In a message dated 4/25/99 2:21:34 AM Central Daylight Time, Jim Rubins writes: > Yes I have. > There are actually several editions of "The Descendants of Adam Mott of > Hempstead.." by Doubleday so it gets confusing because information conflicts > in the different editions. Drats. Should have guessed you'd already seen them. :-) Was hoping I had found several new possible sources for finding my Gilbert SEAMAN. I assume he wasn't in either of the two books, as he's not in your Seaman site. Oh well, drive on! John
Yes I have. There are actually several editions of "The Descendants of Adam Mott of Hempstead.." by Doubleday so it gets confusing because information conflicts in the different editions. I have included information that was relevant in the SEAMAN web page at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/r/u/b/James-David-Rubins-CA/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Johns2rt@aol.com <Johns2rt@aol.com> To: SEAMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SEAMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 4:26 AM Subject: [SEAMAN-L] Descendants of Adam Mott of Hempstead >Has anyone on the list checked out "The Descendants of Adam Mott of >Hempstead, Long Island, NY: a genealogical study," by Edward Doubleday >Harris, or "Adam and Ann Mott: their ancestors and their descendants," by >Thomas Clapp Cornell, for SEAMAN descendants? > >John Stewart > >
Has anyone on the list checked out "The Descendants of Adam Mott of Hempstead, Long Island, NY: a genealogical study," by Edward Doubleday Harris, or "Adam and Ann Mott: their ancestors and their descendants," by Thomas Clapp Cornell, for SEAMAN descendants? John Stewart
---2131480384-1817792895-924869741=:21881 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline note: forwarded msg attached. === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---2131480384-1817792895-924869741=:21881 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <PAFAYETT-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (204.212.38.30) by mta5.rocketmail.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 1999 16:32:40 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18814; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: DittDad@aol.com Message-ID: <387a9356.24510b18@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:30:32 EDT Subject: Colonial soldiers of Virginia Old-To: PAALLEGH-L@rootsweb.com, PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com Old-CC: PAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com, PAWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Reply-To: DittDad@aol.com Resent-Message-ID: <oBD3ID.A.tlE.MG7H3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/8672 X-Loop: PAFAYETT-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PAFAYETT-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Length: 770 To the list Today I brought home a book "List of The Colonial Soldiers of Virginia" by H. J. Eckenrode; Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, Md. LOC No. 62-51491 ISBN No. 0-8063-0099-X This book contains: 1. A brief History about 12 pages in length. 2. A List of References where the names were found 3. An alphabetical listing of men who served in Colonial Times, 75 pages. I'll have the book until about May 13th and will do lookups on request. Send all lookup request direct to me, not through the list. Any request through the list will not be honored. Use as Subject "Lookup Colonial Soldiers"; so your request is not deleted. Jerry Dittman Boonsboro, MD. ==== PAFAYETT Mailing List ==== Washington County GenWeb Page is: http://www.chartiers.com/ ---2131480384-1817792895-924869741=:21881--
Who is/are the resident expert/s on SEAMANs in NJ? I'm looking at the Bergen NJ area around 1780-1820 and the names SEAMAN, CRONK, and GRUMMON/GRUMMOND. Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
---2131480384-342241519-924790691=:15270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline For your info. Terry note: forwarded msg attached. === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ---2131480384-342241519-924790691=:15270 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <OHVANWER-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (204.212.38.30) by mta2.rocketmail.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 1999 06:29:10 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA16384; Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:47:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Dlkgen@aol.com Message-ID: <acaaa71d.24508225@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:46:13 EDT Old-To: OHCLINTO-L@rootsweb.com, OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Reply-To: Dlkgen@aol.com Subject: [OHVANWER-L] English emigration to the American colonies Resent-Message-ID: <6xgbDC.A.2_D.6hyH3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/388 X-Loop: OHVANWER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: OHVANWER-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Length: 2221 A correspondent asked for more specifics on the records kept in England of people emigrating to the American colonies. He had been unable to find any information. One source to check is "The Complete Book of Emigrants." This is a series of books compiled by Peter Wilson Coldham and published by the Baltimore Genealogical Publishing Co. The complete set is available on CD ROM: <http://www.familytreemaker.com/catalog/index.html>. Coldham