TRY RAY HARRIS IN ROCK HILL, SC LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS A PROBLEM IN FINDING HIM....I THINK HE IS A JR.,,,THE WIDOW OF SR. IS THELMA AND IS STILL LIVING. LET ME HEAR FROM YOU....

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FdB.2ACE/543.1 Message Board Post: I have most of the Brannons and Bolins that you mention. Please e-mail me privately and let me know exactly what info you need, and for whom. Perhaps we can help each other. Bob Bolin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Brannon, Brandon, Moss, Bolin, roach Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FdB.2ACE/543 Message Board Post: Need any info on William Lester Brannon who married a Sally Bolin, William Roach, Laura Elizabeth Roach. Belle Moss. I believe all lived in the Hickory Grove area. Also Wister brandon, Bud Brandon, Lister (Lester) Brannon/Brandon.

My point was this: mulatto always means some combination of black and white (look in the dictionary and in law books) Census takers were often wrong. (They may have put down mulatto--they could put down anything they wanted.) Louise Pettus > From: "Greg And Winnette" <gnw@rose.net> > Reply-To: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:42:49 -0500 > To: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCYORK] Re: Race shown on Census is not always right > Resent-From: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:45:06 -0700 > > I have to disagree with the statement Mulatto was always black and white. > Many of my family have been listed as white, mulatto and black all in the > same household. Never once were they listed as Indian. > > My middle sister is fair skinned, freckled, black hair and brilliant blue > eyes. She has two redheaded daughters. My oldest sister has olive > complexion, green eyes and black hair. I have olive complexion blue eyes > and was blonde. I have a fair skinned brown eyed son and a black eyed olive > compexioned daughter. > > My paternal grandmother was full blood Cherokee, my paternal Grandfather was > Irish, my maternal grandmother was an Irish Redhead and my maternal > grandfather was English. Those lines produced some of the most beautiful > children with diverse coloring. > > The census taker put down the color he thought was right. So, please never > think the color listed on a census is right. > > Winnette > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/02 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have to disagree with the statement Mulatto was always black and white. Many of my family have been listed as white, mulatto and black all in the same household. Never once were they listed as Indian. My middle sister is fair skinned, freckled, black hair and brilliant blue eyes. She has two redheaded daughters. My oldest sister has olive complexion, green eyes and black hair. I have olive complexion blue eyes and was blonde. I have a fair skinned brown eyed son and a black eyed olive compexioned daughter. My paternal grandmother was full blood Cherokee, my paternal Grandfather was Irish, my maternal grandmother was an Irish Redhead and my maternal grandfather was English. Those lines produced some of the most beautiful children with diverse coloring. The census taker put down the color he thought was right. So, please never think the color listed on a census is right. Winnette --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 3/22/02

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Harris Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdB.2ACE/412.416.1 Message Board Post: We may have a connection here... Please contact me. My mother in law has been looking for her long lost Uncle Robert Lonnie Harris. He left the family after his parents died. Please contact me!!!

Unfortunately, I don't have the Indian (male) name - that's the problem. The house is listed with a woman, Ruthy Dover, as the head of household - kids as mulatto. That's why I'm trying to figure out, if the man were in the house and Indian or Black, would they have not listed him? Janelle

Yes, an Indian could own land in SC at any time in the state's history. Would a white woman has been listed as head of household if she were married to an Indian is impossible to answer. It depends. She could have been head of household because the census taker thought so or she was home when the census taker came and asked who is the head of the household and she said she was. In short, there were no real guidelines as to how to determine who was the head of the household. However, in practice the husband is almost always listed--presumably "breadwinner" in our terminology would be the person who headed the household. She could have widow status and own the house. There are a lot of different scenarios to consider. Mulatto was always mixed black and white. In a census you will generally find "Ind" if Indian but it might be only "I" or could be "In," the blank to be filled in was small and maybe it depended on how large the census taker wrote. Louise Pettus > From: Cloversc@aol.com. > Reply-To: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:30:59 EST > To: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SCYORK] Census problem/mulatto > Resent-From: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:31:04 -0700 > > Does anyone know if Indians were allowed to own land in York Co. SC in 1850? > If a white woman were married to an Indian male or living with him, would she > > > have been listed as the head of household during that time? (The area of the > > > county does not appear to be in Indian lands.) > > I am trying to puzzle out a census on a woman in 1850, who is listed as > head of household in York Co. In 1860, some of her adult children are given > as mulatto on the census. No male head of household is given. Was mulatto > used for anyone of mixed race (i.e. either Indian or black?) > Janelle D. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone know if Indians were allowed to own land in York Co. SC in 1850? If a white woman were married to an Indian male or living with him, would she have been listed as the head of household during that time? (The area of the county does not appear to be in Indian lands.) I am trying to puzzle out a census on a woman in 1850, who is listed as head of household in York Co. In 1860, some of her adult children are given as mulatto on the census. No male head of household is given. Was mulatto used for anyone of mixed race (i.e. either Indian or black?) Janelle D.

