This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: SELLERS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.sellers/2326/mb.ashx Message Board Post: GRAHAM Elaine SELLERS 1912-1965 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 205,154 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: SELLERS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.sellers/2324/mb.ashx Message Board Post: SELLERS Lois WETHERELL and Merritt F I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 205,049 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
CAROLE, thanks for sharing, marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: tips@publicus.com [mailto:tips@publicus.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:40 AM To: mari@netins.net Subject: Sellers named Philanthropist of the Year This is an article from BlueRidgeNow.com. Carole Sellers Walker thinks you might be interested in this. Link to the article: www.blueridgenow.com/article/20090729/news/907291017 A message to you from Carole Sellers Walker: Marie, this is interesting. Did not know how to send to group. Carole Sellers Walker in SC Regards Carole Sellers Walker mott@navacore.net ------------------------------------------------------------------- Attention! This e-mail is generated by a webserver. If the user didn't fill in an e-mail address, you can't reply to this mail.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: leons1_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.sellers/293.297.299/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am sooo confused Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: SELLERS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.sellers/2323/mb.ashx Message Board Post: SELLERS Barbara 1963-1981 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,884 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
I downloaded the census page in PDF format via HeritageQuest and sent it to your email showing Sampson Sellars on the 1810 Census in Chappell, Montgomery County, North Carolina. Let me know if you have any problems opening the attachment and/or viewing it. Michael --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [SELLERS] Sampson Sellers To: sellers@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 8:06 PM I can't find that on Ancestry.com 1810 Census records. Where did you see the 1810 record? ________________________________ From: Michael Sellers <muckham11@yahoo.com> To: sellers@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:45:38 PM Subject: Re: [SELLERS] Sampson Sellers Carol, I don't connect in any way to this Sellers family or lineage, however, a "Sampson Sellars" (with an 'a') appears and is listed on the 1810 Census for Montgomery County, NC. As you know, Montgomery County borders Richmond County to the north. It's quite possible that your "Sampson Sellers" in Richmond Co. in 1800 is the "Sampson Sellars" in bordering Montgomery Co. in 1810. Might be worth a look. Hope that helps. Michael Sellers --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [SELLERS] Sampson Sellers To: sellers@rootsweb.com, "Jack Sellers" <Jack.Sellers9@gmail.com>, mari@netins.net Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 7:33 PM Have you considered Sampson Sellers as the father of the Gurley brothers? He had 3 sons in 1790 under 16 in Johnston County who did not go to Richmond County. He had 2 sons in 1800 in Richmond Co. under 10. He is over 45 in 1800 He disappears from Richmond County after that and never appears anywhere else in U.S. Where did those two boys go? There are NO Sellers in Richmond County that I could find through ancestry census records in 1820 or 1830. This Sampson had more than 600 acres in the Johnston County area (according to 1784 tax roll) in Capt. John Bryan's Company District. There is no record of a deed from him to anyone in Abstracts of Deeds 1759-1825, Kinfolks of Johnston County by Ross and Wood. There is another Sampson Sellers with 3 M under 16 in 1790 already in Richmond County ( and 2 girls in addition to wife); in 1800 he has 1 M under 10, 2 10-15, 2 F 16-25, 1 F 26-44. He also disappears after that. It is difficult to tell if this is a father and son or cousins...not likely that brothers would have the same name. The Sampson and Benjamin who first appear in North Carolina may be father and son (which one genealogist from N.C. believes), and the Sampson in Richmond County could be son of Sampson in Johnston Co and brother to Benjamin who went further along the Green Path when the group came to North Carolina from ???. Does anyone know of any Sellers in Richmond County from 1810 to 1840? Or groups of young boys who appear in neighboring Counties during those years?? In all events, both these Sampsons (whichever is the older) have a bunch of boys in the range of births in the 1780-1800's. There could be boys after that, but nobody appears in a Census record. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42RoseHill Surnames: SELLERS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.sellers/2322/mb.ashx Message Board Post: SELLERS Ollie A 1893-1966 I photographed this gravestone in the (Shannon) Rose Hill Cemetery, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,884 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here,instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
