Hi Jim and Louise, Thats right abt the Catawba. My 6th gr grandfather was Jonnathon Barrett who lived with and like the Catawba Indians and was so well liked that Chief or king Haigler gave his dau. Jarmon "Jarfly" Haigler to Jonathon for a wife. They had Abel and Bathsheba Barrett who mar. Samuel Oxford and their dau Bathsheba Oxford mar Jacob Byler 11 who had a powder mill ansd it blew up killing him and several others. Jonnathon lived at the foot of a Mt and therefor the Mt became known as Barrett's Mt. along or close to the Catawba River in 1700's. Maybe you have heard of some of these people in your looking for imfo about this area. My Barnett also ended up mar to a direct line descendant of Jonnathon Barret and these Barnett's came from York Co S C My5th gr grandfather was Thomas barnett b av bt 1767 in York Co SC and he and his wife are bur. in the Bethel Church yard Cem there in York Co by the Bethel Church. They d in early befor I think 1850's. When the Catawba's fought the other Indians the white people took the Catawba women and children to Va for safety and when their fight was over then most went back to Va . Jarman died and Jonathon then mar. Elizabeth Henderson. Just thought you would like to add to more to your research, or maybe some of this you have seen. Descendat, Maxine Baldwin in Roy, Wa [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Louise Pettus <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [SCYORK-L] Indianland >Jim, >You have Indian Land confused--there are two Indian >Lands: >(1) is the community in Lancaster County that Hwy 521 >runs through from the NC line below Pineville down to a >point almost to the Andrew Jackson State Park (you said >it was in York County, this community isn't). >(2) historically there was the Catawba Indian Land which >was an area designated by the Treaty of Augusta in 1763 >(at end of French and Indian Wars) as a reservation for >the Catawba Indians. It was an area of 144,000 acres or >approximately 15 miles square and was ended by the >Nation Ford Treaty of 1840. In today's terms that Catawba >Indian Land took in much of the Lancaster County present- >day Indian Land but not all (not the communnity of Osceola >which is below Twelve Mile Creek and is a part of Indian >Land township). In York County the Catawba Indian Land >encompassed all of present-day Fort Mill township and >then westward of the Catawba River in a way that is hard >to define but if you look at Tega Cay in Fort Mill township >on a map and draw an imaginary line southwestward and >do a right angle that takes you between Rock Hill and >McConnells and go straight on dipping a half mile south >of the York-Chester County line and right angle that >toward the east on the York County side to go to the Catawba >river directly opposite where Twelve Mile Creek empties >into the Catawba on the east side (just barely north of >the Borel Brick Plant at Van Wyck) then you have drawn >a rough map of the Catawba Indian Land. There was a long >suit between the Catawba Indians that began in the 1970s >and ended in 1993 in which the Catawbas claimed the >pre-1840 Indian Land on the basis that SC never lived >up to the terms of the Nation Ford Treaty and never >took the treaty to the U. S. Congress to be ratified (all true). >The Catawbas finally made a cash settlement with the State >of SC. So when you hear the term Catawba Indian Land it >means something different from the Indian Land >community. >They call it Nations Ford Road in Charlotte and the street >signs of Rock Hill also say Nations Ford, but the correct >spelling is Nation Ford (correct by the SC Archives >standards for historical markers, there was a post office >called Nation Ford and the 1840 Treaty is the Nation Ford >Treaty). > >Louise Pettus >(PS: I was born in Indian Land, Lancaster County and my >family still live there.) > >Jim McDonald wrote: >> >> Indianland is a community in York County, SC which lies on Hwy 521 just >> south of Pineville, NC as you go toward Lancaster, SC. The Nations Ford >> probably refers to the crossing (ford) on the Catawba River where the >> Indians crossed the river. There is a Nations Ford Rd. which comes northward >> toward Charlotte,NC from the area around the Catawba River. Charlotte was >> built around a crossroads of Indian trails, hence there is a small community >> in the area called Inian Trail. >> Jim >

