My husband is willing to participate. Betty Sellers

CAROLE, thanks. This is the way I understand it. When we receive our kit and number, there is a release form in there also, which we need to sign if we want to share the chart they make for us. When they receive the kit and signed form back, they give them a password, which I thought was the kit number? The SELLERS GROUP ADM (me right now) has a diff password just for the member info and can NOT be shared. NOW, when we return our kit, we should get a password for my brother and perhaps that will do what you are discussing down below? DOES that help? The Legal and PRIVACY pages under FAQ explains better than me. I will check into how some of the other SURNAME pages do theirs. WHAT does your group have? marie, iowa Your unique locator number will accompany your collection tube to the testing lab. The computer-generated number and your Surname, i.e. Smith, Glennon, Rothschild is the only information about you that the testing facility will see. Once your test has been completed, the results of the Y-DNA or MtDNA (Mitochrondrial DNA is from the female side) will be entered in a secure database. A comparison between your specific genetic markers and those of others in the database will then be performed. If a genetic match is found between you and another person when you have ordered, paid for, and submitted both (or multiple) samples (you and a theoretical relative) you will be informed via email. If a genetic match is found between you and another individual who enters the library at some time in the future, both will be given the information that a potential match is in the database provided that BOTH of you have signed the Release Form. Only if both parties agree will contact information concerning the separate parties be made available to the other party. In this way, all persons in the database will have the right to decide if they want to contact their probable genetic match(es). Your unique number and your surname but no other information is all that the lab will be provided by Family Tree DNA. Only Family Tree DNA will have the ability to cross-reference your unique test kit number with the personal information you provided us in order to determine the names and contact information of family match(es). Privacy and confidentiality will be strictly maintained. =========== -----Original Message----- From: Carole S. Walker [mailto:mott@cetlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:37 PM To: Marie Sellers Hollinger Subject: SELLERS DNA SITE Marie, I believe we need a password to get into the DNA Sellers site. I use a Log in and Password to get into my Ausburn family DNA site. I believe that FTDNA may have given you a Log in and Password? Thanks, Cousin Carole in SC

Here's yet another silly question, but I just want to make sure I'm on the same page as everyone else. Is the kit that is being order the one labeled "Y-DNA -- Male 12 marker paternal test....$99 (Group)"? Michael Sellers -----Original Message----- From: Carole S. Walker [mailto:mott@cetlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 02:11 PM To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SELLERS] RE: SELLERS DNA SITE/PASSWORD Marie and all: I already have my kit number for my brother. FTDNA sent me my brother's kit number with my Order Confirmation. On our Ausburn DNA site, our Group Administrator wrote to Bennett Greenspan and asked him if it would be alright to share the Password and Log In with the rest of the members so we could see all that had participated and the results. Mr. Greenspan wrote him back and told him it was up to his discretion if he wanted to share the Log In and Password with the other members, so that is how I can log in and use the password on the Ausburn DNA site. As it is now, we cannot see who has participated in the DNA Project. Thanks, Cousin Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: Marie Sellers-Hollinger To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:46 PM Subject: [SELLERS] RE: SELLERS DNA SITE/PASSWORD CAROLE, thanks. This is the way I understand it. When we receive our kit and number, there is a release form in there also, which we need to sign if we want to share the chart they make for us. When they receive the kit and signed form back, they give them a password, which I thought was the kit number? The SELLERS GROUP ADM (me right now) has a diff password just for the member info and can NOT be shared. NOW, when we return our kit, we should get a password for my brother and perhaps that will do what you are discussing down below? DOES that help? The Legal and PRIVACY pages under FAQ explains better than me. I will check into how some of the other SURNAME pages do theirs. WHAT does your group have? marie, iowa Your unique locator number will accompany your collection tube to the testing lab. The computer-generated number and your Surname, i.e. Smith, Glennon, Rothschild is the only information about you that the testing facility will see. Once your test has been completed, the results of the Y-DNA or MtDNA (Mitochrondrial DNA is from the female side) will be entered in a secure database. A comparison between your specific genetic markers and those of others in the database will then be performed. If a genetic match is found between you and another person when you have ordered, paid for, and submitted both (or multiple) samples (you and a theoretical relative) you will be informed via email. If a genetic match is found between you and another individual who enters the library at some time in the future, both will be given the information that a potential match is in the database provided that BOTH of you have signed the Release Form. Only if both parties agree will contact information concerning the separate parties be made available to the other party. In this way, all persons in the database will have the right to decide if they want to contact their probable genetic match(es). Your unique number and your surname but no other information is all that the lab will be provided by Family Tree DNA. Only Family Tree DNA will have the ability to cross-reference your unique test kit number with the personal information you provided us in order to determine the names and contact information of family match(es). Privacy and confidentiality will be strictly maintained. =========== -----Original Message----- From: Carole S. Walker [mailto:mott@cetlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:37 PM To: Marie Sellers Hollinger Subject: SELLERS DNA SITE Marie, I believe we need a password to get into the DNA Sellers site. I use a Log in and Password to get into my Ausburn family DNA site. I believe that FTDNA may have given you a Log in and Password? Thanks, Cousin Carole in SC

