There was no dispute about the island until the grandchild died. According to several accounts, the island was conveyed to New York State in 1796 for use as a hospital site or any other desired purpose. On 15 February 1800 the three islands, Governors Island, Ellis Island, and Bedloe's island, were ceded by New York to the Federal Government. In 1806 Construction of a land battery in the shape of an 11 point star was begun and completed 5 years later. This probably explains the Seaman family moving to New Jersey in 1805. The original island was only 3.3 acres. It was later expanded to 27 acres and three islands with rubble from construction of the New York subways and ships ballast. Still searching and having fun! John

At 01:05 PM 11/12/03 -0800, you wrote: >HI Marilyn: Just stopping in to check on your recent Seaman/Gilbraith >marriage link. >The "Seaman" surname is in my family org. from Illinois. > Unfortunately I don't have much of anything on them. > >I have found a Bertha Seaman, Anna Seaman >Irene Seaman, Elizabeth Seaman, Catherine Seaman, who I think are sisters. > >I also live in the San Diego area. What part of town are you in? Joanie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marilyn Steber" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:01 AM >Subject: [SEAMAN-L] Willet Seaman and Emiline Gilbraith > > > > GRS CD#2, Marriages in Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana, etc. shows a marriage > > in Lee County, Illinois between Willet Seaman and Emeline Gilbraith on 12 > > December, 1844. > > Is anyone studying this family? > > Marilyn in San Diego, CA > > > > Joanie: For those on the party line, I live West of the I-5, in that area where everybody says "Dude", and has a surfboard on his car or a Harley in the front yard! I can get on I-8 and be at the FHC in Mission Valley in 8 minutes if the traffic is right, and I spend Friday mornings looking for Seamans at the FHC. I'll write to you privately. Marilyn

Marilyn: You have added data I have not yet uncovered. The fact that John signed his name with an X probably rules out him being a doctor. Your information on the fishing gear would indicate he was one of the Shad fisherman that Sam Ellis catered to. As you may know, James Grummon(d) Seaman married the widow Turner in Maple Grove and at some point moved to Cayuga County. Caleb is a relative that I do not have in my database, although I have him on hard copy that I need to located. When James and Mary went to Maple Grove, several other family members went with or followed later. Some of their records appear in Nashville, Barry County. As yet I do not have John nor Joanna's parents. The Grummon name is difficult to find, but I keep searching. I would like to keep up this exchange, as it seems to be beneficial. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint and Marilyn Cannon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [SEAMAN-L] Re: Seaman's and Ellis Island > It is great to find another person researching the Seaman's of Ellis Island > and Jersey City. My ancestor is Joshua, son of John & Joanna. > > I found info in a New York genealogical publication, and have lost the > notes, that Samuel Ellis left Ellis Island in his will to his grandchild, if > when born, the child was a boy. (the grandson lived only a few months) > John Seaman testified at the daughter's hearing. Does anyone know what > happened at that hearing? Further info was not given. > > John Seaman's will was dated April, 1825 and he signed it with an X. > Samuel Cassedy, James S. Olcott and John K. Goodman witnessed the will. > Samuel was the first Board Selectman of Jersey City along with John Seaman. > James was his Pres. Pastor. (Called to Jersey City before 1824 and left > 1829). John K. was on the board of Selectman of Jersey City with John > Seaman about 1819. This will was acquired at Trenton, NJ several years ago > and about 5 years ago I tried to see the origional at the Jersey City > Courthouse. It was missing from the folder. The number of the will is > 4585B at Trenton. He, at that time, had underaged children named Catharine, > Joann, Eliza, William, Henrietta, Alfred and Henry. > He died late 1832 or early 1833. His inventory was taken March 18, 1833 and > it included a fishing seine, one lot of fishing nets and riggings, a skiff > boat, 2 fish boats, more seines and 83 fish poles. This has me believing > that he was a fisherman. His wife, Joanna, also signed with an X as her > mark. The inventory amount was $738.12. > > In a book entitled "The First Presbyterian Church of Jersey City, New > Jersey" which is Historical Discourses by Charles K. Imbrie, Stephen Seaman, > a son of John, tells that the family moved to Jersey City from Ellis Island > in 1805. > > Who is the Caleb Seaman that lived in Cayuga Co., NY and is buried near > James G. Seaman? > > Does anyone know John's or Joanna's parents? Any small bit of info would > be appreciated. > > Marilyn Cannon > > >