I can't find that on Ancestry.com 1810 Census records. Where did you see the 1810 record? ________________________________ From: Michael Sellers <muckham11@yahoo.com> To: sellers@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 4:45:38 PM Subject: Re: [SELLERS] Sampson Sellers Carol, I don't connect in any way to this Sellers family or lineage, however, a "Sampson Sellars" (with an 'a') appears and is listed on the 1810 Census for Montgomery County, NC. As you know, Montgomery County borders Richmond County to the north. It's quite possible that your "Sampson Sellers" in Richmond Co. in 1800 is the "Sampson Sellars" in bordering Montgomery Co. in 1810. Might be worth a look. Hope that helps. Michael Sellers --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [SELLERS] Sampson Sellers To: sellers@rootsweb.com, "Jack Sellers" <Jack.Sellers9@gmail.com>, mari@netins.net Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 7:33 PM Have you considered Sampson Sellers as the father of the Gurley brothers? He had 3 sons in 1790 under 16 in Johnston County who did not go to Richmond County. He had 2 sons in 1800 in Richmond Co. under 10. He is over 45 in 1800 He disappears from Richmond County after that and never appears anywhere else in U.S. Where did those two boys go? There are NO Sellers in Richmond County that I could find through ancestry census records in 1820 or 1830. This Sampson had more than 600 acres in the Johnston County area (according to 1784 tax roll) in Capt. John Bryan's Company District. There is no record of a deed from him to anyone in Abstracts of Deeds 1759-1825, Kinfolks of Johnston County by Ross and Wood. There is another Sampson Sellers with 3 M under 16 in 1790 already in Richmond County ( and 2 girls in addition to wife); in 1800 he has 1 M under 10, 2 10-15, 2 F 16-25, 1 F 26-44. He also disappears after that. It is difficult to tell if this is a father and son or cousins...not likely that brothers would have the same name. The Sampson and Benjamin who first appear in North Carolina may be father and son (which one genealogist from N.C. believes), and the Sampson in Richmond County could be son of Sampson in Johnston Co and brother to Benjamin who went further along the Green Path when the group came to North Carolina from ???. Does anyone know of any Sellers in Richmond County from 1810 to 1840? Or groups of young boys who appear in neighboring Counties during those years?? In all events, both these Sampsons (whichever is the older) have a bunch of boys in the range of births in the 1780-1800's. There could be boys after that, but nobody appears in a Census record. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Carol, I don't connect in any way to this Sellers family or lineage, however, a "Sampson Sellars" (with an 'a') appears and is listed on the 1810 Census for Montgomery County, NC. As you know, Montgomery County borders Richmond County to the north. It's quite possible that your "Sampson Sellers" in Richmond Co. in 1800 is the "Sampson Sellars" in bordering Montgomery Co. in 1810. Might be worth a look. Hope that helps. Michael Sellers --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [SELLERS] Sampson Sellers To: sellers@rootsweb.com, "Jack Sellers" <Jack.Sellers9@gmail.com>, mari@netins.net Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 7:33 PM Have you considered Sampson Sellers as the father of the Gurley brothers? He had 3 sons in 1790 under 16 in Johnston County who did not go to Richmond County. He had 2 sons in 1800 in Richmond Co. under 10. He is over 45 in 1800 He disappears from Richmond County after that and never appears anywhere else in U.S. Where did those two boys go? There are NO Sellers in Richmond County that I could find through ancestry census records in 1820 or 1830. This Sampson had more than 600 acres in the Johnston County area (according to 1784 tax roll) in Capt. John Bryan's Company District. There is no record of a deed from him to anyone in Abstracts of Deeds 1759-1825, Kinfolks of Johnston County by Ross and Wood. There is another Sampson Sellers with 3 M under 16 in 1790 already in Richmond County ( and 2 girls in addition to wife); in 1800 he has 1 M under 10, 2 10-15, 2 F 16-25, 1 F 26-44. He also disappears after that. It is difficult to tell if this is a father and son or cousins...not likely that brothers would have the same name. The Sampson and Benjamin who first appear in North Carolina may be father and son (which one genealogist from N.C. believes), and the Sampson in Richmond County could be son of Sampson in Johnston Co and brother to Benjamin who went further along the Green Path when the group came to North Carolina from ???. Does anyone know of any Sellers in Richmond County from 1810 to 1840? Or groups of young boys who appear in neighboring Counties during those years?? In all events, both these Sampsons (whichever is the older) have a bunch of boys in the range of births in the 1780-1800's. There could be boys after that, but nobody appears in a Census record. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Have you considered Sampson Sellers as the father of the Gurley brothers? He had 3 sons in 1790 under 16 in Johnston County who did not go to Richmond County. He had 2 sons in 1800 in Richmond Co. under 10. He is over 45 in 1800 He disappears from Richmond County after that and never appears anywhere else in U.S. Where did those two boys go? There are NO Sellers in Richmond County that I could find through ancestry census records in 1820 or 1830. This Sampson had more than 600 acres in the Johnston County area (according to 1784 tax roll) in Capt. John Bryan's Company District. There is no record of a deed from him to anyone in Abstracts of Deeds 1759-1825, Kinfolks of Johnston County by Ross and Wood. There is another Sampson Sellers with 3 M under 16 in 1790 already in Richmond County ( and 2 girls in addition to wife); in 1800 he has 1 M under 10, 2 10-15, 2 F 16-25, 1 F 26-44. He also disappears after that. It is difficult to tell if this is a father and son or cousins...not likely that brothers would have the same name. The Sampson and Benjamin who first appear in North Carolina may be father and son (which one genealogist from N.C. believes), and the Sampson in Richmond County could be son of Sampson in Johnston Co and brother to Benjamin who went further along the Green Path when the group came to North Carolina from ???. Does anyone know of any Sellers in Richmond County from 1810 to 1840? Or groups of young boys who appear in neighboring Counties during those years?? In all events, both these Sampsons (whichever is the older) have a bunch of boys in the range of births in the 1780-1800's. There could be boys after that, but nobody appears in a Census record.