TOMMY, I believe AFTER they receive your kit back, they send you a KIT number which will be your ID and then you have access to the member page which gives the names of the members and whether they have ret'd their kits and results. thanks for helping. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Tommy Sellars [mailto:tsellars@hlsk.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:35 AM To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SELLERS] DNA Testing Marie: I have signed up and ordered the DNA test today. Hopefully we will have other Sellers males do the same. Tommy Thomas W. Sellars, CPA HEREFORD, LYNCH, SELLARS & KIRKHAM, P.C. Tel (936) 756-8127 Ext 203 Metro (936) 441-1338 Fax (936) 756-8132 Firm website: www.hlsk.com

CAROLE, yes. AND i believe all who join can go to the page and enter their KIT number as an ID and read the members that have joined? marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Carole S. Walker [mailto:mott@cetlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:09 AM To: Marie Sellers Hollinger Subject: MICHAEL "MIKE" ISAAC SELLERS DNA KIT Marie, I heard from my distant cousin,

ANN, thank you for your time and info. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: DNACousins@aol.com [mailto:DNACousins@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:59 AM To: mari@netins.net Subject: Re: DNA GROUPS In a message dated 10/14/03 9:23:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mari@netins.net writes: JUST joined a FAMILY TREE. group. DIDN'T think of checking around. RELIABLE? ADVISE needed/Appreciate. marie, iowa SELLERS FAMILY DISCUSSION GROUP Are you referring to Family Tree DNA? If so, it's a reputable company, used by many members of the GENEALOGY-DNA mailing list. Ann Turner - GENEALOGY-DNA List Administrator Search or Browse the archives, Subscribe or Unsubscribe at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GENEALOGY-DNA.html

Marie and all: I have ordered the DNA kit for my brother, Howard Terry Sellers. It will be sent here to my home in South Carolina. My brother lives in North Carolina and is not in very good health at this time, so I will monitor his results. Cousin Carole in SC

Marie: I have signed up and ordered the DNA test today. Hopefully we will have other Sellers males do the same. Tommy Thomas W. Sellars, CPA HEREFORD, LYNCH, SELLARS & KIRKHAM, P.C. Tel (936) 756-8127 Ext 203 Metro (936) 441-1338 Fax (936) 756-8132 Firm website: www.hlsk.com

SARA, this page is the SELLERS group page and price = 99.00 each kit. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=B24965 marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Sellers [mailto:SSellers1939@cablelynx.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:19 AM To: mari@netins.net Subject: DNA Hi Marie, I would like very much to know more about my husband's ancestry,by way of DNA. Please let me know when a group is formed. I used the other link and it was all ready to take my credit card #. Isn't it better if we get a group together first? Let me know, Sara Seller ssellers1939@cablelynx.com

I subscribe to the thinking that the DNA project is a useful tool. It'd sure be fun to know how many Sellers/Sellars/Zeller/Zellers/Zellern/Soller/Sollar actually have a matching DNA indicating a common ancestor. It seems to me it could turn out to be EVERYBODY. What we won't be able to learn is if that common ancestor was a German immigrant to North America named Heinrich Zeller, or if it was someone living 20 generations earlier than Heinrich who never moved anywhere except when the Mongols forced him to. Frank