Marilyn, I don't have any information on your Willet Seaman, but I have a copy of the book "Long Island Genealogies" and Willet Seaman is a very common name in the several lines of the Long Island Seamans. Unfortunately, the book doesn't carry out all of the lines so I can't pinpoint your Willet. The Seamans intermarried into the Willets and used Willet as a first name. If you haven't already done so it might be a good idea to check out the book "SEAMAN  Family in America, as descended from Capt. John Seaman of Hempstead, Long Isl., by Mary T. Seaman, with J.H. Seaman, Jr.". You might also check at the Long Island message board and the Willets message board to see if there is anything there. I hope that this helps. Carol Loar

It is great to find another person researching the Seaman's of Ellis Island and Jersey City. My ancestor is Joshua, son of John & Joanna. I found info in a New York genealogical publication, and have lost the notes, that Samuel Ellis left Ellis Island in his will to his grandchild, if when born, the child was a boy. (the grandson lived only a few months) John Seaman testified at the daughter's hearing. Does anyone know what happened at that hearing? Further info was not given. John Seaman's will was dated April, 1825 and he signed it with an X. Samuel Cassedy, James S. Olcott and John K. Goodman witnessed the will. Samuel was the first Board Selectman of Jersey City along with John Seaman. James was his Pres. Pastor. (Called to Jersey City before 1824 and left 1829). John K. was on the board of Selectman of Jersey City with John Seaman about 1819. This will was acquired at Trenton, NJ several years ago and about 5 years ago I tried to see the origional at the Jersey City Courthouse. It was missing from the folder. The number of the will is 4585B at Trenton. He, at that time, had underaged children named Catharine, Joann, Eliza, William, Henrietta, Alfred and Henry. He died late 1832 or early 1833. His inventory was taken March 18, 1833 and it included a fishing seine, one lot of fishing nets and riggings, a skiff boat, 2 fish boats, more seines and 83 fish poles. This has me believing that he was a fisherman. His wife, Joanna, also signed with an X as her mark. The inventory amount was $738.12. In a book entitled "The First Presbyterian Church of Jersey City, New Jersey" which is Historical Discourses by Charles K. Imbrie, Stephen Seaman, a son of John, tells that the family moved to Jersey City from Ellis Island in 1805. Who is the Caleb Seaman that lived in Cayuga Co., NY and is buried near James G. Seaman? Does anyone know John's or Joanna's parents? Any small bit of info would be appreciated. Marilyn Cannon

I have been researching the Seaman and Ellis Island connection and have a few ideas to put forward. The following cames from about one hundred (100) websites and all do not agree, therefore it is open to additions and corrections. At some point in the 1770's Samuel Ellis had possession of what became Ellis Island. Sometime after the war he built a tavern and catered to shad fisherman. Later the City of New York used the island for a "pest house". Note: One source states that Same Ellis turned the pest house into a tavern. One of the articles written about the chartering of Jersey City refers to John Seaman as "Dr. John Seaman". This MAY be a mistake, because in another article, one of the other charter signees is also listed as a "Dr.". Assuming John Seaman was a doctor, could he have practiced medicine at the pest house? That would account for James G. Seaman being born there. In 1808 the City of New York accquired title to Ellis Island and on the same day turned it over to the US Government. That would explain the Seamans being encouraged to leave the island. Information is sparse, but I can not find any of the other children born on the island, although it is quite possible. Comments and suggestions appreciated. John Whitney

HI Marilyn: Just stopping in to check on your recent Seaman/Gilbraith marriage link. The "Seaman" surname is in my family org. from Illinois. Unfortunately I don't have much of anything on them. I have found a Bertha Seaman, Anna Seaman Irene Seaman, Elizabeth Seaman, Catherine Seaman, who I think are sisters. I also live in the San Diego area. What part of town are you in? Joanie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Steber" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: [SEAMAN-L] Willet Seaman and Emiline Gilbraith > GRS CD#2, Marriages in Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana, etc. shows a marriage > in Lee County, Illinois between Willet Seaman and Emeline Gilbraith on 12 > December, 1844. > Is anyone studying this family? > Marilyn in San Diego, CA > >