I wish all of them were grouped together that matches either one or two markers. Carole in SC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Herbert" <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net> To: "marie sellers hollinger" <mari@netins.net>; "Jack Sellers" <Jack.Sellers9@gmail.com>; <sellers@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [SELLERS] DNA testing The way I broadly interpret our DNA results as they apply to the Sellers lines I have worked trying to find the origins of Johnston County, North Carolina, Sellers: The kits that group together within 1 or 2 markers (usually the ones that commonly mutate): 66525, Matthew 1800 Kentucky 29690 Jordan 1763 N.C. Benjamin 1740, Matthew 27033 James Jr. d. AL, James Sr, 1744 N.C. Where in N.C.? 19464 same 124024 Matthew 1760 Brunswick, N.C. 81503 Benjamin Edgecomb N.C. what year? Next group are basically one marker removed from above 14438 George 1815 AL, Young 1789? David 1760 N.C. Where in N.C.? Chatham? 14803 Young 1789 Chatham, N.C. David 1760 Orange N.C. 23989 Young 1789 d. AL b. N.C. Chatham 123528 Isaac 1800 N.C. 26552 Robert 1765 N.C. Where in N.C. ? Burke/Chatham? 34253 2nd cousin to 14438 41098 Laird b. 1771 N.C. Where in N.C.? Chatham or Brunswick or? 36092 William b. 1816 son of Isaac N.C. Where in N.C. Chatham or? Following groups differ from above and each other by at least three or four markers in 12 N56122 Joseph, son William 1820 m. Mary Sherrad Nash N.C. 32883 George Sr 1780 PA 42758 Johannes 1735 Germany Above 2 are 1 Marker (in 12), 3 in 67 removed from Jack and my group which follows N12156 Gurley 1802 Nash N.C. 14454 same 147407 Emmanuel 1795 Nash N.C. 121039 Alsey 1825 Johnston N.C. 145327 Daniel 1828 Johnston N.C. There are other groups that can be grouped in the way I have done above. They are not applicable to my current research, so I am stopping here. The above leads me to conclude as I said in an earlier e-mail, Marie and Jack, that as to Gurley and brothers and Daniel and Alsey, that we can exclude the Chatham/Burke/Brunswick group. Are the Nash County Arthur, John, William the same as the Brunswick group? At least one genealogist (the one who did the Nash County research thinks so). I had come to the same conclusion from land research because of Edgecomb being divided into Nash in 1777 that this group related to William through son John (rather than Matthew) father of William and George (Isle of Wight, then Edgecomb for George m. Faithey Gurley. Do we have ANY DNA that relates to these? If it is correct that Arthur, John, and William relate to George of Edgecomb, son of William, Jack and I have to exclude them on basis of DNA. Right, Jack? ________________________________ From: marie sellers hollinger <mari@netins.net> To: Jack Sellers <Jack.Sellers9@Gmail.com>; Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net>; sellers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:33:43 PM Subject: RE: DNA testing AMEN, we need better ancestor charts with PROVEN links, instead of assumed. And we need a few to SEND their charts. Oldest proven is fine, add assumed afterwards. But, the dna tests are helping confirm the lineage. The ones that are pretty well proven to Benj 1740 and 1720 are proven to MATHEW SELLERS bef 1700. But, we have at least a 100 yr gap between WM SELLERS and his son JOHN . But, in same area. Kinda would like more land/county records in this area. These VA counties changed to Northern Carolina and we must follow all these counties. Glad to have what we have and Thanks to all for sharing our families. WE have too many diff dna tests to connect to old WM. So we have diff lines of SELLERS here. We must find their links. Just had to drop in here for a second. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sellers [mailto:Jack.Sellers9@Gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:04 PM To: Carol Herbert; mari@netins.net Subject: Re: DNA testing I don't think anyone has proven DNA that traces back to the original William. There are several that claim proof back to Benjamin. These are kit 19464 and kit 27033 that are exact but different from my results. It would be helpful if everyone had a cleaner or clearer chart that goes back to their earliest ancestor with name, place and dates. Thanks Jack At 05:52 PM 7/21/2009, Carol Herbert wrote: >Are we clear from DNA testing as well genealogist research that the >Nash County Arthur, John, William who are in the 1790 and 1800 Nash >County Census are related to the original William (b. abt 1650), >probably through his son John, but possibly through Matthew? > >Is this also true from the DNA of James Jr and James Sr of Chatham? > >And Robert Jr. Sr. of Burke through Thomas? > >And we (Gurley, Alsey, Daniel) are different from both of the above? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SELLERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.23/2254 - Release Date: 07/22/09 05:59:00
