OK, I know you hate me by now but will someone please show me the error of my ways. See how this fits with what the rest of you already know. My James Grummon SEAMAN Sr was b abt 1801 in NY/NJ. James m Mary CRONK on 29 Jun 1822 in Bremen NJ - both are listed as from Jersey City. By the 1840 census, they had relocated to Wayne Co NY near the town of Savannah. In 1849 Rev Jim bought land in Barry Co MI & moved there. His son, Jim Jr., followed with his family to Barry Co abt 1862. James Sr had at least two brothers - Joshua & Stephan. Joshua was b abt 1789 & d Jul 1949. His wife was Susan M. ? and they lived in Jersey City bef moving to Warren Twp, Somerset Co, NJ. Stephen is supposedly quoted in a book titled "The First Presbyterian Church of Jersey City, NJ, Historical Discourses" by Charles K. Imbrie. John d abt 1832 and his wife was listed as Joanna. rom other sources, her name was Joanna GRUMMOND/GRUMMON. Also, there is a book I do not have access to but that could explain a lot to me. Pg 271 of The Seaman Family in America is suppose to have a letter from William Grant SEAMAN detailing this family. Can anyone help me out with this????? Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Just a few graves, I am not sure if I sent these to the list before. Judy Friends burying ground, Cornwall, Orange Cty, NY 1922: Seaman, Joseph B.; 13 Dec 1880- 44y 3m 14d Methodist Yard, Lake Mahopac, NY: Seaman, Huldah, wife Stephen, d. 17 May 1868- a. 66y 5m 14 d Methodist Churchyard, Union Valley, Putnam CTy, NY, about 3 miles south of Lake Mahopac 1921: Seaman, Emma Jane, 27y " Lydia A. , 37y

Just a couple this time...hope somebody knows them! Judy Dutchess County Historical Society Yearbook 1947 p. 105 Collins Family Bible: 10 Jan 1855 by Rev. Joseph Elliot, EGBERT C. SEAMAN m. SALLY ANN COLLINS, all of Pleasant Valley (NY) Dutchess County Yearbook Vol. 28 1943 p. 64-65 in 1840's ISSAC SEAMAN & BRADDOCK SEAMAN were members of Po'keepsie Anti-Slavery Society

Virgil White's Index to War of 1812 Pensioners "prepared from microfilm records located at the National Archives." "The claims are for the most part based on the acts of 1871 and 1878." It appears, from the Introduction of this Index, that if your ancestor was faithful to the United States during the American Civil War he (or his Spouse) might be eligible for a pension for the war some 60 years before. These entries appear on the Virgil White Index on Page 1557. SEAMAN Benjamin D., Maria A., WC-28134, srv Capt. R. Carman's Co. NY Mil as a Pvt. Ebenezer, Lillis, [sic] WC-1202, srv Capt. James Manary's Co US Rangers & Capt Thomas Lloyd's Co OH Mil Elricy, Laura, WC-10010 srv Capt. David T--cott's Co., NY Mil. as a Cpl. George, SO-19411, srv Capt Selah Carll's Co. NY Mil as a Pvt, alleged Gilbert, Old War IF #27470, srv as a Capt in the 4th Regt US Inf. Israel, Abigail, WC-3215, srv Capt. Cheeseman's Co. NY Mil Jacob, Jane, WC-25101, srv Capt Underhill's Co., NY Mil, alleged John, SO-14769, srv Capt. A. Van Mater's Co. OH Mil Joshua, SC-1119, srv Capt John Brown's Co NY Mil Jotham, Emily, WC-30210, SC-13301, srv. Capt D. Powell's Co. NY Mil. Nathaniel, Mary, WO-50402, srv as an Adj on Col Bedell's Staff in the NY Mil. Paul, SO-14049, srv Capt Tunis Cooper's Co., NY Mil. Peter, Mary, WC-5286, SC 17097, srv Capt. J. J. Woolley's Co., NY Mil. Stephen, SO-27360, srv Capt. J. Townsend's Co., NJ Mil Stephen, Abby Ann WC-22356, SC-15180, srv. Capt Stephen Thorn's Co., NY Mil Thomas or Tommas, SC-17145, srv. Capt. David Mott's Co., NY Mil, alleged Tommas or Thomas Seamn, SC-17145, srv Capt Samuel (David ?) Mott's Co NY Mil Seamans, William, Berthena, WO-31447 srv. Capt Durham Sprague's Co VT Mil Researching: Sparks of KY; Potter of NY; Oppenborn of FL; Tuphorn of Wisconsin; and Seaman of NJ. ---- Marilyn Steber 4464 Castelar Street #104 San Diego, California.