For those of you who are searching the New York city area between 1851 and 1991, you might want to try this FREE search utility for the New York Times. Pro Quest has scanned in the complete newspaper, including the classified ads, on its subscription website. But until December 15, 2003, it is free. After that, it's gone. It works like this: First, go to http://riversideregionallibrary.org/ Second, click on "ProQuest Historical New York Times" Third, use the guest password here, which is: welcome Fourth, click on "ProQuest Historical New York Times" again. Fifth, you are now on the search screen -- try it! Enjoy! If you become "hooked" on ProQuest and want to have ongoing access to their holdings, contact me and I can tell you where to subscribe to them (however, the subscription is not free.) Carolyn M. Seaman, list administrator

Hi Johanna, I only have a very little information about Susannah but you are welcome to what I have. You won't find any christening information because she was Quaker and Quakers don't christen or baptize. If Nathaniel and Charity (BTW, I didn't have a maiden name for Charity before so much thanks) were her parents, then she is the granddaughter of Elias Doty and Amy Dean, both of whom died in Dutchess County. Susannah had two brothers, Isaac and Elias, both of whom married and had children. I don't have any marriage for Susannah and considering that her grave is listed under the name of Seaman(s), it would suggest that she didn't marry. REMOVAL CERTIFICATES FROM CREEK MONTHLY MEETING DUTCHESS COUNTY NEW YORK, 1787 to 1802 (inc.) Seamans: Charity Seamans, wife of Nathaniel about to remove with her husband and some of her children, Charity, Susannah, Nathaniel Doughty and John to Phillipstown; from Creek to Hudson, 22 of 5m, 1801 LDS Film #0873511: NY Quaker Meeting Records - Dutchess County. Xeroxed from copies in the Library of Congress Compiled by Josephine S.C. Frost A source for the burial information for Susannah is Duel, Richard and Cindy. Dutchess County, Nrw York Cemetery Inscriptions, (database online: Orem, UT: Ancstry, Inc., 2000). Copied August 20, 1914 by J. W. Moucher, MD and Mrs. Poucher. Within its boundaries was built in 1839 a Methodist Church. Considering that the family moved to Hudson, Columbia County in 1801, you might find an online source for Quaker records from Columbia County. Most of the Columbia County's records which are online can be accessed through Cliff Lamere's website. Just do a google search on his name and you will find the site. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. But let me know about your Mary Elizabeth Gibson. Maybe there is another way to crack this wall. Carolyn Mussina Seaman

Hello List: I am still searching for a Susan Seaman b 1784-1794 Dutchess co who could be the mother of my Mary Elizabeth Gibson, b 1817 in Dutchess Co. I have eliminated two Susan Seaman thus far. I found another who I was wondering if any of you could give some details about. I am investigating: Susanna Seaman b 8 Oct 1789 - Lithgow, Dutchess Co., NY d. 31 Jan 1863 Hyde Park. Buried Crum Elbow Cem. Parents Nathaniel and Charity Doty. I found this on the LDS Pedigree Resource File with no sources! I see that she was buried as Susanna Seaman. Does anyone know if she was unmarried or had no children. Does anyone know where I might find Christening records or marriage records for Lithgow? Any hints would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Johnna St Clair

This is my crowd !!! My g-grandfather, Samuel Silas SEAMAN came down here to Ohio from Barry Co, MI about 1880. I have a bunch on the whole crowd & CRONKs/CRONKITEs/ et all as well. Terry "JOHN L. WHITNEY" <[email protected]> wrote: Hi List: Just returned from Wayne County, New York researching the Seaman family. James Grummon(d) Seaman was b 29 August 1802 on Ellis Island. The family was forced off Ellis Island and went to Bergan,Hudson, New Jersey where James married Mary Cronk (various spellings) 21 June 1822. By 1827 they were in Wayne County, New York where James Grummon, Jr was born. James G. Seaman, Sr. was a minister who moved on the Maple Grove, Barry, Michigan where Mary died. James Sr. removed to Montezuma, Cayuga, New York, where he died. I found some CRONK's in a nearby New York county, but have not developed that information. Would appreciate hearing from any who have information on the family. John Terry Wilson 21 Clark Avenue Shelby, OH 44875 (419) 347-6782 Researching: ALLEN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND,HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

