Guys I'm new at this and not sure if I'm sending this to the correct email address. My gr great grandparents were Robert Brough "pavier" and Agnes Parker. Their children, Isabella1822, Agnes 1823, John 1825 William 1828, Robert 1830 who wrote a book called "tips for typos" (which costs over £300 to purchase) and Hugh 1833 who were all born Wigtown. Robert is on the 1841 census with his children listed as "widow" I'm trying to locate Agnes Parker who would have died in wigtown. I did come across this who I believe is my Robert 28.5.1852 at Galashiels, ultimo, suddenly Robert Brough pavier Stranrar. Robert was from England and I think he may have met Agnes in Wigtown. NANCY ________________________________ From: "sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com" <sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com> To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013, 8:00 Subject: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 92 ******************************************************************************** When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ******************************************************************************** 11 Feb 2013 All Wig list subscribers are in digest mode until list mode starts working again. ******************************************************************************** Today's Topics: 1. Subject: Peter Moore, Blacksmith of Stranraer (Malcolm Lockerbie) 2. Re: Parker / Harvey/ McCreadie (Bruce McDowall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 09:51:04 +0100 From: Malcolm Lockerbie <malcolmlockerbie@hotmail.com> Subject: [WIG LIST] Subject: Peter Moore, Blacksmith of Stranraer To: "SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com" <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DUB124-W16A2314DF2A6913EC0B925D0960@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Rosemary, Mary is listed as a Widow in 1861. I checked the Scotlands People index and there is not a death entry for a Peter Moore around his age between 1855-1861 in all Scotland! He either died before 1855 or not in Scotland. Possibly a lister with access to Stranraer MIs could see if he is there? Malcolm > From: sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 91 > To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 01:00:47 -0600 > > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 26 May 2013 21:36:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rosemary Omar <omarrosemary@yahoo.com.au> > Subject: [WIG LIST] Peter Moore, Blacksmith of Stranraer > To: "SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com" <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1369629372.95170.YahooMailNeo@web162503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Peter Moore ?born approx 1828 in Ireland. ? A blacksmith. ?Married 1 March 1851 in Stranraer ( query St Josephs) to Mary McGeoch (daughter of Thomas and Susan McGeoch) > Listed in 1851 census living with wife and her family. > Had a daughter Sarah Jane Moore born 1852 in Stranraer (she immigrated to New Zealand pre 1873) > Peter Moore is not in any following census, though his wife Mary and daughter appear in 1861 census. ? > Not sure what happened to him? > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 91 > *********************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 23:40:15 +1000 From: Bruce McDowall <milldriggan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Parker / Harvey/ McCreadie To: Elizabeth Pearse <r.e.pearse@sympatico.ca>, Wig List <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAC1_HmWTnmTAkeVdaywWRm05yNwjyb9fXB9o_-NExKV_SPmRqg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Elizabeth Pearse Wrote: Looking for info on Jane Harvey (Parker) who gave birth to James McCreadie approx. 1867 in Kirkcowan Trying to find her place of birth & year of death Have been told Jane died around 1934 & lived at one time in or around Leswalt Elizabeth Ont Canada - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hi Elizabeth, I have found some records of your Jane PARKER and her family. >From Scotlandspeople, Jane HARVEY, (other name PARKER), died in the parish of Inch, age 91, in 1934. Jane?s maiden name is given here as PARKER, but I found her family mostly recorded as PACKER. A John HARVEY died Leswalt 1921, age 72 Another died Stoneykirk 1923, age 77 Another died Stranraer 1923, age 80 The one in Leswalt in 1921 looks the most likely. Here are the details from Jane?s marriage registration: Kirkcowan Marriages 1871, No5. First June at Kirkcowan. John HARVEY, Ploughman, Bachelor, age 22, Usual residence Old Luce, parents John HARVEY, Labourer & Catherine McCARTNEY (deseased). Jane PACKER, Spinster, age 23, Usual residence Old Luce, parents John PACKER, Pensioner (deceased) & Margaret GRANT The following, from FreeCEN, appears to be her family in the 1851 census: 1851 Census Piece: SCT1851/888 Place: Kirkcowan -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 5 Civil Parish: Kirkcowan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 870 Page: 14 Schedule: 47 Address: Cottage Surname / First name(s) / Rel / Status / Sex / Age / Occupation / Where Born PACKER / Margaret / Head / W / F / 40 / Labourer / Ireland - - PACKER / Mary / Dau / U / F / 12 / Scholar / Ireland - - PACKER / Jane / Dau / - / F / 7 / Scholar / Wigtownshire - Kirkcowan PACKER / Margaret / Dau / - / F / 5 / Scholar / Wigtownshire - Kirkcowan Assuming this is