I am very interested in connecting to someone, however, we have been unable to get our Sylvanus Seaman b. NY abt 1806 (we believe Herkimer Co, NY) out of Illinois. He lived in Carlinville, Macoupin Co, IL for many years. Married to Nancy McWain, dau of Louis McWain. We have information on his children born in Illinois, but nothing beyond that. Any help would be appreciated. Is there anyone near or in Fairfield, Herkimer Co, New York who could look up ANYTHING at the library, courthouse, cemetery there??? We need a lead bad. Thanks. Mary and my cousin Marilyn.

Among some of the papers, etc., handed down in my husband's family are two typed manuscripts: 1. Seeger, Ferdinand. "Gengalogical and Historical Collectanea relating to the Old and Historic House of Seaman." New York, n.p. 1908. 2. Seeger, Ferdinand. "Makers of the Nation: Captain John Seaman as Statesman and one of the Founders of the Republic and Public Careers of some of his Descendants." New York, n.p. 1909. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information contained in them but at the time they were written they probably represented the accepted "truths." Nevertheless, they do present some clues as to the English origins of the Long Island Seamans. In the first article Seeger states: "The direct or main line migrated from its original Surrey and Sussex homes till finally we reach Leiscestershire and at the 16th. century we find it a leading family in the city of LEICESTER and in the County of this name. Another prominent branch is found in Oxford, and another in Essex County, in the latter county John Seaman, Gentleman, of Chelmsford in 1587 conveys to John his son and heir, certain lands. . . .JOHN SEAMAN of CHELMSFORD in May 1587 conveys to HIS SON and HEIR. . .JOHN SEAMAN then aged upwards of 40 years. . . who succeeded him. He held this manor and messuages, and divers lands with appertenances, and Bocking Park, and departing this life 29 June 1623, and was succeeded by his son JOHN SEAMAN Esquire, 20 years old, upon whose death without issue, this estate fell to HIS BROTHER SAMUEL SEAMAN Esquire. He died 27 Mch. 1632; leaving, by Anne his wife, RICHARD his SON and HEIR, then aged 7 years. He lived at Paimswick in Gloucestershire, and had for his wife Catherine, one of the daughters of Martin Wright of Oxford, Gentleman, one of the Aldermen of that city. He left his only daughter and HEIR CATHERINE, who brought his estate in marriage to John West, Gentleman, son and heir apparent to John West the elder of Hampton Poyle in the County of Oxford." [Seeger cites as his source page 408 of Volume II of Morants History of the County of Essex, England.] On the very last page of the second manuscript, Seeger presents the following ( I have tried to maintain Seeger's idiocyncratic capitalization): SUMMARY OF LINEAGE The VERY FIRST CENSUS of ENGLAND, the ANGLO SAXON CHRONICLES, compiled by order of ALFRED the GREAT (871-901) has the name of SEMAN in the list of leading families. JOHN SEMAN is in the list of holders of lands and manors in the reign of EDWARD the CONFESSOR (1041-1064). JOHN SEMAN next appears in the second historic census - DOMESDAY BOOK - and compiled by order of WILLIAM the CONQUEROR (1085-1086). From him descended the distinguished scholar JOHN SEAMAN L.L.D.&c., who died in Leiscester in 1550. He had among others JOHN, ALFRED and WILLIAM. From JOHN descended William, born in Leicester 1600 John, born in Leicester 1602 Caleb, born in Leicester 1603 Lawrence, born in Leicester 1605 (Vide Parish Register of St. Martins Church, Leicester) John and Caleb came to New England in the fleet with Winthrop in 1630. Caleb returned to England. John remained and is the CAPTAIN SEAMAN of LONG ISLAND FAME, and "who left such a host of descendants as to be remarkable from a genealogical standpoint" (vide N.Y. GENEALOGICAL JOURNAL), and consequently requiring separate tracing of each branch of line of these descendants. If you are interested in either or both of these papers, let me know. Carolyn Mussina Seaman Kinderhook, NY <gregseaman@berk.com>