consulted many sources in England and the U.S. when abstracting the information for his books. Here are two examples of actions that resulted in "emigration records": (1) English law in 1606 required emigrants to obtain a license, take an oath of allegiance, and submit to examination (few of these records survive); (2) Planters in the American colonies were awarded acreage for each indentured servant brought to the colonies. And as a result, many children and young people were forcibly deported or abducted. Bridewell, a home for the destitute, became a source for indentured servants. Not all went willingly. In 1645 the English parliament Ordered that departing ships be searched to apprehend and bring to justice those who were conveying or receiving children. In 1654 the Bristol Common Council ordered that a register be kept of indentures in an attempt to stop the trade in kidnapped children. Coldham says, "It would have been inconceivable to a 17th-century Englishman to picture Virginia as anything but a disreputable colony since it was largely peopled by the scourings from English prisons, vagrants, waifs, and strays, and those lured into migration by promises of land and wealth." His publications are a good place to start the search. He cites his sources. PERMISSION TO REPRINT articles from ROOTSWEB REVIEW is granted unless specifically stated otherwise, PROVIDED: (1) the reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and (2) the following notice appears at the end of the article: Written by Brian Bonner Mavrogeorge, email Brian_Mavrogeorge@broder.com Previously published by RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative, RootsWeb Review, Vol. 2, No. 16, 21 April 1999. Please visit RootsWeb's main Web page at <http://www.rootsweb.com/> ---2131480384-342241519-924790691=:15270--
Try this site: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ The Free BMD Project's objective is to provide free Internet access to the Civil Registration index information for England and Wales. The Civil Registration system has been in place since 1837. The FreeBMD Project will place Civil Registration index information that is greater than 100 years old on the Internet. Therefore, the span of years covered by the project is currently the 62-year period from 1837 through 1898. Approximately 100,000 records (about 0.05% of the total) are in the database, so you should not expect to find your relatives there yet, although you might. FreeBMD is a very new project and is looking for volunteer transcribers. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Anyone familiar with SEAMAN folks in Mecosta Co, MI ??? Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Wow!!!! Look at this site, it has just about every link you may want. http://www.hlol.com/Links.html Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Try this for some good Civil War references. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/3441/ Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
I am a junior in high school, taking a genealogy class. And I'm stuck on Robert Love. Robert Love is my 5 great grandfather. Robert was my familys first Love to come to America, he came from Ireland. Robert was born in 1786, I'm not sure what year he came to America. Robert married Deborah Semans in 1810 in Ohio Co, VA (now W. VA.) Robert and Deborah had a son named David Love born in 1812, Tyler Co, VA. Some of their other children were: James, Elizabeth, Frances, Simon, William, and Ellen. Robert died in 1847 Washington Twp, Miami Co, IN. I need some information about Robert parents and his immigration. I would appreciate any information anyone would have about Roberts family jill kcccs1@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Have you visited the threaded archives yet for the Seaman list? Try the following: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SEAMAN-L/ The messages for 1999 are organized according to the months. You will need to establish yourself by creating a user name and a password. (I understand that this procedure will keep spammers from harvesting our names.) I understand that at some time in the future, the pre-1999 messages will be added to the site. Until then, if you need them, contact me. Word to the wise - I had difficulty logging on until I realized that the list name MUST be all in caps. Carolyn Mussina Seaman Kinderhook, NY <gregseaman@berk.com>
In a message dated 99-04-16 07:24:16 EDT, you write: << There were SEAMANS [note final "s"] family members who migrated through the Mohawk River area westward. They seem to have lost the final "s" on their name in about Montgomery County. >> Tell me more about these SEAMANS. Mary
By accident I erased the query about Gilbert Seaman. I'd appreciate it if someone would send it again. Marilyn ---- Let us then be up and doing With a will for any fate. Still achieving, still pursuing, Learn to labor, and to wait. ---- It's by Longfellow. He must have been a genealogist.
Can anyone shed any light on this one: Benjamin B. SEAMAN b abt 1846 d ? Res Sodus Point, Wayne Co NY 1867-8, Lawyer, farmer m Delia A. ? b abt 1846 d 1869 Huron, Wayne Co NY Terry === Terry Wilson 40 S. Gamble Street Shelby, OH 44875 Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, HARLAN/HARLAND, HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
The Time Magazine Cover Story is on genealogy. I am VERY surprised that it survived the Yugoslavia coverage.