The way I broadly interpret our DNA results as they apply to the Sellers lines I have worked trying to find the origins of Johnston County, North Carolina, Sellers: The kits that group together within 1 or 2 markers (usually the ones that commonly mutate): 66525, Matthew 1800 Kentucky 29690 Jordan 1763 N.C. Benjamin 1740, Matthew 27033 James Jr. d. AL, James Sr, 1744 N.C. Where in N.C.? 19464 same 124024 Matthew 1760 Brunswick, N.C. 81503 Benjamin Edgecomb N.C. what year? Next group are basically one marker removed from above 14438 George 1815 AL, Young 1789? David 1760 N.C. Where in N.C.? Chatham? 14803 Young 1789 Chatham, N.C. David 1760 Orange N.C. 23989 Young 1789 d. AL b. N.C. Chatham 123528 Isaac 1800 N.C. 26552 Robert 1765 N.C. Where in N.C. ? Burke/Chatham? 34253 2nd cousin to 14438 41098 Laird b. 1771 N.C. Where in N.C.? Chatham or Brunswick or? 36092 William b. 1816 son of Isaac N.C. Where in N.C. Chatham or? Following groups differ from above and each other by at least three or four markers in 12 N56122 Joseph, son William 1820 m. Mary Sherrad Nash N.C. 32883 George Sr 1780 PA 42758 Johannes 1735 Germany Above 2 are 1 Marker (in 12), 3 in 67 removed from Jack and my group which follows N12156 Gurley 1802 Nash N.C. 14454 same 147407 Emmanuel 1795 Nash N.C. 121039 Alsey 1825 Johnston N.C. 145327 Daniel 1828 Johnston N.C. There are other groups that can be grouped in the way I have done above. They are not applicable to my current research, so I am stopping here. The above leads me to conclude as I said in an earlier e-mail, Marie and Jack, that as to Gurley and brothers and Daniel and Alsey, that we can exclude the Chatham/Burke/Brunswick group. Are the Nash County Arthur, John, William the same as the Brunswick group? At least one genealogist (the one who did the Nash County research thinks so). I had come to the same conclusion from land research because of Edgecomb being divided into Nash in 1777 that this group related to William through son John (rather than Matthew) father of William and George (Isle of Wight, then Edgecomb for George m. Faithey Gurley. Do we have ANY DNA that relates to these? If it is correct that Arthur, John, and William relate to George of Edgecomb, son of William, Jack and I have to exclude them on basis of DNA. Right, Jack? ________________________________ From: marie sellers hollinger <mari@netins.net> To: Jack Sellers <Jack.Sellers9@Gmail.com>; Carol Herbert <carolherbert@sbcglobal.net>; sellers@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:33:43 PM Subject: RE: DNA testing AMEN, we need better ancestor charts with PROVEN links, instead of assumed. And we need a few to SEND their charts. Oldest proven is fine, add assumed afterwards. But, the dna tests are helping confirm the lineage. The ones that are pretty well proven to Benj 1740 and 1720 are proven to MATHEW SELLERS bef 1700. But, we have at least a 100 yr gap between WM SELLERS and his son JOHN . But, in same area. Kinda would like more land/county records in this area. These VA counties changed to Northern Carolina and we must follow all these counties. Glad to have what we have and Thanks to all for sharing our families. WE have too many diff dna tests to connect to old WM. So we have diff lines of SELLERS here. We must find their links. Just had to drop in here for a second. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sellers [mailto:Jack.Sellers9@Gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:04 PM To: Carol Herbert; mari@netins.net Subject: Re: DNA testing I don't think anyone has proven DNA that traces back to the original William. There are several that claim proof back to Benjamin. These are kit 19464 and kit 27033 that are exact but different from my results. It would be helpful if everyone had a cleaner or clearer chart that goes back to their earliest ancestor with name, place and dates. Thanks Jack At 05:52 PM 7/21/2009, Carol Herbert wrote: >Are we clear from DNA testing as well genealogist research that the >Nash County Arthur, John, William who are in the 1790 and 1800 Nash >County Census are related to the original William (b. abt 1650), >probably through his son John, but possibly through Matthew? > >Is this also true from the DNA of James Jr and James Sr of Chatham? > >And Robert Jr. Sr. of Burke through Thomas? > >And we (Gurley, Alsey, Daniel) are different from both of the above?
AMEN, we need better ancestor charts with PROVEN links, instead of assumed. And we need a few to SEND their charts. Oldest proven is fine, add assumed afterwards. But, the dna tests are helping confirm the lineage. The ones that are pretty well proven to Benj 1740 and 1720 are proven to MATHEW SELLERS bef 1700. But, we have at least a 100 yr gap between WM SELLERS and his son JOHN . But, in same area. Kinda would like more land/county records in this area. These VA counties changed to Northern Carolina and we must follow all these counties. Glad to have what we have and Thanks to all for sharing our families. WE have too many diff dna tests to connect to old WM. So we have diff lines of SELLERS here. We must find their links. Just had to drop in here for a second. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Jack Sellers [mailto:Jack.Sellers9@Gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:04 PM To: Carol Herbert; mari@netins.net Subject: Re: DNA testing I don't think anyone has proven DNA that traces back to the original William. There are several that claim proof back to Benjamin. These are kit 19464 and kit 27033 that are exact but different from my results. It would be helpful if everyone had a cleaner or clearer chart that goes back to their earliest ancestor with name, place and dates. Thanks Jack At 05:52 PM 7/21/2009, Carol Herbert wrote: >Are we clear from DNA testing as well genealogist research that the >Nash County Arthur, John, William who are in the 1790 and 1800 Nash >County Census are related to the original William (b. abt 1650), >probably through his son John, but possibly through Matthew? > >Is this also true from the DNA of James Jr and James Sr of Chatham? > >And Robert Jr. Sr. of Burke through Thomas? > >And we (Gurley, Alsey, Daniel) are different from both of the above?