Jim, You have Indian Land confused--there are two Indian Lands: (1) is the community in Lancaster County that Hwy 521 runs through from the NC line below Pineville down to a point almost to the Andrew Jackson State Park (you said it was in York County, this community isn't). (2) historically there was the Catawba Indian Land which was an area designated by the Treaty of Augusta in 1763 (at end of French and Indian Wars) as a reservation for the Catawba Indians. It was an area of 144,000 acres or approximately 15 miles square and was ended by the Nation Ford Treaty of 1840. In today's terms that Catawba Indian Land took in much of the Lancaster County present- day Indian Land but not all (not the communnity of Osceola which is below Twelve Mile Creek and is a part of Indian Land township). In York County the Catawba Indian Land encompassed all of present-day Fort Mill township and then westward of the Catawba River in a way that is hard to define but if you look at Tega Cay in Fort Mill township on a map and draw an imaginary line southwestward and do a right angle that takes you between Rock Hill and McConnells and go straight on dipping a half mile south of the York-Chester County line and right angle that toward the east on the York County side to go to the Catawba river directly opposite where Twelve Mile Creek empties into the Catawba on the east side (just barely north of the Borel Brick Plant at Van Wyck) then you have drawn a rough map of the Catawba Indian Land. There was a long suit between the Catawba Indians that began in the 1970s and ended in 1993 in which the Catawbas claimed the pre-1840 Indian Land on the basis that SC never lived up to the terms of the Nation Ford Treaty and never took the treaty to the U. S. Congress to be ratified (all true). The Catawbas finally made a cash settlement with the State of SC. So when you hear the term Catawba Indian Land it means something different from the Indian Land community. They call it Nations Ford Road in Charlotte and the street signs of Rock Hill also say Nations Ford, but the correct spelling is Nation Ford (correct by the SC Archives standards for historical markers, there was a post office called Nation Ford and the 1840 Treaty is the Nation Ford Treaty). Louise Pettus (PS: I was born in Indian Land, Lancaster County and my family still live there.) Jim McDonald wrote: > > Indianland is a community in York County, SC which lies on Hwy 521 just > south of Pineville, NC as you go toward Lancaster, SC. The Nations Ford > probably refers to the crossing (ford) on the Catawba River where the > Indians crossed the river. There is a Nations Ford Rd. which comes northward > toward Charlotte,NC from the area around the Catawba River. Charlotte was > built around a crossroads of Indian trails, hence there is a small community > in the area called Inian Trail. > Jim

I forgot to mention that the area I tried to describe in my previous e-mail was part of the Catawba Indian Reservation which has been in the local news off and on for many years because the Catawbas were denied their rights to the land that they were promised. Jim

Indianland is a community in York County, SC which lies on Hwy 521 just south of Pineville, NC as you go toward Lancaster, SC. The Nations Ford probably refers to the crossing (ford) on the Catawba River where the Indians crossed the river. There is a Nations Ford Rd. which comes northward toward Charlotte,NC from the area around the Catawba River. Charlotte was built around a crossroads of Indian trails, hence there is a small community in the area called Inian Trail. Jim

Hello, I am researching the family of Thaddeus and Elizabeth Shirley. Thaddeus died in York County on 29 November 1840 (according to a compilation of Newspaper Marriage and Death Notices) "at his residence in the Indian Land, near the Nation Ford ...." Could someone translate that into a modern location for me? Thank you, Sharon Bryant

FISHING CREEK: Stream: Chester: 343539N 0805344W: Great Falls SOUTH FORK FISHING CREEK: Stream: Chester: 344715N 08010150W Edgemoor FISHING CREEK RESERVOIR: Reservoir: Chester: 343604N 0810427W Fronie

Fishing Creek begins in central York County, has several forks and flows on down through Chester County and exits just above the Great Falls of the Catawba river. That is not far north of the town of Great Falls. It is a major creek. Louise Pettus

Out of curiosity, where was your Moses Feris born and when? I have a Mary Faris(b. 1820 Hagerstown MD; d. 1878 IL)who married a Neely in Maury Co. TN in 1838. Believe her father's name was William. Her grandfather's name may have been John and his father may have been Joseph(of Frederick co. MD). - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 (940)989-3489 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