the same Jane PACKER, she was actually 27 at marriage, not 23 as she claimed. That is not remarkable, as it was common practice for adults to fib about their age during their working years. She would have been 18 when James PACKER / McCREADIE was born. He was born in 1862 rather than 1867. My guess is that the estimate of 1867 resulted from fibbing about his age when an adult. The birth registration for James has a bonus, for directly above on the same page is a son Patrick, born to Jane?s sister, Mary PACKER. James PACKER was born 30 May 1862 at Kirkcowan Village and registered by his mother, Jane PACKER, domestic Servant. Patrick PACKER was born 19 May 1862 at Kirkcowan Village to Mary PACKER, and registered by his grandmother, Margaret Ann PACKER. Both James and Patrick were illegitimate. Both Jane and Mary had further illegitimate children. Jane had a daughter Margaret born Kirkcowan 13 Sep 1865, who died 17 Jul 1866. Mary had a son John born Kirkcowan 05 May 1865. Mary also had at least 3 children by Cornelius McVENION or McAVERY , in 1869, 1871 and 1873. They claimed to have married in Ayrshire in July 1860, but I failed to find this marriage registration on Scotlandspeople. Jane? other sister, Margaret, married William MARSHALL at Kirkcowan on 21 Oct 1862. Further details from Registration: William MARSHALL Labourer, 19 Barwhiil & Margaret PACKER, 17, Barwhill Parents Francis MARSHALL, Tinsmith & Margaret GILLESPIE and John PACKER, Labourer & Margaret GRANT This transcript from FreeCEN shows them in 1871: 1871 Census Piece: SCT1871/888 Place: Kirkcowan -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 2 Civil Parish: Kirkcowan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Kirkcowan Village Folio: 0 Page: 11 Schedule: 54 Address: 27 High St Surname / First name(s) / Rel / Status / Sex / Age / Occupation / Where Born MARSHALL / William / Head / M / M / 26 / Hostler / Wigtownshire - Mochrum MARSHALL / Margt / Wife / M / F / 23 / Hostler's Wife / Wigtownshire - Kirkcowan MARSHALL / William / Son / U / M / 7 / Scholar / Wigtownshire - Kirkcowan MARSHALL / Francis / Son / U / M/ 5 / Scholar / Wigtownshire - Kirkcowan MARSHALL / John / Son / U / M / 3 / / Wigtownshire - Kirkcowan MARSHALL / Robert / Son / U / M / 2 / / Wigtownshire - Kirkcowan PACKER / Margt / Ma-Law / W / F / 69 / Ag Labourer / Ireland - - MCCREDIE / James / Nephew / U / M / 8 / Scholar / Wigtownshire - Kirkcowan Note that James was now using the surname of McCREDIE. The Registrar would have required his father to acknowledge paternity or for Jane to have a very strong case, in order to register him other than PACKER. The census Enumerator required no such proof. On census night, 06 April 1871, he would have been about 8 weeks short of his 9th birthday, so this is consistent with all other evidence of his identity. Jane PACKER & John HARVEY were not yet married, but at census time were both servants on the farm of Peter McDOWALL in the parish of Old Luce: Old Luce, 1871, district 2, page 12, West Challoch. Peter McDowall / Head / Mar / 60 / / Farmer of 209 acres arable emp. 5 labourers / Wigtownshire Penninghame Marget(sic) Do / Wife / Mar / / 53 / / Do Kirkcowan William Do / Son / Unm / 35 / / / Do Inch Marget(sic) Do / Grand Daur / Unm / / 16 / / Do Old Luce James Ketchie / Servant / Widr / 51 / / Ploughman / Do Stoneykirk John Harvie / Do / Unm / 22 / / Do / Do Leswalt Jean Packer / Do / Unm / / 24 / Dairymaid / Do Kirkcowan Helen McDowall / Do / Unm / / 24 / General Servant / Do Stoneykirk James Agnew / Servant / Mar / 51 / / Shepherd / Ayrshire Ballantrae 7 rooms with at least one window. This is a transcript I have on file from several years ago, when I noted all the McDOWALL households in the county in the 1871 census. Here is the FreeCEN transcript for Mary PACKER in 1871: 1871 Census Piece: SCT1871/888 Place: Kirkcowan -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 4 Civil Parish: Kirkcowan Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 0 Page: 3 Schedule: 10 Address: Kiltersan Hamlet Surname / First name(s) / Rel / Status / Sex / Age / Occupation / Where Born MCAVENY / Cornelius / Head / M / M / 35 / Labourer / Ireland - - MCAVENY / Mary / Wife / M / F / 29 / Labourer / WIG - Kirkcowan MCAVENY / John / Son / - / M / 5 / / WIG - Kirkcowan MCAVENY / Margret J / Dau / - / F / 1 / / WIG - Kirkcowan >From Scotlandspeople: A Mary PACKER died 1909 Kilmarnock, AYR, age 70, but it is doubtful this is the one. I haven?t found a death for Cornelius. Maybe they left Scotland. Margaret MARSHALL, other name PACKER, died Kirkcowan 1878, age 31. William MARSHALL died Penninghame 1926, age 84. Jane PACKER?s mother died in 1891 Registration details: Margaret PACKER, (other name GRANT), widow of John PACKER, soldier, died age 90, Kirkcowan, 26 March 1891, Father James GRANT, miller, mother Jane GRAHAM. Witness R. MARSHALL, grandson, present. I looked at the LDS film of the Kirkcowan baptism register, but could not find a record of your Jane PACKER or her sister Margaret. Their births were at the time of a major disruption of the Church of Scotland, with many turning to the Free Church which was formed in 1843. There were always a number of dissenting families, which is one of many reasons why so many children were not recorded in the OPRs. Perhaps this was a factor here, perhaps not. Regards, Bruce McDowall ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. 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