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42MountOlivet Surnames: SELLERS Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.sellers/2321/mb.ashx Message Board Post: SELLERS Irene 1910-1983 I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use this picture for your personal records. This is one of the 204,884 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com . If you know more about this person please reply here instead of contacting me because this is most likely not my family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
-----Original Message----- From: Carol Herbert [mailto:carolherbert@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 3:50 PM To: mari@netins.net; Jack Sellers Cc: Katherine Kyle; paul kyle Subject: John Sellers of Johnston County, N.C. This John Sellers is to be distinguished from John Sellers of Nash County with wife Cloey, who appears in Nash County 1800 Census as M over 45, and from Sampson County John Sellers with wife Ann who appear consistently in 1820, 1830, 1840 Sampson County Censuses. This John first appears in the North Carolina Muster Rolls of Soldiers in the Second Regiment, Eighth Company, detached from the Johnston Didtrict, along with Benjamin Sellers. He appears in the Johnston County tax lists, paying 1 poll tax: 1816 Capt. John Crawfors District, 1817 (along with Benjamin Sellers) Capt. Daniel Boons District, 1818 Capt. John Crawfords District. He does not appear in a Census until the Johnston County 1830 Census: 1 M 40-50 with no wife or children. He appears in the 1840 Johnston County Census, but the information is not readable. I speculate that he is a brother or cousin of Benjamin Sellers, apparently about the same age, who never marries. It is possible that he is one of the Sampson Sellers' boys who are born in Johnston County and do not appear in Richmond County where Sampson moves with younger children. Thus, he would be Benjamin's cousin. Since he apparently had no children, there is no one to trace his heritage.
CAROL, thanks, many good ideas. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Carol Herbert [mailto:carolherbert@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:41 PM To: mari@netins.net; Jack Sellers Cc: Katherine Kyle; paul kyle Subject: Cuzzy/Cassa/Maria Sellers of Johnston County I am dealing only with Johnston County, North Carolina, Census records and speculation about the relationship of these women who appear as heads of households with the men that I have identified and described in earlier communications. Cuzzy/Cassa Sellers I believe that these names designate the same woman: 1810 "Cuzzy" 1820 "Cassa" 1830 "Cuzzy"? Whose husband could Cuzzy have been? 1. Benjamin Sellers (1) dies or disappears between 1784 and 1790. He does not reappear in any other location. Therefore, Cuzzy could be his wife. 2. Sampson Sellers moves from Johnston County to Richmond County, North Carolina, with his wife and younger children. Cuzzy could not have been his wife. 3. James (1) is married to Faithey and he appears in the 1810 Johnston County Census with his wife and children, the first census that Cuzzy appears in as head of household. Cuzzy could not have been his wife. 4. George Sellers (b. before 1778) appears in tax lists, paying a poll tax between 1802 and 1805. He appears in land transactions in Johnston County in 1798 and 1803. He appears in no other records, census, marriage, military, etc. A George Sellers appears in the 1810 Cumberland County Census with a wife and young child. It is unlikely, but possible for George to have his first child at age 35 and live with a wife in the 26-45 year range. This George is too probably too young to be the Johnston County George. Therefore, it is possible, but unlikely that Cuzzy is the wife of George. 5. John Sellers is in the census as a single male in 1830 and 1840. There is no reason to believe that he evr married. Cuzzy could not have been his wife, Therefore, I conclude that Cuzzy is the wife of Benjamin (1). In 1784, she would have been one of the 7 females in Benjamin's household. NO SELLERS APPEAR IN THE 1800 CENSUS although land and tax records establish that the Sellers men were in the County shortly before and shortly after 1800. Therefore, the fact that Cuzzy is not in the 1800 Census is no way indication that she was not in Johnston County during this period. In the 1810 Census Cuzzy appears as head of household (F over 45) with a M and F, both born between 1784-1794, and 2 girls under 10. This M fits the age of Benjamin(2) exactly. He does not appear as born in 1784 Census with Benjamin (1) and Cuzzy, as he would have been born shortly thereafter, but his age is clearly established as between 1780-90 in later Census records. So Cuzzy is living with her son Benjamin(2) (in her house) and his wife and two daughters. In the 1820 Census Cassa (in the same district of Johnston County) F over 45, appears with 1 F 26-45 and 2 F 16-26. Are these Benjamin's wife and two daughters now ten years older? Benjamin does not appear in the 1820 Census, although he is clearly in Johnston County according toland transactions and tax lists. It would be likely that his wife and children would still be living in his mother's household, even though he is not counted in the census. Benjamin marries Sally Taylor in August of 1820. Is this simply the legal union with a common law wife or a second wife? In the 1830 Census Benjamin's wife was born between 1790 and 1800. This means Sally Taylor could have been the common law wife in 1810, b. 1790 with two girls under 10. Or she could be a second wife, born as late as 1800, married in 1820 and having her first children after 1820. The older two girls (b. 1800-10) are not living