Here are a couple of links for nicknames: http://www.tngenweb.usit.com/franklin/frannick.htm http://www.uftree.com/UFT/HowTos/SettingOut/nickname1.html Hope they prove useful to someone. Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

I am very interested also but the problem is in proving that Captain John Seaman of Hempstead is any of the John Seamans listed in england and the son of anyone. since we don't have a birth date for Capt. John and some discussion about which Elizabeth is his wife the likelihood of establishing his parents is slim. I didn't count the John Seamans in the IGI that could be Capt. John but there were several and the IGI is not complete for the existing records much less the lost ones. If someone has the time to contact the submitters they may have found something unknown to us. I don't have time to contact the submitters or to try to find the records they may have used, place names are given for the English born Johns so it may be possible to check the records for those places and turn up something. It would be relay exciting to turn up records from across the pond! Richard Lyle Pettitt ABSea@aol.com wrote: > > I'm very much interested too, but more so in the U.S. line from 1800-1900. My > gap is between my great-great grandfather, Jarvis Seaman of Hempstead > (1867-1912) and his forbears (most likely a Jarvis or Alfred Seaman of > Hempstead, Wantaugh, Belmore or environs.

I'm very much interested too, but more so in the U.S. line from 1800-1900. My gap is between my great-great grandfather, Jarvis Seaman of Hempstead (1867-1912) and his forbears (most likely a Jarvis or Alfred Seaman of Hempstead, Wantaugh, Belmore or environs.

I have been perusing the new LDS/Family Search web page and located some data on Capt. John Seaman that was new to me. See: http://www.familysearch.org/Search/af/ancestral_file_frame.asp?recid=11366890 (Difficult or slow at times). This will show ancestry back to Nicholas Seamon b. ca 1535, Essex, England. 26 submitters are listed. Anyone care to comment on the accuracy of this data? Mike in Oregon

