Hi Nancy & Sharyn & all, Nancy, like you I would like to see at least a part of the message left. I'm a shocker, I tend to come in at the tail end of things, & wonder about the rest of the conversation. Sharyn, I can see your point about expensive servers & not letting messages get too huge. Emails don't take lots of space in this format. Lance will put us right, but I suggest we all "cut" the senders email addies, when replying or forwarding. I would also suggest we give our basic whereabouts, & the general internet plan we are on. I'll start. I'm in Australia on $10 p.m. unlimited, my work place buys a block time, & a friend is on a $1.00 ish an hour time. It works out well .... I surf heaps no problem ... work probably uses $3-4 dollars a month on block time, the friend on the per hr plan probably uses $2-3 a month. They both get HUGE stuff through .... pics, movies, etc, but the cost is not bad. I would guess that most on this list are Canadian, American, English, Scottish, Irish, New Zealanders, & the odd Ozzie, & would guess services to I.S.P's with competitive priciing. Maybe the rest of the world is catching up, & does need tons of money to run an i.s.p. Cheers All Carolyn . >> Subject: Re: [SR-NEWBIE] Phishing Attacks on AOL & Yahoo IM > snip >> Would it be possible to include part of the message in the replies, so >> that the rest of us know what's being talked about? > snip >> > NancyT > > I have recently been part of a discussion about this subject on another > list and > have had to really think about the international nature of our lists. > There are different > ways to pay for internet access. In the USA most pay by the month for > unlimited > access, though some still pay by the hour. Other countries have different > systems > which make it really important to keep messages short so that download > time is > also short. So, when replying, please "snip" all but the really important > part of the > message that identifies the part to which you are replying. Your > international > friends will be grateful. > > Regards, > Sharyn > > > ==== SENIOR-NEWBIE Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, click here and send: > mailto:SENIOR-NEWBIE-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > To leave the DIGEST, click here and send: > mailto:SENIOR-NEWBIE-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Yes, we do have to be mindful of what we send. Though with Roots Web Lists it is not too much of a problem as the messages are all in PLAIN TEXT. Messages in that format are not of a great size. On average most would be under 20 KB. The messages that do cause problems are the ones sent in HTML or Rich Text Format to friends or other lists that do accept that format. One list I am on has several members who delight in using the fanciest of fonts and colours just to write a simple query to a list. The best rule of thumb is to avoid sending messages in that format at all times unless absolutely necesary. Here are some sites which will explain why (so I don't have to increase the size of this message by explaining :-)!): http://www.expita.com/nomime.html http://tinyurl.com/43kmr http://www.mail-list.com/list_owner/plain_text_email.html http://www.frontierfleet.net/email/index.php The other thing to watch is sending attachments to people who may have limited downloads. We all get excited about a fantastic family shot or a beautiful scene we have captured and get the urge to share. Add it to a message click "Send" and away it goes or does it? If it is sets your mail program spinning indicating a very slow "Send" that seems to take forever, the file was far too big. Look at the size of any attachment. Keep it to a manageable size. Or even better check first to see if the recipient is able to accept it. They may be approaching their download limit for the month and your image might push them to a higher rate or close down their mail box altogether. In other words, be considerate. Passing on those jokes you receive too can burden - unnecessarily - other people's mail boxes. What you consider delightfully funny, may not amuse the receiver when their download limit is exceeded by something they didn't want. Passing on "hoax" messages that you receive - you know the ones: "Bill Gates will pay 25cents for every one you pass on to someone", or other similar appeals - that is another thing that should never be done. Check anything you receive like that against the listings on hoax sites: http://www.snopes.com/ or http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blhoax.htm are two good places to start with. Then let the person who sent it to you know that it is a hoax. They will have to let the couple of hundred people they sent it to know that it really was a hoax after all. Do try to avoid forwarding "junk". It really does waste bandwidth around the world. What we pay for our Internet service is probably meaningless to reproduce here. Most of us are really only concerned about what we as individual users pay. Information about different services in the various areas we each live in around the world can be found by a simple Internet search for listings in our individual areas. As for "snipping" messages, that certainly is a good habit to get into. Oh, I know I have quickly answered more than one message, clicked "Send" and only then realised that it came in with several other messages tagged on the bottom, much to my embarrassment. We would all have to admit to doing that at some time or other. I do try to make a conscious effort to "trim" down such messages, even if it is just to cut off the "add-ons" placed there automatically by RootsWeb (and some of those are LONG!). But don't trim EVERYTHING. I have seen messages that have left me pondering what on earth they were in answer to because someone removed all the other post completely. Finally, this site is full of good advice on communicating on lists: http://tinyurl.com/89ngx We probably all need to browse through its content periodically to keep us straying into bad habits :-). Hope this has been of some assistance. Lance On 5/28/05, Carolyn Crocker <cwcarolync@qld.chariot.net.au> wrote: Hi Nancy & Sharyn & all, Nancy, like you I would like to see at least a part of the message left. I'm a shocker, I tend to come in at the tail end of things, & wonder about the rest of the conversation. Sharyn, I can see your point about expensive servers & not letting messages get too huge. Emails don't take lots of space in this format. Lance will put us right, ut I suggest we all "cut" the senders email addies, when replying or forwarding. I would also suggest we give our basic whereabouts, & the general internet plan we are on. I'll start. I'm in Australia on $10 p.m. unlimited, my work place buys a block time, & a friend is on a $1.00 ish an hour time. It works out well .... I surf heaps no problem ... work probably uses $3-4 dollars a month on block time, the friend on the per hr plan probably uses $2-3 a month. They both get HUGE stuff through .... pics, movies, etc, but the cost is not bad. I would guess that most on this list are Canadian, American, English, Scottish, Irish, New Zealanders, & the odd Ozzie, & would guess services to I.S.P's with competitive priciing. Maybe the rest of the world is catching up, & does need tons of money to run an i.s.p. Cheers All Carolyn