with Benjamin and Sally in 1830. Are their marriages in Johnston County between 1820 and 1830? There is at least one: Polly Sellers married Warren Collins 26 March 1822, with Samuel Strickland as bondsman. North Carolina Marriage Bonds need to be checked to see if there are marriage bonds recorded that do not appear in the "Marriages of Johnston County, North Carolina 1762-1868" since that volume omits some records of the period. In the 1830 Census, Cuzzy appears for the last time. However, her age is clearly not recorded properly. Her mark is in the 30-40 age range. So the original Cuzzy is either dead and someone else is known by the same name or the Census taker mismarked the age. I am assuming the Census taker mismarked the age since the household is in the same area of the County and the name is consistent. In addition to mismarked Cuzzy, there is a F 20-30 and 2 M under 5. Who is this younger female with the two young boys? Are the boys grandsons of Cuzzy? If so, their father must be Benjamin because he appears to be her only son. If this younger female is a daughter or granddaughter who has the boys, they will not have Sellers Surnames or ceratinly not Sellers YDNA. The other possibility is that they are sons of James (2) and grandnephews instead of Grandsons. That depends on what happened to James (2). Did he immigate to Tennessee or somewhere else? He does not appear in the Census or tax records after 1820. Maria Sellers In the 1840 Census, Maria Sellers appears in a household with an older F 50-60, F 30-40, and 2 M 10-15. I believe Maria is the F 30-40 because a Mortality record in the 1850 Census shows "Moriah" a widow,dying at age 45 of a "nervous fever" she had for 13 days. If she is a widow, who was her husband? She is not the F in Cuzzy's household in 1810 or 1820. She may be the younger F in 1830 and then head of the household in 1840. The older woman in the household now may be "Faithey" wife of James (1), mother of James (2) because Faithey appears in a Sellers household with three young Sellers 2 M 22 and 24 and 1 F 23 apparently not a wife of either (a sister or cousin?). What we do know about this household of women is that it is closely associated with the households of Benjamin and James. Onee of the questions this 1840 Census raises is the identity of Maria's husband, because he may be the father of two of the males in the 1850 Census who are related in Sellers DNA, Daniel Sellers and Alsey Sellers. We will now examine the relationships I have drawn between and among the Johnston County North Carolina Sellers who appear in records from 1778-1840. Then, we will look at the 1850 Census and records thereafter.
CAROL, will forward on to SELLERS GROUP for help, ideas. Thanks for sharing ideas. It will help ALL working in this area and hopefully get others ideas also. I am sorry I don't have time to delve into this right now, but, will save and study, and add to your info. Thank you. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Carol Herbert [mailto:carolherbert@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 12:54 PM To: mari@netins.net; Jack Sellers Cc: Katherine Kyle; paul kyle Subject: Bejamin Sellers of Johnston County Benjamin Sellers (1) Benjamin Sellers (1) of Johnston County, North Carolina, is to be distinguished from the two Bejamin Sellers of Chowan, Bertie, Edgecomb, and Northampton Counties in North Carolina who are descendants of the Virginia immigrant William Sellers. Benjamin Sellers of Johnston County received by land grant from the Sate of North Carolina 150 acres in 1782 and 200 acres in 1778. He sold the 150 acres in 1784 to Brian Medlin and the 200 acres in 1782 to John Whitley. He was probably born circa 1750-1760. He served in the Revolutionary War. He and Sampson are listed in the Militia from Johnston County in 1784. He is on the first Johnston County Census and tax list, dated 1784-87. In his household are 1 M 21-60 (1724-66) and 7 Females. He may have sold this land earlier to support this family. He is not recorded as paying any taxes or owning land on the 1784 tax list. Benjamin (1) appears in no more census records, tax lists, or land transactions that I have found. Although his wife is not mentioned in any of the land transactions, "Cuzzy" Sellers appears as head of a household in 1810 Johnston County, Assuming she was the approximate age of Benjamin, she would have been born 1750-1760, therefore being over 45 in 1810. Cuzzy's household shows 1 F over 45 (b. before 1755), 1 F 26-45(b. 1784-1794, 2 F under 10(b. 1800-1810), and 1 M 16-26 (b. 1784-1794). This appears to be Benjamin's(1) wife, a son born between 1784 and 1794, a daughter or daughter-in-law born between 1784 and 1794 and her two daughters. This is probably a son and his wife and their two daughters, Cuzzy's granddaughters. One of the reasons I assume Cuzzy is Benjamin's wife is that all the other Sellers who have appeared in Johnston County have either identified wives or they have moved to other areas of the state with a wife. The only exception to that may be George Sellers, if the Johnston County George is not the George in Cumberland County in 1810 with a wife. Benjamin Sellers (2) Benjamin (2) appears by name in Johnston County in the Johnston County North Carolina Militia in the War of 1812, along with John Sellers, Second Regiment, Eighth Company, detached from the Johnston Regiment.. He married Sally Taylor 5 August 1820 with Adin Powell as bondsman. George Sellers paid poll tax in Capt. Adin Powells District during the years 1802-1805. Benjamin(2) does not appear in the 1820 Census. However, he is in the 1830 Johnston County Census: 1 M 40-50 (b. 1780-1790) dates that are consistent with Benjamin (2), 1M under 5 (b. 1825-1830), 