-----Original Message----- From: Ken woodall <KENGENEWOODALL@webtv.net> To: jmrubins@napanet.net <jmrubins@napanet.net> Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:20 AM Subject: loyalist information i have no info for your seaman line, but my mpo1 john stevenson from the hms rose, lived in ny county and had 600 lbs. of property confiscated. i am looking for source info. for the INFO on LOYALIST CONFISCATION. he was given town lot and then 200 acres on anna road shelburne but i believe was back in u.s. albany co by 1790, thank you. ========================================= There are multiple catalogues of property confiscations on both the "Patriot" and "Loyalist" sides. The "Patriot" side records are kept by state and often county of confiscation. The "Loyalist" records came about because of King George wanting testimony from Loyalists before he would authorize reimbursement and transportation to the "New Land". A Loyalist web site is at: http://www.magma.ca/~ekipp/ueltalk/ueltalk.htm The United Empire Loyalists web page is located at: http://www.sjfn.nb.ca/community_hall/u/unit7054.html There are a LOT of books, for example: http://www.gov.on.ca/MBS/english/its_ontario/gall/way.html Some Ontario, Canada sites are listed at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/indexon.htm If you Stevenson lived in New York County you can search the NY State Library System at: http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/ The Library of Congress also has a broader based collection which can be searched at: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/resdev/ess/ The Mormon Church Family History Center has opened up an experimental search site that may also be helpful. It isn't always working but when it is you can get the number of the microfilm that would have the books you are looking for. http://www.familysearch.org/default.asp Major University and State Libraries also have large genealogical collections that might have the volumes that you are looking for. There was a web site for United Empire Loyalists that listed much of the information you may be seeking. Unfortuantely the Loyalist confiscated property page has been moved and I can no longer find it. There is a commercial Canadian Genealogical web site at: http://www.ingeneas.com/ A good list of New York State Genealogical Research sites is at: http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/USA/ny.html and several in Ontario that are free. New Brunswick and Novia Scotia Libraries had some sites but they also have moved so my links are now coming up dead. Do a web search on "LOYALISTS" using several of the web search engines and you should turn up someting to get you started. http://www.yahoo.com/ http://www.lycos.com/cgi-bin/pursuit?query=Loyalists&cat=lycos&matchmode=and &first=11 http://www.huroned.edu.on.ca/BrookSidePS/loyaljv2.htm Please let us know what you turn up!
Can you tell me something more about the age of this William Seaman in Washington Co., PA? Sabra Seamans, who moved west from Nova Scotia around 1790 to Marietta, OH with the Gilbert Seamans clan, had a son before marriage named William Seamans. He was living in Muskingum Co, OH, in 1815-1817, but after that, I don't know. Others in this clan dropped the final 's' around this time. William's uncle Samuel died in late 1814 in Putnam, Muskingum Co., OH, with several children: Gilbert, Samuel, Sarah, Martha, and Harrison. They would have been 14 or under. Does anyone know what happened to them? Do they appear in NY or PA? Your help is much appreciated. Mahalo, Ed Stumpf
