as a labourer and 'headborough'. He was aged 37 at the > time. >   > I have looked up definitions on the Internet (old occupations) but > there are more than one and I am not quite sure what being a > headborough involved by 1797. >   > Is anyone able to enlighten me on that please? "A Dictionary of Old Trades, Titles and Occupations" by Colin Waters has it as a "Deputy constable". Chris -- Chris Shepheard writing as himself [email protected] from far west Surrey www.chrispics.co.uk

Hi Christine, various dictionaries have a Headborough as  'chief of tithing' or 'frankpledge'. Modern day a pety constable. 37 was probably a good old age back then.   cheers Wendy

Happy New Year to all Listers!   I have an ancestor who was described in the 1797 Militia List for Rottingdean as a labourer and 'headborough'. He was aged 37 at the time.   I have looked up definitions on the Internet (old occupations) but there are more than one and I am not quite sure what being a headborough involved by 1797.   Is anyone able to enlighten me on that please?   Christine Jackson SFHG 397 in sunny, snowy, but frigid Ottawa (-16C & -26C with windchill)

Hi Robin, A Happy New Year to you. The most obvious reason a couple should choose to marry by licence 8 miles from their home parish is that a quick marriage was needed and there was no incumbent available in their home parish at that time - perhaps he was absent on business or sick. The licence indicates the necessity of speed even though it would have only be operable in Lewes Archdeaconry, and perhaps the incumbent at Little Horsted was available. It is possible that one or other the couple’s parents had been married there and thus they were continuing a tradition, but the use of the licence does not, in my mind, indicate on its own, a family connection with Little Horsted. At not too far away Withyham, there was a local tradition of marriages by licence due to the popularity of the incumbent (see an article of mine in an early issue of SFH). Michael Burchall Sent from Windows Mail From: ROBIN COATES Sent: ‎01‎ ‎January‎ ‎2013 ‎12‎:‎29 To: [email protected] Subject: [SFHG] Why marry 8 miles from home. 1674, A Happy New Year to all. I am curious as to why a couple, both shown as of Rotherfield, would get a Lewes license and then get married in Little Horsted, at least 8 miles from Rotherfield, in 1687. Why not get married in Rotherfield?. Might this suggest that one of the couple had some family connection to Little Horsted?. They must have returned to Rotherfield as they had 9 children baptised there between 1688 and 1708. Any suggestions hugely appreciated, With many thanks Robin (9107) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A Happy New Year to all. I am curious as to why a couple, both shown as of Rotherfield, would get a Lewes license and then get married in Little Horsted, at least 8 miles from Rotherfield, in 1687.  Why not get married in Rotherfield?.  Might this suggest that one of  the couple had some family connection to Little Horsted?. They must have returned to Rotherfield as they had 9 children baptised there between 1688 and 1708. Any suggestions hugely appreciated, With many thanks Robin (9107)

The latest SussexLink, Sussex Family History Group's e-newsletter, has now been published. See it, and previous issues, at http://www.sfhg.org.uk/sussexlink.html. Or send an e-mail to mailto:[email protected] to subscribe to receive it each quarter. Trevor

Thank you all. The suggestions for layouts I have drawn up are shown below. I prefer if contributors type them out themselves as they are more likely to be able to identify names correctly and it saves me time and effort. A really carefully thought out word processed entry means I only need to copy and paste each one before indexing the names. Judy Excell, spi Information layouts? Birth certificates. Full Name of child, Date and Place of Birth, Boy or Girl, Full Name of father, Occupation of father, Full Name of mother, and maiden name, Name and description of informant, Registration District and Sub-district, Date of registration, Registrar Name after registration (if any) It might also be useful to have the number and the date of the copy. (Name and SFHG number to be shown with the certificate information OPTIONAL) If the event is outside Sussex for a Sussex person then please add a note to the data so that it may be passed to the 'Strays' Index in due course. Death certificates. Full name, When and where died, Male or Female, Age, Occupation, Cause of death, Certified by (if stated), Name and Description of informant, Registration District and Sub-district, Date of registration, Registrar It might also be useful to have the number and the date of the copy. (Name and SFHG number to be shown with the certificate information OPTIONAL) If the event is outside Sussex for a Sussex person then please add a note to the data so that it may be passed to the 'Strays' Index in due course. Marriage certificates. Number and Date of Marriage Registration District, Church/Chapel, Parish, County Groom : Name, Age, Condition, Occupation, Residence Father : Name, Occupation Bride : Name, Age, Condition, Occupation, Residence Father : Name, Occupation By (Banns/Licence) Registrar : Minister/Clergyman : Witnesses : It might also be useful to have the number and the date of the copy. (Name and SFHG number to be shown with the certificate information OPTIONAL) If the event is outside Sussex for a Sussex person then please add a note to the data so that it may be passed to the 'Strays' Index in due course. -----Original Message----- From: Neal Ward Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 5:08 PM To: Victor Deacon ; SFHG Subject: Re: [SFHG] Judy Excell / Unwanted certificates I would also be happy to supply details of all the BMD certificates I have if there was such a template. If Judy doesn't have one, is there a volunteer out there who could produce a suitable template? Neal 9743 ________________________________ From: Victor Deacon <[email protected]> To: SFHG <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012, 16:14 Subject: [SFHG] Judy Excell / Unwanted certificates Hi Judy, further to your mail of the 17 th. Dec. I have a number of certificates relating to the Ranger family which I am happy to provide details for. My question is whether you would like them as individual lines or maybe as an Excel/word document. If so do you have a template we could use that would simplify your data input? regards, vic, 9082.

I would also be happy to supply details of all the BMD certificates I have if there was such a template.  If Judy doesn't have one, is there a volunteer out there who could produce a suitable template?   Neal 9743 ________________________________ From: Victor Deacon <[email protected]> To: SFHG <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 29 December 2012, 16:14 Subject: [SFHG] Judy Excell / Unwanted certificates Hi Judy, further to your mail of the 17 th. Dec. I have a number of certificates relating to the Ranger family which I am happy to provide details for. My question is whether you would like them as individual lines or maybe as an Excel/word document. If so do you have a template we could use that would simplify your data input? regards, vic, 9082. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I am looking for a researcher to go to Lambeth palace and give me abstract of manorial docunents does anyone know any one who they would trust And can get in this achieve easierly james

If you go to http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/start-your-family-tree-week/26 , you can claim 50 free credits to FMP. The offer expires on 02 Jan. You will need to register with FMP as part of the claiming process, but only your name and E-mail address will be required. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323