I know this is a York Co. List, but does anyone know the whereabouts of "Fishing Creek" in Chester Co.? If someone could just give me the name of the nearest town to that locale, I would appreciate it. For all I know, Fishing Creek might run through York co. as well. There is a cemetery there attached to a Presbyterian Church that is full of my Neely ancestors, but I don't have a map that is up to the job. Any ideas? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 (940)989-3489 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks Curtis, The 1761 attack that you mentioned is the one that killed my ancestress, Sarah( ? )Ferguson, who was visiting the McKenna/McKinney home at the time. This other attack(if it really occured)would have involved the parents of Andrew Neely(think their names were John, b. 1722; d. 1783 and Elizabeth). But as you can plainly see, the info on them does not synch well with an Indian attack. I agree with you that 1783 would be rather late and very unlikely as the Cherokees were fairly well subdued by then. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 (940)989-3489 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

[email protected] wrote: > > Are there records of the Catawba Indians in York Co., that show marriages? > I'm looking for a name of a woman who married a Moses Faris/Farris probably > around 1800. There are no records of Catawba marriages and no records for the whites, either. SC did not require that marriage records be kept before 1911. Maybe some Faris/Farris family researchers have the information you seek. Louise Pettus

I cannot give you a precise location but know that Meeks Hill was in the central part of the county. I think a bit southwest of Yorkville. SC statute under the constitution of 1785 required new counties to locate their county seats in the center of the counties and York was in that group of counties. So, think of Yorkville as in the center of the county. Louise Pettus PS: Most of the 1860 locations which were polling places no longer exist but have been subsumed by townships. And, by the way, the taker of the census could not spell. "Tersey" should be Tirzah and it should be Coates' Tavern.

Are there records of the Catawba Indians in York Co., that show marriages? I'm looking for a name of a woman who married a Moses Faris/Farris probably around 1800.

Larry D. Hamilton Coats wrote: > > >From information that I have extracted on certain Neely families in > Maury Co. TN, I have traced some of them back to c. 1775-81, probably in > York Co. SC. The info I have is that several members of this family were > massacred in an Indian attack c. 1775-81. Does anyone have anything that > relates to the early history of York Co. that also would help pin down > the exact date/place of this massacre? Reply: There are/were many Neelys in the Catawba Indian Land of York County, SC and they were here early. However, I have never heard of any of them being massacred. If any were, it was not by the Catawba Indians who were quite friendly with the whites and often protected the local whites from invading tribes. There would be an occasional killing (a French traveler was killed by a Catawba who coveted his violin, for instance), no massacres. What were the names of your Neely ancestors? I have some information on Neelys although I am not a descendant and may be able to help a bit. Louise Pettus

Have never heard about this...however, it is very interesting...I will certainly keep my "antennas" out ... Do you know the location of Meeks Hill that is often referred to in the 1860 census of York County???

1860 York County Census Index Name Post Office Page Tally, Sarah Fort Mill 398 Tate, Andrew Clay Hill 417 Tate, Hugh Clay Hill 411 Tate, Martin L. Yorkville 416 Tate, Mary Yorkville 366 Tate, S. C. Tersey 390 Taylor, Benjamin Ebenezer 392 Teague, Kerby Clay Hill 417 Teague, Monroe Hopewell 501 Teague, William New Center 422 Templeton, J. G. Yorkville 436 Templeton, Sarah Yorkville 437 Teythgoe, G. Yorkville 374 Thomas, A. M. Sharon Valley 463 Thomas, David E. Sharon Valley 463 Thomas, Edward Yorkville 439 Thomas, John New Center 433 Thomas, Joseph Rock Hill 388 Thomas, Joseph A. New Center 433 Thomas, Martha Hickory Grove 504 Thomas, Martha Sharon Valley 463 Thomas, W. F. Sharon Valley 463 Thomason, H. C. Yorkville 429 Thomason, Dr. Harper Rock Hill 384 Thomason, James H. Yorkville 416 Thomason, James T. Coats Tavern 426 Thomason, Thomas Ebenezer 392 Thomason, William Clay Hill 406 Thomason, William P. Rock Hill 388 Thomson, E. Boydton 492 Thomson, E. D. Zeno 413 Thomson, John L. Ebenezer 393 Thomson, Margaret Antioch 485 Thorne, James Fort Mill 405 Timberlake, Easter Yorkville 369 Timberlake, R. Yorkville 372 Timm, John L. Fort Mill 395 Tims, William Coats Tavern 427 Tindall, Margaret Blairsville 451 Tippins, J. C. Guthriesville 377 Todd, William Coats Tavern 428 Tomason, Cyntha Clay Hill 406 Tomason, Eliza Yorkville 429 Tomason, F. B. New Center 426 Tomason, James Yorkville 429 Tomason, John M. New Center 434 Tomason, Pollard Clay Hill 410 Tomason, William Yorkville 430 Tomlin, John Yorkville 369 Tomlin, Leander Yorkville 408 Tomlison, John J. Yorkville 370 Tomlinson, Mary Fort Mill 402 Tomlinson, Peggey Yorkville 409 Tomlinson, William Yorkville 409 Torence, Betsy Yorkville 437 Torrain, Alonzo Yorkville 372 Trailer, M. M. Hopewell 501 Truesdell, John Fort Mill 395 Tucker, John L. Boydton 493 Turner, Barbara Hopewell 504 Turner, David E. Yorkville 435 Turner, Edward Harmony 480 Turner, George New Center 425 Turner, Jerry Yorkville 409 Turner, John Hopewell 416 Turner, Martha Clarks Fork 509 Turner, Robert New Center 423 Turner, Robert A. Meeks Hill 472 Turner, Robinson Rock Hill 394 Turner, Thomas New Center 423 Turner, William Fort Mill 404 Turner, William Hickory Grove 504 Turner, William Zeno 418 Turney, John Clay Hill 410 Tyson, H. G. Ebenezer 392