Hello again Cousins!" Might any of you recognize the below family? Have thus far been at a loss to learn the given name of Aaron WATSON's wife, or the names of their four daughters and two sons. Name: Aaron WATSON Sex: M Birth: Est 1768/1770 Place: Chr: Place: Marr: Spouse: (f)-202240 Death: 1833 Place: Burial: Place: Father: James WATSON-198246 Mother: Jean CRAIG-1512 Notes------------------------------------------------------------------------ Of Dist. of York, SC. 1820 York Co., SC census, p 164. 0-2-0-0-1-0 2-1-1-1-0 War of 1812 Militia Lists: WATSON AARON B YOUNGBLOOD'S REG'T, SOUTH CAROLINA MIL. PRIVATE PRIVATE 220 602 CHILDREN-----------------------------------Born Approx- 1.(f) WATSON-202241 1808 2.(f) WATSON-202242 1810 3.(m) WATSON-202243 1812 4.(m) WATSON-202244 1814 5.(f) WATSON-202245 1816 6.(f) WATSON-202246 1818 Thank you for any and all help or assistance in our family's search for "Immigrant Ancestors and their Descendants!" TTYL Craig "Always Looking for Cousins!"

Hello again Cousins!" Might any of you recognize the below family? Have thus far been at a loss to learn the given name of Catherine CRAIG's husband, and whether or not they might have been the parents of any children. Name: Catherine CRAIG Sex: F Birth: 24 Nov 1797 Place: ,,SC Marr: Spouse: (m) CLARK-2214 Death: Place: Burial: Place: Father: James CRAIG-518 Mother: Mary MCKNIGHT-571 Notes--------------------------------------------------------------------- 1850 York Co., SC census, p 182. Thank you for any and all help or assistance in our family's search for "Immigrant Ancestors and their Descendants!" TTYL Craig "Always Looking for Cousins!"

Which Chambers' in particular?? My GG grandmother was married to a William H. (I think) Chambers prior to marrying James McCullough and having my G grandmother Jane C. McCullough & her sister Rebecca. The 1860 York County Census has them living with their mothers children from the Chambers union; John, Sarah & David. Do our families connect?? Lisa

THANKS ANYWAYS!!!! I PICKED UP ON SOME INFO VERY MUCH NEEDED RE SC....MY HUSBANDS FOLKS BEING FROM THE YORK AND UNION COUNTY AREA. MEEK, CHAMBERS, LOVE, SMITH. :-) Ruby

Louise, Don't give it a second thought. At least you didn't inform everyone on the Mecklenburg list that you just had a mammogram, like I did. Some lists allow you to hit reply, and it goes only to the person who posted the letter and not the whole membership. :-) Stay well. Janie

Thank you Louise! Much more answered than I asked!! Thanks, Lucy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Henry, Mcguinn, Moore, Wright Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdB.2ACE/42.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Marilyn, This is from Loydean, my wife. Eliza Ann Henry McGuinn Duffield is my paternal great-great-grandmother. Narcisa Henry Wright is her sister. Eliza named one of her daugthers Narcissa. Eliza and her first husband William A. Mcguinn moved to NcNairy County, Tennessee before 1842, probably from Rutherford County, NC, which is just north of York county SC, where our Henry ancestors lived. We know a Malcolm Henry of York county was the guardian of Eliza and some of her siblings, including a sister Harriet. So far we beleive Eliza's father is John, grandfather William and great-grandfather William Sr. We don't yet know her mother's name but her paternal grandmother is Roseanna Moore as you point out. We are eagerly looking forward to exchanging Henry family genealogy with you. Yours truly, WDA ballensr@adelphia.net end