Michael--As a SELLERS male, you have inherited a Y chromosome from your male ancestors and, if you have children, your sons will receive. It's part of your genetic inheritance that signifies that you are male, so no daughters receive it. Parts of this Y-chromosome are remarkably stable over many generations, so it is possible to state that you and other living males do have a common ancestor or not. It will not tell you who that is. He may have lived many, many generations ago. At the same time, a Sellers project might well distinguish among related groups who can then identify as German, Scottish, etc., as it is unlikely that they all had a common Sellers/Zeller ancestor. Does this make any sense? SHERRY "Sellers.Michael" <msellers@acresgaming.com> wrote: Maybe I'm missing something on this, but without the presence of the DNA of an ancestor for the purpose of comparison I don't see how it can be "one of the tools available to help sort out the past". I can see its usefulness and purpose in terms of determining if people alive today are related or not, but I guess I don't see how it would help determine if we are related to someone already passed without having their DNA as well. Please feel free to clue me in on what I'm missing. Michael Sellers -----Original Message----- From: EdSellers@aol.com [mailto:EdSellers@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:51 AM To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SELLERS] Sellers DNA Testing Marie, I do not wish to become the administrator of a surname project website as suggested at the following website, but I would certainly be willing to be one of the six males to submit DNA at a cost of $99 each. I sure hope this comes to fruition. Ed Sellers In a message dated 10/14/03 1:13:31 PM Central Daylight Time, tsellars@hlsk.com writes: Marie: I am no expert in DNA but from what I have read, a father's Y Chromosome is passed to his son's virtually unchanged. Based on this information we would be able to determine how many Sellers lines we are working with and which line a person is descended from. It is also able to tell an approximate time frame of the common ancestor. One web site I read indicated that at least 6 males would be needed for the research. DNA testing is not the total answer for genealogy but just one of the tools available to help sort out the past. The cost is expensive but not out of reach if we have enough people to volunteer. Tommy Sellars Thomas W. Sellars, CPA HEREFORD, LYNCH, SELLARS & KIRKHAM, P.C. Tel (936) 756-8127 Ext 203 Metro (936) 441-1338 Fax (936) 756-8132 Firm website: www.hlsk.com

reply ONLY if interested. does NOT need to be done NOW. CAN DO later, after we see results, but, should probably be started. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: mari@netins.net [mailto:mari@netins.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:12 PM To: mari@netins.net Subject: Sellers Surname Project Join Request The following request to join the Sellers project was entered at Family Tree DNA by marie sellers hollinger. genealogy testing/results TO AGREE TO REQUEST: Reply to this email and have the requestor use the following link. http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=B24965 DO NOT AGREE TO REQUEST: Do not send the join code. You may email the requestor at mari@netins.net. Thank you, Family Tree DNA

Just read my own last note, and I need to specify that it should read that sons' wives pass on their mitochondrial DNA or MtDNA. MtDNA is non-nuclear DNA and does not influence inherited characteristics. Those we get from nuclear DNA. Sherry

For a surname DNA study, you must have direct male descendants of a Sellers ancestor. Most of the surname studies are limited to the Y-chromosome. Since only men have a Y-chromosome, only male SELLERS can participate. MtDna (or mitochondrial DNA) is passed on through a strictly female line. All females possess the mitochondrial DNA of their mothers, grandmothers, etc., and they will pass it on to all of their children. Their daughters will pass it on to their children, but in the case of sons, it is the sons' wives who will pass on their DNA. Note that I had my MtDNA done by the Bryan Sikes group at Oxford University. Note that if I am stating something obvious here, it is because I have not had a chance to review all of the contributions on this subject from Sellers list. SHERRY

Here is a link to the privacy site of FTDNA, but it does not tell what they with the DNA samples after the 25 number markers are used. Carole http://www.familytreedna.com/privacy.html

I know my husband or son would do this testing. I think they have safeguards as far as privacy goes in storing the samples. I do not know who owns them once they are sent in but it is a good question. What other information can be determined from these samples? It seems to me to just be another piece to the puzzle and the more information the better in the hunt for one's family tree. BSSellers

From what I have read, you use something like Q-tips and swap the inside of the mouth. You then send it to the company. Simple enough. BSSellers

http://www.familytreedna.com/faq.html answers lots of questions. marie, iowa -----Original Message----- From: Sellers.Michael [mailto:msellers@acresgaming.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:54 PM To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SELLERS] Sellers DNA Testing Ed and group, I'm beginning to see the advantages and the usefulness of such a project. Uncovering relatives among the living could certainly help us piece together the relatives of our ancestors and how they themselves might have been connected. Being that my line back to Heinrich Zeller (1704 - ca 1773) is pretty solid, I would be open to joining the project as well. I am a bit curious though about what happens to these DNA samples used for testing, who has access to them, and/or who actually owns them once they are submitted. Does the company handling the samples own them? Do they sell them to others? Store them? etc. etc. Michael