PLEASE let us know if you find a connection! There are some SEAMAN "Loyalists" that went to Ontario in Canada in 1783 who then migrated back to the Rochester, NY area. There were SEAMANS [note final "s"] family members who migrated through the Mohawk River area westward. They seem to have lost the final "s" on their name in about Montgomery County. There are the elusive William SEAMAN progeny which spread out from Washington Co., PA north into Western NY. And there are other SEAMAN family lines that arrived from Germany and England. So keep doggin' the data. Hopefully we will eventually be able to rule them in or out. -----Original Message----- From: Terry Wilson <twilson11@rocketmail.com> To: SEAMAN-L@rootsweb.com <SEAMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 7:44 AM Subject: [SEAMAN-L] SEAMANs in Western NY >I know - I'm a pest but what the heck - it's a job. > >I have this cluster of SEAMAN folks in Wayne Co NY & >lack the ties. Can anyone shed light on whether or >not these folks tie together or if they are just >aliens from outer space?????? >------------- >Albert SEAMAN >S/o Samuel, s/o Samuel, s/o Samuel, s/o John >b 1762 >d 29 Jan 1846 Palmyra, Wayne Co, NY > m Elizabeth ? bef 1797 > b abt 1766 > d 29 Oct 1847 Palmyra, Wayne Co, NY > children: > Lewis res Palmyra, Wayne Co NY > Charlotte b 1798 m DOUGHTY d 3 Dec 1856 > Randolf res Horseheads, Chemung Co NY > Leonard L. b 1798 d 14 May 1873 Palmyra, Wayne Co > NY > m Mahala DOUGHTY 8 Jun 1820 Poughkeepsie, >Dutchess Co NY > b abt 1794 > d 13 Dec 1875 Palmyra, Wayne Co NY > children Seneca L b abt Feb 1830 d 8 May 1831 > Palmyra, Wayne Co NY >-------------- >Benjamin B. SEAMAN >b abt 1846 >d ? >Res Sodus Point, Wayne Co NY 1867-8, Lawyer, farmer > m Delia A. ? > b abt 1846 > d 1869 Huron, Wayne Co NY >---------------- >H. F. SEAMAN >b 1843 >d 1914 Sodus, Wayne Co NY >doctor > m Augusta C. ? > b 1850 > d 1934 Sodus, Wayne Co NY >------------- >L. E. SEAMAN >b abt 1841 >d 18 Apr 1875 >Civil war Vet bur Maple Grove Cem >res Galen, Wayne Co NY >------------- >Harry SEAMAN >Doctor >res Sodus Center, Wayne Co NY 1867-8 >------------------ >James F. SEAMAN >B 11 Sep 1852 >D 8 May 1882 Wolcott, Wayne Co NY >-------------- >Elizabeth Q. SEAMAN >B 1846 >D 1922 Red Creek, Wayne Co NY >-------------- >Catherine H. SEAMAN >B abt 1828 >D ? >Res Palmyra, Wayne Co 1848 > M Oliver ALLEN 27 Apr 1848 Palmyra, Wayne Co NY > B abt 1823 > D ? > Res Wheatland, Wayne Co NY 1848 >--------------- >John SEAMAN >B 1818 Ramapo, Rockland Co NY >D 1891 Macedon, Wayne Co NY >Res Rockland Co NY 1848 >Res Macedon, Wayne Co NY 1867-8 >farmer > M Elizabeth FRITTS 26 May 1848 Macedon, Wayne Co NY > B 7 Oct 1815 Monroe, Orange Co NY > D 29 May 1896 Mecadon, Wayne Co NY > Res Macedon, Wayne Co NY 1848 > children > Charles b 29 Apr 1849 Macedon, Wayne Co, NY D ? >------------ >James G. SEAMAN Jr >B 18 Sep 1822 NY >D 27 Jul 1896 Barry Co MI >Res Savannah, Wayne Co MI 1847, 1849, 1850 > M Harriett J. JENNING/JENNINGS 24 Sep 1847 >Savannah, Wayne Co, NY > B 15 Mar 1832 NY > D 16 Mar 1866 Barry Co, MI > Res w/hus >------------- >James G. SEAMAN, Sr >B abt 1801 NY/NJ >D aft 7 Nov 1876 MI > Res Westchester Co NY 1822, Wayne Co NY 1840, moved > to Barry Co MI 1849 > M Mary CRONK 1822 Yorktown Heights,Westchester Co NY > B 27 Jun 1802 NY > D 7 Nov 1876 Barry Co MI > Res w/hus > > > > > >=== >Terry Wilson >40 S. Gamble Street >Shelby, OH 44875 >Researching: ALLEN, COLTMAN, EDMAN, FERRIS, >HARLAN/HARLAND, >HOLLENBAUGH, HORNER, JANNY/JANNEY/JENNING, KELLER, >KLINKLE, KRUNK/CRUNK/CRONK,MARING/MEARING, MAY, >McCORMIC/McCORMICK, SEAMAN, SHOMO, SIFFERLIN, >TOUSLEY/TOSELEY, & WILSON > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >
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