Listers, These records were very recently collected and transcribed by my friend. Can anyone place them in families??? If you can, please let Ginny know. She is trying to put real information with these forgotten souls. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/2843/dcalmshousedeaths.html 1872-1944 DUTCHESS COUNTY, NY ALMS/POORHOUSE/INFIRMARY DEATHS TOWN OF WASHINGTON 1905-11-01 Seaman Theo 76 American Dest Beekman 1906-06-13 1909-05-25 Seaman Giles 79 American Dest Beekman 1910-08-16

Don't have any info on the Cronk family but my ancestors were Havens and Seaman who went to Wayne Co, NY and then on to MI and finally to WI. In NJ, John Havens m Hannah Seaman, had son Joseph Havens. David Seaman m Anna Pharo, had daughter Jerusha Seaman. Joseph and Jerusha were married and as first cousins were disowned by the Quaker Church. They had a son and daughter. Anna, the daughter, married Roswell (Ransel) Wood. They had children and one son Joseph Havens Wood was my great, great grandfather. Jerusha moved to MI with Roswell and Anna. She was a widow and remarried. So as you see I have a double relationship to the Seaman family. Bobbie

GRS CD#2, Marriages in Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana, etc. shows a marriage in Lee County, Illinois between Willet Seaman and Emeline Gilbraith on 12 December, 1844. Is anyone studying this family? Marilyn in San Diego, CA

Hello John and List: I don't have any information on the Seaman family you mentioned below, however I have a Mary Elizabeth Gibson, daughter of Solomon Gibson and Susan SEAMAN who was married ton Rensselaer Cobb in Palmyra, Wayne County in 1836. Mary was born in Dutchess Co., NY in 1817. Susan Seaman was born sometime in NY or NJ (can't tell on document I have) between 1794 - 1794. Can you send me a little more on then while they were in Wayne County? Please send to my email address at: [email protected] Johnna St Clair ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN L. WHITNEY" <[email protected]> > Hi List: > > Just returned from Wayne County, New York researching the Seaman family. James Grummon(d) Seaman was b 29 August 1802 on Ellis Island. The family was forced off Ellis Island and went to Bergan,Hudson, New Jersey where James married Mary Cronk (various spellings) 21 June 1822. By 1827 they were in Wayne County, New York where James Grummon, Jr was born. > > James G. Seaman, Sr. was a minister who moved on the Maple Grove, Barry, Michigan where Mary died. James Sr. removed to Montezuma, Cayuga, New York, where he died. >

Hi List: Just returned from Wayne County, New York researching the Seaman family. James Grummon(d) Seaman was b 29 August 1802 on Ellis Island. The family was forced off Ellis Island and went to Bergan,Hudson, New Jersey where James married Mary Cronk (various spellings) 21 June 1822. By 1827 they were in Wayne County, New York where James Grummon, Jr was born. James G. Seaman, Sr. was a minister who moved on the Maple Grove, Barry, Michigan where Mary died. James Sr. removed to Montezuma, Cayuga, New York, where he died. I found some CRONK's in a nearby New York county, but have not developed that information. Would appreciate hearing from any who have information on the family. John

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [SEAMAN-L] Test > I'm listening, Carol, but have had nothing to add, as I am working oin other > projects. > > Barry Seaman

I'm listening, Carol, but have had nothing to add, as I am working oin other projects. Barry Seaman

I haven't been getting very much mail for the list lately. Is rootsweb really quiet or is AOL's spam filter eating my mail? Carol

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Carter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 4:50 AM Subject: [SEAMAN-L] Stephen Seaman b. ABT. 1845/46 > Hi, I found my Seaman family in the 1880 US Census living in Oyster Bay, Queens, NYC: STEPHEN SEAMAN age 34, wife MARY EMMA SEAMAN age 29 and daughter MARGARETTA age 7. That would mean that Stephen was born abt. 1845/46. I know that my g/grandmother Margaretta had a younger sister named Ada. Margaretta married William Fling and resided in Glen Cove, Long Island NY. Her 1st husband was Edward Blake. She lived to be 101. I have not been able to fine out for sure who Stephen's or his wife Mary Emma's parents were. Can anyone help me? Thank you, Sharon Carter