I have in my database that a sister, Sarah Sellers, to James Sellers married a John Moore. Sarah was born about 1790 in NC. Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SELLERS] Margaret Minerva Sellers of Sellers Family from NC,TN & MS, wi... In a message dated 5/28/07 9:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Now in the transcription I found at genforum, the Killian in brackets was > after William Killen´s name, which would make sense. i.e. explaining that > HE > was a Killian. So, it looks like I have to order the original bond to see > what´s going on. At any rate this new find clarifies that John Moore was > witness and not minister. In respect to early N. C. marriage bonds. The bondsman was the person who promised to pay security (usually $500) if the marriage did not take place - one of the parties reneged on the agreement. Generally you find that this person is some kind of relative, brother in law, parent, cousin, occasionally a neighbor. The witness is generally either the county court clerk or a local Justice of the Peace, who the bond was written by and the security sworn too. Later you will find local minister's also filling that role, but early bonds it is more than likely the clerk or a JP. John Moore was a Justice of the Peace in Lincoln Co., NC in that period. He appears as witness on a number of bonds in Lincoln in that time frame. The Nathan Thompson - Elizabeth Black bond number is 0000762229 (reference number for the bond at the NC Archives) The bondsman for the marriage of Morris Cox and Elizabeth Black was Wallace Alexander. (Note that the Alexander family was another prolific settler family group into that area, like the Killian's were, except they were Scoth-Irish instead of German speakers. The western frontier area on NC was settled primarily by the Scotch-Irish and the German speaking groups. By the 2nd or third generation the two groups were intermarrying, although you do see a little bit of that already happening in earlier Virginia/Pa families who settled frontier NC. But they tended to keep themselves segregated within their own communities in the early settlement period) (Of course, the English speaking settlers were the ones running the government, court clerks, justices, politicians, and the German names were anglicized, which really can get things confused when researching these families. Like the two Sellers groups, one German, who were in old Tryon[Lincoln/Rutherford] county and pushed west into Rutherford and then into Haywood Co. And the English speaking Sellers who appear to have been in Mecklenburg county,then into Burke, and also moved into Haywood/ Macon Co., NC. It's a conundrum!) > As to sons of Andreas = Anrew Killian, there appear to be 6: Leonard > (accounted for); John (partially accounted for - online trees give 7 > children and no Elizabeth, though he is supposed to have had 8 children > and > his wife was named Elizabeth); David, Samuel, Andrew and Crate (not in > birth > order and all apparently listed in his will). > The William Killian who was bondsman to the Nathan Thompson - Est(h)er Black bond was most likely a grandson or great grandson of Andreas Killian. Andreas Killian died in 1788 in Lincoln Co., NC. He named 12 children in his will. The children believed to have been by two different wives. 1) Margaret b. 1721 m. Michael Price 2) Leonard b. 1723 m. Mary Margaret ? 3) John b. 1726 m. Elizabeth Zimmerman (anglacized Carpenter) 4) Jean m. William Lawin (Lawing) 5) Crete (Lucretia?) m. a Hager, possibly George Hager 6) Andrew (Andreas), Jr m. ? 7) George 8) Bunia m. James Pritchett 9) Daniel m. Mary (possibly Cline or Beaver) 10) Samuel m. Barbara Hager 11) Christianna m. John Barringer 12) Elizabeth m. Michael Hank On the topic of migrations, it is surprising when you don't find other related families living in the new area where you find your ancestors migrated too. As new lands opened up for settlement in the move westward, splinter groups would move. Maybe one or two of the family would go out west and then they'd send letters back home extolling the better living conditions, good farm land, etc., and some of the sisters, brothers, cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews would decide to pack up and move out to join them. Looking for opportunities, more land. (With families traditionally producing 10 to 15 children good land and prospects for generating income tended to dwindle over time, as the new generations reached adulthood.) Sometimes a few of them didn't like the place and would move back "home", or pick up and move westward again..but generally some of the neighbors and kinfolks would always move and cluster together. Of course, once the clustering started, they began to intermarry amongst themselves all over again. Fortunately they also picked up a few new bloodlines in these moves to help dilute the concentrated genepool. They liked their cousins. Following family lines form many of these mini migrations, which started in the western settlement area of NC soon after the Revolution (although the same pattern was typical since family groups began to emigrate out of Europe to the Colonies), I've just become accustomed to looking for family connections in the places another connecting family member is found. I've found people I didn't have a clue as to what became of them, and suddenly there they are five states away. And then I ask myself, okay, why are they here and who else is living here with them. Sometimes the connections aren't very clear until you start digging into them in more depth. Charmaine ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is interesting! Where was this in NC? Linda -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] På vegne af Georgia L. Fletcher Sendt: 28. maj 2007 22:33 Til: [email protected] Emne: Re: [SELLERS] Margaret Minerva Sellers of Sellers Family from NC,TN & MS, wi... I have in my database that a sister, Sarah Sellers, to James Sellers married a John Moore. Sarah was born about 1790 in NC. Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [SELLERS] Margaret Minerva Sellers of Sellers Family from NC,TN & MS, wi... In a message dated 5/28/07 9:42:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Now in the transcription I found at genforum, the Killian in brackets was > after William Killen´s name, which would make sense. i.e. explaining that > HE > was a Killian. So, it looks like I have to order the original bond to see > what´s going on. At any rate this new find clarifies that John Moore was > witness and not minister. In respect to early N. C. marriage bonds. The bondsman was the person who promised to pay security (usually $500) if the marriage did not take place - one of the parties reneged on the agreement. Generally you find that this person is some kind of relative, brother in law, parent, cousin, occasionally a neighbor. The witness is generally either the county court clerk or a local Justice of the Peace, who the bond was written by and the security sworn too. Later you will find local minister's also filling that role, but early bonds it is more than likely the clerk or a JP. John Moore was a Justice of the Peace in Lincoln Co., NC in that period. He appears as witness on a number of bonds in Lincoln in that time frame. The Nathan Thompson - Elizabeth Black bond number is 0000762229 (reference number for the bond at the NC Archives) The bondsman for the marriage of Morris Cox and Elizabeth Black was Wallace Alexander. (Note that the Alexander family was another prolific settler family group into that area, like the Killian's were, except they were Scoth-Irish instead of German speakers. The western frontier area on NC was settled primarily by the Scotch-Irish and the German speaking groups. By the 2nd or third generation the two groups were intermarrying, although you do see a little bit of that already happening in earlier Virginia/Pa families who settled frontier NC. But they tended to keep themselves segregated within their own communities in the early settlement period) (Of course, the English speaking settlers were the ones running the government, court clerks, justices, politicians, and the German names were anglicized, which really can get things confused when researching these families. Like the two Sellers groups, one German, who were in old Tryon[Lincoln/Rutherford] county and pushed west into Rutherford and then into Haywood Co. And the English speaking Sellers who appear to have been in Mecklenburg county,then into Burke, and also moved into Haywood/ Macon Co., NC. It's a conundrum!) > As to sons of Andreas = Anrew Killian, there appear to be 6: Leonard > (accounted for); John (partially accounted for - online trees give 7 > children and no Elizabeth, though he is supposed to have had 8 children > and > his wife was named Elizabeth); David, Samuel, Andrew and Crate (not in > birth > order and all apparently listed in his will). > The William Killian who was bondsman to the Nathan Thompson - Est(h)er Black bond was most likely a grandson or great grandson of Andreas Killian. Andreas Killian died in 1788 in Lincoln Co., NC. He named 12 children in his will. The children believed to have been by two different wives. 1) Margaret b. 1721 m. Michael Price 2) Leonard b. 1723 m. Mary Margaret ? 3) John b. 1726 m. Elizabeth Zimmerman (anglacized Carpenter) 4) Jean m. William Lawin (Lawing) 5) Crete (Lucretia?) m. a Hager, possibly George Hager 6) Andrew (Andreas), Jr m. ? 7) George 8) Bunia m. James Pritchett 9) Daniel m. Mary (possibly Cline or Beaver) 10) Samuel m. Barbara Hager 11) Christianna m. John Barringer 12) Elizabeth m. Michael Hank On the topic of migrations, it is surprising when you don't find other related families living in the new area where you find your ancestors migrated too. As new lands opened up for settlement in the move westward, splinter groups would move. Maybe one or two of the family would go out west and then they'd send letters back home extolling the better living conditions, good farm land, etc., and some of the sisters, brothers, cousins, aunts, uncles, nieces and nephews would decide to pack up and move out to join them. Looking for opportunities, more land. (With families traditionally producing 10 to 15 children good land and prospects for generating income tended to dwindle over time, as the new generations reached adulthood.) Sometimes a few of them didn't like the place and would move back "home", or pick up and move westward again..but generally some of the neighbors and kinfolks would always move and cluster together. Of course, once the clustering started, they began to intermarry amongst themselves all over again. Fortunately they also picked up a few new bloodlines in these moves to help dilute the concentrated genepool. They liked their cousins. Following family lines form many of these mini migrations, which started in the western settlement area of NC soon after the Revolution (although the same pattern was typical since family groups began to emigrate out of Europe to the Colonies), I've just become accustomed to looking for family connections in the places another connecting family member is found. I've found people I didn't have a clue as to what became of them, and suddenly there they are five states away. And then I ask myself, okay, why are they here and who else is living here with them. Sometimes the connections aren't very clear until you start digging into them in more depth. Charmaine ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message