Louise, How are you? It has been a very long time since we have corresponded. Thanks so much for such a detailed history of record keeping in York Co and South Carolina. If you don't mind, I'm going to share this with my "Smith" group in Tipton County, TN. So many of us have folks who originally came from the Carolinas. Perhaps this will help them. I had a post from a fellow Tipton County researcher who resides in Cleaveland, Ohio. She made a run down to Covington, TN, county seat for Tipton County, a couple of weeks ago. She said the remaining court house documents that "we" saved last year with our Internet blitz and your wonderful letter have now been moved into an archival state. A building was converted for this cause. She said it is small, but dry. There is a table for researchers to use, and a copy machine! This was such good news. It is not our ultimate goal, but I think our efforts last year to prevent more old documents from being destroyed has at least brought new respect to Tipton County documents and the county's history. Thanks again for all that you did to help us. Vicky Smith Gann New Mexico --- Louise Pettus <lpettus@cetlink.net> wrote: > The state of South Carolina did not require the > recording of marriages > until July 1, 1911. > In York County the task of recording marriages > was given to the probate > judge. In 1911 the probate judge was L. R. Williams. > He issued the first > York County marriage license to Lathern Brown > McFadden and Mollie Albright > of Rock Hill. > Until July 1, 1950 the record of the marriage > was preserved only in the > county in which the marriage occurred. There was no > state record. After July > 1, 1950, the state of South Carolina centralized all > of the marriage records > by placing them in the Bureau of Vital Statistics, a > division of the State > Board of Health. The Bureau of Vital Statistics was > not created until 1915 > and then kept only a record of births and deaths. > The state did not require > a record of births and deaths before January 1, > 1915. > For many years it was very easy to get married > and impossible to get > divorced. South Carolina was the last state in the > union to permit divorce. > It was not until 1950 that divorces were allowed and > not until July 1, 1962, > that the Bureau of Vital Statistics began keeping a > record of divorces. > The largest collection of Marriage and Death > Notices is at the South > Caroliniana Library on the University of South > Carolina campus in Columbia. > It is far from being inclusive. It is unfortunate > that South Carolina did > not follow the example of North Carolina and keep > vital statistics from the > beginning of statehood.) > Newspapers did publish some marriage notices, or > "hymeneals" but these > account for only a few of the marriages. A few > churches, or their pastors, > may have kept records but few have been preserved. > Historically, South > Carolina has treated births, marriages, and deaths > as private family matters > of no concern to the state unless these events also > were pertinent to other > matters such as marriage settlements that dealt with > titles to certain > properties held by the woman. > Records of births, marriages and deaths were > kept in Charleston by the > Church of England and after the Revolution were kept > by the Episcopal > Church, the successor of the Church of England, > until the 1850s. But York > County had no Church of England congregation at all > and few Episcopalians at > any time. The Presbyterian and Methodists seem not > to have kept these > records in the pre-Civil War period. Flint Hill > Baptist Church in Fort Mill > township is a notable exception, but, even there, > marriages and deaths are > recorded sporadically and births not at all. > Baptisms were recorded only by > name with no age attached. > > > > > From: Lucy Manson <lsm@easley.net> > > Reply-To: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:59:55 -0500 > > To: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [SCYORK] Birth record question > > Resent-From: SCYORK-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:57:40 -0700 > > > > Are there any birth records from the year 1905 > available for York > > County? I know that they were not required to > record them until later, > > but wanted to know if it was a county by county > decision, and did York > > record them at that time. > > > > THanks, Lucy > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/

Are there any birth records from the year 1905 available for York County? I know that they were not required to record them until later, but wanted to know if it was a county by county decision, and did York record them at that time. THanks, Lucy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Vineyard,Henderson,Castleberry Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdB.2ACE/542 Message Board Post: Iam looking for information on Ishmael Vineyard b.(?) in Germany d. 1799 Elbert County, GA He owned land at Yorkville 1785 Thank you Bill

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sweatt Swett Sweat Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FdB.2ACE/541 Message Board Post: Brick walls do tumble down. After such a long time with no luck, I hit pay dirt over the weekend. My gggrandfather, William Lowery Swett 1855-1921, has at least 3 brothers now. Sure would love to know if there are more. Siblings and spouses are: Alfred T Swett and Frances ? William Lowery Swett and Amanda Nipper, Nappier etc Robert F Swett and ????? Green Berry Swett and Sarah ? On Green Berry Swett obit in the Rock Hill SC paper. Green Berry Swett 02/13/1851 - 10/27/1929 buried at Neely Creek Cemetery in Leslie Comm of Rock Hill SC born in Tenn mother Lizzie Swett born in SC Nieces and Nephews listed in obit Name Place Dorothy Noland Pacolet SC Erskine E Swett Great Falls SC Howard Swett Kannapolis NC Jessie Bentley Lockhart SC Sam Swett Great Falls SC W J Swett** Catawba SC Alice Warmouth Rock Hill SC John Swett Los Angeles CA Lillie Rawdon Rock Hill SC Maggie Robinson Rock Hill SC Mattie Maddox Rock Hill SC Willie Kendall Rock Hill SC Clinton Swett Los Angeles CA Nelson Swett Los Angeles CA Rosa Lee Fields Central SC Sallie Workman Williamston SC ** This is supposed to be William G. He inherited Green's entire estate. Can anyone connect with this? Sure hope so. Would love to know the full names of spouses.