I know - I'm a pest but what the heck - it's a job. I have this cluster of SEAMAN folks in Wayne Co NY & lack the ties. Can anyone shed light on whether or not these folks tie together or if they are just aliens from outer space?????? ------------- Albert SEAMAN S/o Samuel, s/o Samuel, s/o Samuel, s/o John b 1762 d 29 Jan 1846 Palmyra, Wayne Co, NY m Elizabeth ? bef 1797 b abt 1766 d 29 Oct 1847 Palmyra, Wayne Co, NY children: Lewis res Palmyra, Wayne Co NY Charlotte b 1798 m DOUGHTY d 3 Dec 1856 Randolf res Horseheads, Chemung Co NY Leonard L. b 1798 d 14 May 1873 Palmyra, Wayne Co NY m Mahala DOUGHTY 8 Jun 1820 Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co NY b abt 1794 d 13 Dec 1875 Palmyra, Wayne Co NY children Seneca L b abt Feb 1830 d 8 May 1831 Palmyra, Wayne Co NY -------------- Benjamin B. SEAMAN b abt 1846 d ? Res Sodus Point, Wayne Co NY 1867-8, Lawyer, farmer m Delia A. ? b abt 1846 d 1869 Huron, Wayne Co NY ---------------- H. F. SEAMAN b 1843 d 1914 Sodus, Wayne Co NY doctor m Augusta C. ? b 1850 d 1934 Sodus, Wayne Co NY ------------- L. E. SEAMAN b abt 1841 d 18 Apr 1875 Civil war Vet bur Maple Grove Cem res Galen, Wayne Co NY ------------- Harry SEAMAN Doctor res Sodus Center, Wayne Co NY 1867-8 ------------------ James F. SEAMAN B 11 Sep 1852 D 8 May 1882 Wolcott, Wayne Co NY -------------- Elizabeth Q. SEAMAN B 1846 D 1922 Red Creek, Wayne Co NY -------------- Catherine H. SEAMAN B abt 1828 D ? Res Palmyra, Wayne Co 1848 M Oliver ALLEN 27 Apr 1848 Palmyra, Wayne Co NY B abt 1823 D ? Res Wheatland, Wayne Co NY 1848 --------------- John SEAMAN B 1818 Ramapo, Rockland Co NY D 1891 Macedon, Wayne Co NY Res Rockland Co NY 1848 Res Macedon, Wayne Co NY 1867-8 farmer M Elizabeth FRITTS 26 May 1848 Macedon, Wayne Co NY B 7 Oct 1815 Monroe, Orange Co NY D 29 May 1896 Mecadon, Wayne Co NY Res Macedon, Wayne Co NY 1848 children Charles b 29 Apr 1849 Macedon, Wayne Co, NY D ? ------------ James G. SEAMAN Jr B 18 Sep 1822 NY D 27 Jul 1896 Barry Co MI Res Savannah, Wayne Co MI 1847, 1849, 1850 M Harriett J. JENNING/JENNINGS 24 Sep 1847 Savannah, Wayne Co, NY B 15 Mar 1832 NY D 16 Mar 1866 Barry Co, MI Res w/hus ------------- James G. SEAMAN, Sr B abt 1801 NY/NJ D aft 7 Nov 1876 MI Res Westchester Co NY 1822, Wayne Co NY 1840, moved to Barry Co MI 1849 M Mary CRONK 1822 Yorktown Heights,Westchester Co NY B 27 Jun 1802 NY D 7 Nov 1876 Barry Co MI Res w/hus === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

> This comes from the Abstracts of Rev. War Pension Files: > Micah Seaman, NY Line born 1748 Queens County, NY #R9337. He applied 14 > Feb. 1833 in Warren County NJ and died in Bucks County, PA in 1834. > > According to this, he had a son named Daniel who lived in Sandusky County, > Ohio in 1851. Seems unusual to have that record that late. I'll send for > his records, since he seems to be an "Uncle" of mine. > > Is anyone out there descended from Micah to their knowledge? > > Marilyn Marilyn, I have the following: Micah Seaman enlisted July 8, 1775, and served in the Continental Line in the Revolutionary War with Captain Daniel Denton's company. He passed muster in the Continental Army in the third regiment raised in the Province of New York. Born: 1 Dec 1748, Long Island, Queens co. NY Died: 1834 Durham, Bucks Co. PA Md. Jemima Ball. Resided: Marshall co. Illinois and later Ohio Mike in Oregon

This comes from the Abstracts of Rev. War Pension Files: Micah Seaman, NY Line born 1748 Queens County, NY #R9337. He applied 14 Feb. 1833 in Warren County NJ and died in Bucks County, PA in 1834. According to this, he had a son named Daniel who lived in Sandusky County, Ohio in 1851. Seems unusual to have that record that late. I'll send for his records, since he seems to be an "Uncle" of mine. Is anyone out there descended from Micah to their knowledge? Marilyn Researching: Sparks of KY; Potter of NY; Oppenborn of FL; Tuphorn of Wisconsin; and Seaman of NJ. ---- Marilyn Steber 4464 Castelar Street #104 San Diego, California.

