Dear Charles, All the Severs are entitled to the reduced Group rate by using the following link to order a test: _http://www.ftdna.com/surname_join.asp?code=W68870&special=true_ (http://www.ftdna.com/surname_join.asp?code=W68870&special=true) Again, I am in favor of DNA tests to assist with genealogy but only for selected individuals. One male in each family group that is known to be a documented group. Multiple tests in a group are not very helpful for the amount of cost. The money would be better spent on testing a member of another group. ALways a male member and always a 25 or 37 marker test as 12 is not sufficient to tell anything definite as the first 12 markers are oriented toward larger groups of immigrants and tend to match with persons of the same migratory pattern. For example, my test matched better with l8 persons NOT NAMED Severs and NOT CONNECTED to Severs than they did a very likely cousin. The probable cousin matched ll of 12 markers on the first 12. This is fairly common with one mutation, but the others were 12/12 match. More markers are needed for additional sureity. As you can see 12 markers wont do it. The DNA can be used where proof is very difficult. It will not tell an exact relationship but most problems of relationship can be suspected by the data at hand but cannot be proven. This does not prove a relationship exactly but does tell that a close one exists. EXAMPLE: My family group started with a marriage of Wm Severs born l752 and Catherine Peck born around l770. They married in l793 in Montgomery Co VA and, promptly , moved to Knox Co TN where that area was cut off and formed Anderson Co TN (no real move, just a boundary change). There is a Daniel H Severs born l800-02 in TN found in the l850 census of Madison Co AL. Daniel and Daniel H Severs is a name used in 4 others in the proven family group and he is highly suspect as a son of theirs. The same is true of Charles J Severs found in Washington Co AR and born l8ll (my ancestor ws born l809). In that case the names are not similar as there was only one son, Frederick Ballard Severs (apparently named for the wifes family, Ballard at least) and 3 daughters. Daniel's family cannot be traced as yet to a living male. ( I will paste an outline below, later), but the son was traced to a Charles Severs in California. IN that case a DNA may be the only way to tell if there is a definite connection although it will not dell exactly what that connection was. Of couse, the more matches the more likely they are to be sons of William l752. Of course, we are hoping to get a DNA test on that person but he has not stated his willingness to do so. I am still looking for a male desc of this group of Daniel l802 July probably. Descendants of Daniel H Severs 1 Daniel H Severs 1802 - 1875 b: Jul 1802 in anderson Co TN Lived Madison Co AL d: 21 Sep 1875 in Phillips Co AR age 73+2months . +Nancy Unknown 1800 - b: 1800 in SC m: Abt. 1817 in phillips Co AR . 2 John W Severs 1825 - b: 1825 in Alabama in Craighead Co AR in l870 Census ..... +Lucinda C Tiller 1835 - b: 1835 m: 22 Dec 1857 in Madison Co Al . 2 Kate Catherine Severs 1831 - b: 1831 in Alabama ..... +James Gooch m: 07 Jan 1858 in Madison Co AL newspaper. . 2 Melissa J Severs 1833 - b: 1833 in Alabama ..... +Samue A. Giles m: 18 Dec 1856 in Madison Co AL newspaper. presume Madison Co . 2 Hugh M Severs 1818 - b: 1818 in TN in Madison Co AL in l850 Blacksmith 1850 Census ..... +Nancy B Atkison/Adkisson 1824 - b: 1824 m: 08 Feb 1842 in Roane Co TN ..... 3 William L Severs 1841 - b: 1841 in TN ..... 3 James Severs 1844 - b: 1844 in probTN or AL(1880 Census) ......... +Lucy C Unknown 1834 - b: 1834 in Al ..... 3 Mary Severs 1846 - b: 1846 in Alabama ..... 3 Arta Severs 1849 - b: 1849 . 2 William F Severs 1827 - b: 1827 in Alabama ..... +Lucy A Unknown 1840 - b: 1840 ..... 3 Lucy Severs 1875 - b: 1875 in AR (likely Madison Co) . 2 Stephen B Severs 1831 - 1880 b: 1831 in Alabama d: Bet. 1880 - 1900 ..... +Susan Graham 1828 - b: Jun 1828 in AL d: in Living in 1900 Census of AL m: Abt. 1859 in Limestone or Madison Co AL probably ..... 3 Jennie Severs 1860 - b: 1860 in AL ..... 3 Catherine Severs 1861 - b: 1861 in AL ..... 3 Mary L Severs 1863 - b: 1863 in AL ..... 3 Mattie Severs 1865 - b: 1865 in AL ..... 3 Lee Severs 1867 - b: 1867 in AL ..... 3 Julia Severs 1869 - b: 1869 in AL ..... 3 George Severs 1871 - b: 1871 in AL ..... 3 Burton' Bert" Severs 1874 - b: Aug 1874 in AL *2nd Wife of Daniel H Severs: . +Sarah J Parham m: 1868 in phillips Co AR ANY HELP on this group appreciated. I would gladly give any other info that I have Charles Severs