I think the time frame of 1775-81 is late for Indian massacre in SC. The Cherokee War was over in 1761 or there about. A little further south than York, on Rocky Creek in Chester District (actually either Craven or Camden-as I forget the dates of boundary and name changes) in the family of John McDonald, he and his wife were killed in August 1761 and their seven children carried off by the Indians. Captain Steele and a posse of neighbors rescued the children and killed the Indians. Earlier on Fishing Creek the Cherokees attacked the McKenny family, scalped Mrs. McKenny and tried to carry her off but she resisted. Raids most likely occurred in York also. Curtis

What are the dates as to the time period you are looking for? This will help a lot. Ernie Traylor ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SCYORK-L] SC>GA>AL DAWSON line > Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 10:35 AM > > Hi everyone, > there are several descendants of James McCord Dawson who was in York SC for > the birth of his first child with his second wife, Messina Nichols, probably > daughter of Daniel Nichols, on the list. > > We have found info on Messina but not James, as yet. James first wife was > also a Nichols but we don't know her name. Does anyone have any suggestion > on where to look. Yorkville, York, SC is on the border of NC. > > Have found the marriage of a James Dawson and Elizabeth Nichols but the > timing is wrong. I think ther is a marriage of an Isaac Dawson and Elizabeth > McCord but don't have that info in front of me. James, Messina and their > children and in laws moved to GA and some on to north AL > > Are there any ties of DAWSON lines from SC that lead back to NC VA or MD? > > Thanks for any suggestions > Doris Mayer Reece

>From information that I have extracted on certain Neely families in Maury Co. TN, I have traced some of them back to c. 1775-81, probably in York Co. SC. The info I have is that several members of this family were massacred in an Indian attack c. 1775-81. Does anyone have anything that relates to the early history of York Co. that also would help pin down the exact date/place of this massacre? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Larry D. Hamilton Coats P.O. Box 823 Aspermont, TX 79502 (940)989-3489 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi everyone, there are several descendants of James McCord Dawson who was in York SC for the birth of his first child with his second wife, Messina Nichols, probably daughter of Daniel Nichols, on the list. We have found info on Messina but not James, as yet. James first wife was also a Nichols but we don't know her name. Does anyone have any suggestion on where to look. Yorkville, York, SC is on the border of NC. Have found the marriage of a James Dawson and Elizabeth Nichols but the timing is wrong. I think ther is a marriage of an Isaac Dawson and Elizabeth McCord but don't have that info in front of me. James, Messina and their children and in laws moved to GA and some on to north AL Are there any ties of DAWSON lines from SC that lead back to NC VA or MD? Thanks for any suggestions Doris Mayer Reece