Well, I think I really do need a keeper! Olive McDonald respectfully corrected me on the name of her friend John MURPHY, not Martin, who confirmed the full brithdate for my grandfather Peter Clint of Newton Stewart, Wig. Just let's say that maybe I was dwelling in the past back to my salad days when I used to go "winching" the wee fella across the street whose last name was Martin. Wakey-wakey, Maisie