http://www.familytreedna.com/privacy.html Privacy and Confidentiality Statement Your unique locator number will accompany your collection tube to the testing lab. The computer-generated number and your Surname, i.e. Smith, Glennon, Rothschild is the only information about you that the testing facility will see. Once your test has been completed, the results of the Y-DNA or MtDNA (Mitochrondrial DNA is from the female side) will be entered in a secure database. A comparison between your specific genetic markers and those of others in the database will then be performed. If a genetic match is found between you and another person when you have ordered, paid for, and submitted both (or multiple) samples (you and a theoretical relative) you will be informed via email. If a genetic match is found between you and another individual who enters the library at some time in the future, both will be given the information that a potential match is in the database provided that BOTH of you have signed the Release Form. Only if both parties agree will contact information concerning the separate parties be made available to the other party. In this way, all persons in the database will have the right to decide if they want to contact their probable genetic match(es). Your unique number and your surname but no other information is all that the lab will be provided by Family Tree DNA. Only Family Tree DNA will have the ability to cross-reference your unique test kit number with the personal information you provided us in order to determine the names and contact information of family match(es). Privacy and confidentiality will be strictly maintained. -----Original Message----- From: Sellers.Michael [mailto:msellers@acresgaming.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:54 PM To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SELLERS] Sellers DNA Testing Ed and group, I'm beginning to see the advantages and the usefulness of such a project. Uncovering relatives among the living could certainly help us piece together the relatives of our ancestors and how they themselves might have been connected. Being that my line back to Heinrich Zeller (1704 - ca 1773) is pretty solid, I would be open to joining the project as well. I am a bit curious though about what happens to these DNA samples used for testing, who has access to them, and/or who actually owns them once they are submitted. Does the company handling the samples own them? Do they sell them to others? Store them? etc. etc. Michael -----Original Message----- From: EdSellers@aol.com [mailto:EdSellers@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 04:43 PM To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SELLERS] Sellers DNA Testing Michael, the way I see DNA helping our research is through determining how or if we are all related to each other. I have proven my line pretty solid back to the early 1800's, but past that it gets pretty fuzzy. Who knows, maybe you and I are close cousins. I am immediately going to try to recruit one of Micah Sellers (1786-1876) decendants to join in this project. I am fairly certain that Micah and my GGGgrandfather were brothers, but I have not yet been able to prove that. Ed In a message dated 10/14/03 2:39:17 PM Central Daylight Time, msellers@acresgaming.com writes: Maybe I'm missing something on this, but without the presence of the DNA of an ancestor for the purpose of comparison I don't see how it can be "one of the tools available to help sort out the past". I can see its usefulness and purpose in terms of determining if people alive today are related or not, but I guess I don't see how it would help determine if we are related to someone already passed without having their DNA as well. Please feel free to clue me in on what I'm missing. Michael Sellers -----Original Message----- From: EdSellers@aol.com [mailto:EdSellers@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:51 AM To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SELLERS] Sellers DNA Testing Marie, I do not wish to become the administrator of a surname project website as suggested at the following website,<www.familytreedna.com/surname.asp> but I would certainly be willing to be one of the six males to submit DNA at a cost of $99 each. I sure hope this comes to fruition. Ed Sellers In a message dated 10/14/03 1:13:31 PM Central Daylight Time, tsellars@hlsk.com writes: Marie: I am no expert in DNA but from what I have read, a father's Y Chromosome is passed to his son's virtually unchanged. Based on this information we would be able to determine how many Sellers lines we are working with and which line a person is descended from. It is also able to tell an approximate time frame of the common ancestor. One web site I read indicated that at least 6 males would be needed for the research. DNA testing is not the total answer for genealogy but just one of the tools available to help sort out the past. The cost is expensive but not out of reach if we have enough people to volunteer. Tommy Sellars Thomas W. Sellars, CPA HEREFORD, LYNCH, SELLARS & KIRKHAM, P.C. Tel (936) 756-8127 Ext 203 Metro (936) 441-1338 Fax (936) 756-8132 Firm website: www.hlsk.com

The testing is done by a swab in the mouth. No hair or blood is necessary. Carole ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah Sellers To: SELLERS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:39 PM Subject: [SELLERS] DNA Hello, I am married into the family so it would have to be my husband you would collect DNA from. Exactly what do they use,Hair,blood,etc.? Just curious. Sincerely, Sara Sellers