Does anyone have access to a book called "Seamans in Savannah" (NY) ???????????? Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

I wonder if they are ethnic Dutch or German. Are there any Mennonites in your family background? In 1786, the Russian Empress Catherine II, looking for settlers to move into lands captured from the Turks, invited Mennonites living in West Prussia (now part of Poland) to settle in the Ukraine. Other dissatisfied farmers from central Europe were also invited. By 1870 there were about 45,000 Mennonites in Russia, with villages established in the Ukraine, the Crimea, the Caucasus, south central Asia and Siberia. By 1884, because of growing Russian intolerance, about 18,000 had resettled in North America. Hope this helps, Lindsey Ottman NYC, NY -----Original Message----- From: Carolyn Seaman <gregseaman@berk.com> To: SEAMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SEAMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 7:48 PM Subject: [SEAMAN-L] Seamans from Russia >Can anyone help? > >I am looking for some help with my Seaman line. Most of the Seamans = > > came from England but mine did not. I have been told that my Seamans >= > > originated in Russia, but I do not know from which area. > > Isaac Seaman, my great grandfather, was born about 1860 and died about >= > > 1940 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Hanna Yarrow, my great >grandmother, = > > born in 1862 died about 1920 also in Philadelphia. No one I know is = > > sure whether they were married before or after they arrived in the >U.S. = > > The Seamans lived in Pottsville for a while, that is where my = > > grandfather was born. My grandfather's name was Howard Robert Seaman, >= > > he was born July 1, 1904. > > I have been trying to research this family yet all I find is the >English = > > Seamans. I am not really sure what the original Russian name was. > > Any hints or help I get will be much appreciated. I am frustrated >with = > > the dead ends that I have hit. Even family members have become dead = > > ends. > > > Thank you=20 > > > Roien (RAGEE1@prodigy.net) > >Carolyn Mussina Seaman >Kinderhook, NY > ><gregseaman@berk.com> >

I know, I'm getting to be a pest. Who is the guru on the topic of Samuel SEAMAN/SEAMANS in Cortland Co NY??? He was m to Anna SHELDON. Around 1801 to 1806 they had a son, James. Trying to find info on James in particular. Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Can anyone help? I am looking for some help with my Seaman line. Most of the Seamans = > came from England but mine did not. I have been told that my Seamans = > originated in Russia, but I do not know from which area. > Isaac Seaman, my great grandfather, was born about 1860 and died about = > 1940 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Hanna Yarrow, my great grandmother, = > born in 1862 died about 1920 also in Philadelphia. No one I know is = > sure whether they were married before or after they arrived in the U.S. = > The Seamans lived in Pottsville for a while, that is where my = > grandfather was born. My grandfather's name was Howard Robert Seaman, = > he was born July 1, 1904. > I have been trying to research this family yet all I find is the English = > Seamans. I am not really sure what the original Russian name was. > Any hints or help I get will be much appreciated. I am frustrated with = > the dead ends that I have hit. Even family members have become dead = > ends. > Thank you=20 > Roien (RAGEE1@prodigy.net) Carolyn Mussina Seaman Kinderhook, NY <gregseaman@berk.com>

I think John "the stonecutter" Seaman was a son of Willets of New Jersey. But I can't document this at all. He was the one who went to Adams County, Ohio where the courthouse burned down in the early 1900s. Ron Seaman's ancestor was John the stonecutter. He monitors this list and we should hear from him in the "sweet by and by". M Researching: Sparks of KY; Potter of NY; Oppenborn of FL; Tuphorn of Wisconsin; and Seaman of NJ. ---- Marilyn Steber 4464 Castelar Street #104 San Diego, California.

I have come across a man with the middle name of GRUMNON and it's driving me nuts. Anyone know of a surname GRUMNON or has anyone ever seen it before. I've checked everywhere I know and come up blank. Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Terry: There simply was no "Wilbert". What there was was a mistake in an abstracted copy of the old Registry of Death record in Roane County, West Virginia. When dealing with abstracts, as you can see from the above e-mail, you can expect a little truth and a little human error. The point is that genealogists have to keep in mind is that filmed original records are more reliable than abstracts. Unfortunately, we don't have that luxury in regard to the father of David Seaman of West Virginia. The rule of English Naming Patterns would suggest that David of WV would name one of his sons Willet after his own father and he did. Marilyn Researching: Sparks of KY; Potter of NY; Oppenborn of FL; Tuphorn of Wisconsin; and Seaman of NJ. ---- Marilyn Steber 4464 Castelar Street #104 San Diego, California.