1 F 30-40 (Sally, b. 1790-1800), 2 F 5-10 (b. 1820-1825), 2 F under 5 (b. 1825-1830). Benjamin(2) is also in the 1840 Census: 1 M 50-60 (b. 1780-1790), 1 M. 10-15 (1825-1830), 1 M under 5- 10 (b. 1830-35), 2 M under 5 (b. 1835-1840), 1 F 40-50 (Sally b. 1790-1800), 2 F 10-15 (1825-1830), 2 F 5-10 (b. 1830-1835), 1 F under 5 (b. 1835-1840). The two females shown in the 1830 Census b. 1820-25 are no longer in the household. Are their marriages in Johnston County for two Sellers' girls between 1835-1840? Benjamin (2) appears in the following Johnston County Tax lists: Capt Alfred Whitley's District 1813, Capt. William H. Guys District 1816, in Capt. Daniel Boons District in 1817, 1818, Capt. William Braddys District in 1819. Benjamin(2) witnesses two deeds from Powell's to Stephens in 1820, and in 1823 he witnessed an estate transaction by William Pilkinton in the Estate of Joseph Edwards.He is clearly in Johnston County during these years even though he does not appear in the 1820 Census. He appears in no more Census records or tax lists that I have seen after 1840. There are only two appearances of Benjamin(2) in Johnston County records after 1840: 1. 16 May 1855 Richard W. Sellers marries Elizabeth Hedgepeth at Benjamin Sellers's, performed by William H. Sellers J.P. 2. Mortality Record August, 1870: Benjamin Sellers dies in Selma, North Carolina (where Daniel and Alsey live in 1870) , b. "ca 1780," 90 years old, WM, cancer. >From the above, I conclude that Benjamin is the son of Cuzzy (appearing in her household before he joins the Milita) who is the Wife probably of Benjamin (1) or possibly of George Sellers. I also conclude on the basis of dates and physical proximity that Benjamin and George are brothers, sons of Benjamin (1). I will tie this together in my analysis of relationships after a close examination of Cuzzy's huosehold from her first appearance in the Census records in 1810.
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CAROL, thanks. I believe, from memory only,we need some 1812 NC war files? anyone have them? Some show bounty land grants to them and may connect to land that we do have some records. These counties are where some of early SELLERS were born. Don't know if we just don't have enough land, etc documents or what. These counties were the SAME LAND at one time. But, it is kinda hard to follow some deeds description. But, believe we need to trace these land deeds also. Do these descriptions tie into any mother county CRAVEN CO, NC? OR counties we lay next to which were made from CRAVEN CO, NC also?? Sampson, New Hanover, Duplin?? Thanks for staying in here and giving help. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Carol Herbert [mailto:carolherbert@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:29 PM To: mari@netins.net; Jack Sellers Cc: Katherine Kyle; paul kyle Subject: James Sellers: Nash and Johnston Counties James Sellers (1) I believe that the James Sellers in Johnston County and the one in Nash County are the same person. The first mention of James Sellers is in Nash County Court Minutes: August 1791 the Court orders that Catherin, the orphan of John West, be bound to James until she is 18. She is 11 (b.1780) James Sellers and his wife Faithfull are ordered to Court in May of 1792 in reference to the orphan. Assuming they are both at least 21 by 1791, they would have been born before 1770. In 1798 by deed in Nash County and confirmed by the Court in 1799, James Sellers and wife Fatha sell property that was Fatha's dower from her deceased husband John West. James is in the 1800 Nash County Census: 1 M 26-45 (1755-1774), 1 M under 10 (1790-1800), 1 F over 45 (before 1755; this is probably an error and should have been 26-45 to be consistent with 1810 and 1850 data about Faithey), 1 F 10-16 (1784-1790), 1 F under 10 (1790-1800). James is in the 1810 Johnston County Census: 1 M 26-45 (1765-1784), 1M under 10 (1800-1810), 1 F 26-45 (1765-1784), 1 F under 10 (1800-1810), 1 F 10-16 (1794-1800), 1 F 16-26 ( 1784-1794). These children are consistent with the Nash County children: the young male in 1800 is no longer in the household. It seems necessary to point out here that living near James in Johnston County in the 1810 Census is a household headed by a female, Cuzzy/Cassa. In her household, there is a M 16-26 (1784-1794), 1 F over 45 (before 1765), 1 F 26-45(1784-1794) 2 F under 10 (1800-1810). Who was Cuzzy's husband ? That will be discussed under her name later. It seems likely that these two households had some close relationship although that relationship is not a matter of record that I can find. I speculate that the M 16-26 (1784-1794) in Cuzzy's household is the Benjamin who will be discussed later. James Sellers appears in no land transactions in Johnston County. However, he appears in one tax list of Johnston County: 1803 in Captain Irwin Pierce Company District. I speculate that he died sometime after 1810 and before 1820, and that Faithey remained in Johnston County where she appears in the 1850 Census at the age of 75 living with three young single Sellers, William, Daniel, and Martha. James Sellers (2) This young man appears in one Johnston County Census: 1820 1 M 18-26, 1 M under 10, 1 F 16-26. There is a Johnston County North Carolina Marriage Record: James Sellers married Elizabeth Collins 13 Aug. 1819. Young James and Elizabeth apparently left North Carolina before the 1830 Census. I believe I have seen a record of them in Tennessee on the Sellers site. Is that correct? Is there any chance that they went to the same area as Jordan or Gurley or Emanuel? I believe that James Sellers (2) is the Son of James Sellers (1) who is the M under 10 living with him in 1810 Johnston County Census.
CAROL, sending thro SELLERS group for help and ideas. good idea. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Carol Herbert [mailto:carolherbert@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:33 PM To: mari@netins.net Cc: Katherine Kyle; paul kyle Subject: Sampson Sellers, George Sellers in Johnston County, N>C> In my attempt to establish the parentage of Daniel Sellers, born in 1828 in Johnston County, North Carolina, and appearing in the Johnston County 1850 Census with William H. b. 1826, Martha b. 1827, and Faithey, b. 1775, I will examine each of the Sellers who appears in Census, land records, and tax lists in Johnston County, North Carolina before 1850. Sampson Sellers The first mention of a Sampson Sellers in North Carolina is as chain carrier on a survey crew in Orange County (just to the east and North of Johnston County) in 1760. He buys property in Johnston County in 1781. In the 1784-87 Johnston County tax list Sampson appears, age 21-60, with 2 boys under 21 and 1 female. He has 640 acres of land. In the 1790 Johnston County Census he appears, age over 16, with three boys under 16 and 1 female. A Sampson also appears in the 1790 Richmond County Census, age over 16, 3 boys under 16, and 3 females. There are no Sellers in the 1800 Johnston County Census, However, there are two Sampson Sellers in 1800 Richmond County. Sampson (1) age over 45(b. before 1755), with 2 boys under 10, and 1 female over 45. Sampson (2) age over 45(b. before 1755), 1 boy under 10, 2 boys, 10-15, 2 females 26-44, and 1 female over 45. Sampson appears in no more land records, tax lists or census records in Johnston County. I conclude that he went to Richmond County. The only chance that he is related to my Daniel is if his boys stayed in Johnston County (he has only 2 boys under 10 ten years later indicating that the older boys did not go to Richmond County with him, assuming he is Sampson (1) since the females seem to belong to the Richmond County 1790, 1800 Sampson (2). If Sampson's three boys stayed in Johnston County, they would appear as males born between 1774 and 1789. Does anyone know where Sampson may have come from? Is anyone in our group descended from him? George Sellers George Sellers appears in no census records in Johnston County, North Carolina. However, he witnessed a deed in Johnston County in 1798. He would have been at least 21. Therefore, he was born before 1778. He bought property from an estate in 1803 in Johnston County.. He appears in the following Johnston County tax lists, paying only a poll tax (meaning he is over 21 and under 50). 1802,1803, 1804, 1805. He is in Capt. Adin Powells District all four years.If he is under 50 in 1805, he could not have been born before 1755. So his birthdate range is 1755 to 1778. Depending in which part of the range his birth falls, he could be a brother or son of Sampson. He does not appear in any further Johnston County records. A George Sellers is in the Cumberland County 1810 Census: 1 M 26-45 (1765-1784), 1 F 26-45, 1 F under 10. He is in no Cumberland County Census's before or after that. His birth range would fit the Johnston County George and it would be more likely that he was a son rather than a brother of Sampson...assuming they are closely related. A George Sellers is in South Carolina, St Matthews Parish in Orangeburg, South Carolina in 1820 and 1840: 1820: 1 M 26-45, 1 F 26-45. 1840: 1 M 30-40, 1 M 40-50, 1 F 10-15, 1 F 30-40, 1 F 50-60. Apparently a younger couple with one daughter is living with George and his wife in 1840. Did the Johnston County George (whoever his father was) move from Johnston County to Cumberland County to Orangeburg,South Carolina? This Orangeberg George may have been too young to be the Johnston County George: 1820: 1775-1794, 1840: 1790-1800. There is another family of Sellers in Orangeberg during this early period, headed by a David Sellers. On the Sellers site (sellers-sellars-zellers-etc) there is posted "Muster Rolls of the War of 1812." There is a George Sellers on the Muster Rolls from Lincoln County. However, I can't find him in any War of 1812 records on ancestry or rootsweb. Lincoln is west of Cumberland and closer to South Carolina. If the George in Cumberland County is the same George as the one in Johnston County, he could not be the parent or grandparent of Daniel. However, if he is not, he may be the absent male in the household of "Cuzzy/Casa" whom I will examine later. Does anyone have any information about this George that I have missed? I will post information about Johnston County James, Benjamin and Cuzzy/Cassa later.