Irish connections the American way--my husband's GGF and GGM on his father's side were in Wigtownshire, born in Ireland, his GF immigrated to Wales, his father immigrated from there to Canada and then to the US. We're assuming they were Scots-Irish as the GGF was buried in Glasserton Kirkyard. The name was SCOTT. On my side, my GGM on my mother's side was born in Ireland, maiden name SMITH. They were Catholic. It is possible that the GGM's mother was the sister of a priest. The GGM married a man-- Thomas KING--who was said to be from Australia (on the death certif. of my GM, his daughter), but the most likely candidate we've followed in the US census is identified there as from Ireland. So, we don't know if someone lied (it wasn't popular to be Irish in Brooklyn, NY--"Help wanted--no Irish need apply") or if he went from Ireland to Australia to America. The family story was that he went off to the US Civil War, died, was buried in Arlington National Cemetery. But, a professional genealogist hired in the past was not able to find records of that and his wife apparently never received a widow's pension, so it is quite possible that he deserted. Many did. The Catholic GM--KING--married a GORDON who had probably been in New Jersey, US since the same time that so many Scots went to Ireland. And I'm having more brick walls on that old American link than on the Scottish ones. And don't you know there must have been hell to pay in both families when that one got together!! (And, to make matters "worse," the GORDON's mother was a SNEDEKER--Dutch in US since 1640s, an ancestor a prominent member of the old Dutch Reform church in the US. Helen KING GORDON was buried in Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery in NY. Her husband was not. On my father's side, my GM was born in Broughty Ferry, Scotland--CAMERON and GRAHAM. His father was b. in the US, married a TILLERAY from Aberdeen, daughter of a MILNE from Aberdeen. My GGF on that side--THOMSON--was also from the Banffshire/Aberdeenshire area. So, Scottish, Irish from a couple of different directions, Catholic, Protestant, Dutch--I love them all for getting me here! I figure we've got a good representation of the British Isles between the 2 of us! But, with names like KING, SMITH (John, to make matters worse), GORDON, THOMSON--I've got brick walls to spare! Lynn in Florida -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 11:41 PM To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 111 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Irish Connections and St. Patrick (Carnahan Ranch) 2. HAWKINS (DIANA HENRY) 3. Re: HAWKINS (Crawford MacKeand) 4. Given name: Nathan (Lynne Gray-Ross) 5. Hannah - McIntyre (Wayne Hannay) 6. Patron Saints (jody allen) 7. Re: Patron Saints (guycolbyiv@att.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:24:21 -0600 From: "Carnahan Ranch" <carnahanranch@starband.net> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004901c76971$851deba0$ea294094@Bess> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hey listers! Hoping not to start an ethnicity war, here is a pretty good reason for the brick walls for the Irish. No doubt, the Irish invented them! The list makers were the English. The Irish kept their genealogy in their heads. The English wanted TAXES and MORE TAXES, and STILL MORE. If you were Irish and your name got on a list, you had to pay. If you had a hearth, you paid taxes. If you had more than one hearth, you paid more taxes. Their were spinning wheel taxes, barn taxes, and so on. Thus the Irish were not very forthcoming with their names. And they had such brogues that the English couldn't understand them. All the better - no understanding, no taxes. And the English census taker was no doubt bored. Thus many Irish didn't make any lists or public records...on purpose. To this day, there are a few members of the Carnahan/Kernohan clan that live in Ireland. They keep to themselves and firmly believe that the "good Lord keeps the only lists that need to be kept". Slainte Bess Carnahan, researching Clan Cearnach?in ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Mitchell Mob" <bradybunch13@aapt.net.au> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick > Well said, I think the Irish invented the brick wall too. I think they > built them a lot larger than the average too, by the sounds of it. There > are a good many people complaining about how hard their Irish ancestors > are > to find, and I don't blame them. I would even go as far as saying it > would > probably be easier to kiss the Blarney Stone. Luck o' the Irish to yer. > > Kaaron > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Crawford MacKeand" <jcbmck@UDel.Edu> > To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:06 PM > Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick > > >> Nobody has yet mentioned Ireland in connection with brick walls, but I'd >> come to the conclusion that that is where they all come from!!! Or maybe >> they were invented there? I have a few, both connections and walls, but >> then my Irish are Ayrshire and not Wigtown related. >> I wonder whether it will provoke as many listings when (and if) I >> remember >> to suggest that we think of our English connections on St. George's >> Day?!! >> >> Crawford. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:16:04 -0000 From: "DIANA HENRY" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com> Subject: [WIG LIST] HAWKINS To: "sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001201c76970$59424f40$b3357ad5@user31016f6bce> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a mystery surrounding my Daniel Hawkins. In the MI he died November 1851 aged 91. His wife, Helen McCredie is listed as a widow aged 71 in the census. (He is not listed). Presumably the census was taken earlier in the year, so why is she a widow if he did not die until November.? Can anyone unravel this? Diana ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:51:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Crawford MacKeand <jcbmck@UDel.Edu> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] HAWKINS To: DIANA HENRY <dianahhenry@btinternet.com> Cc: "sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.60L.0703181147110.27036@copland.udel.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, DIANA HENRY wrote: There is a mystery surrounding my Daniel Hawkins. In the MI he died November 1851 aged 91. His wife, Helen McCredie is listed as a widow aged 71 in the census. (He is not listed). Presumably the census was taken earlier in the year, so why is she a widow if he did not die until November.? Can anyone unravel this? Hi Diana, It seems to me that the census was likely taken when we think it was taken. If so, then maybe the MI is just out in its reckoning and he died in 1850 (or earlier). When was the stone erected? Any clues there? If a while later, then surprise, surprise at any discrepancy!! Crawford. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:33:28 -0400 From: "Lynne Gray-Ross" <lgray@ntl.sympatico.ca> Subject: [WIG LIST] Given name: Nathan To: "SCT-Wigtownshire-L@rootsweb.com" <SCT-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000601c76983$8ad314f0$70e1e2d1@yourb2780d08ab> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Marilyn: I only have two siblings listed for Elizabeth Kniblo Galloway. But, her second son was baptized Nathan which somehow changed to Sholto Douglas. When the family emigrated, they left with a large number of families who settled in Adelaide Twp. I have not seen any Kniblo or any distorted spellings. There are Boyd though. Cheers, Lynne ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:26:04 -0700 From: Wayne Hannay <wayne.hannay@shaw.ca> Subject: [WIG LIST] Hannah - McIntyre To: Wigtownshire List <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000e01c76993$45703900$94545118@wayneodhima73v> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Marc. Unfortunately I can`t really help much with your Janet Hannay. You probably know that they married 04 Apr 1789 Inch Parish Wigtownshire. There are three children recorded: Margaret McIntyre birth 22 Jun 1795 Glasgow Lanark. (probably died at birth) Margaret MACintyre birth 01 Sep 1801 Eastwood Renfrew William McIntyre 17 Mar 1804 Eastwood Renfrew I think you can assume that William McIntyre and Janet Hannay were married at the home of the bride in Wigtownshire. I think you can also assume that William was from Lanark or Renfrew. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Archer" <***> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Hannah - McIntyre > Is anyone familiar with the Janet Hannay who m. William McIntyre in > 1789 in Inch? I can find nothing further on them. > > Thanks, > > Marc Archer > Flint, MI > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:51:11 -0500 From: "jody allen" <fraochale@gmail.com> Subject: [WIG LIST] Patron Saints To: "Crawford MacKeand" <jcbmck@udel.edu> Cc: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7172658c0703181951j6bf95b24nd93453e1c3c3f9bc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Here the patron saint days for the four countries of the British isles. Not sure if Mann aligns with Scotland or Wales? St George Day April 23 (England) St David March 1st (Wales) St Patrick March 17 (Ireland) St Andrew Nov 30th (Scotland) On 3/17/07, Crawford MacKeand <jcbmck@udel.edu> wrote: > > > > In respnse to Crawford's query about celebrating St. George's Day. I'm such > > a mix--my ancestors were from Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, yes, > > England. I'm an equal opportunity holiday celebrator. > > I do like that ecumenical approach! But I don't think I'll be betting good > money on the response rate for April 23rd! <grin> > > > Erin Go Braugh! > Not to forget the old tag line either -- > St. George for England, St. Pancras for Scotland. > > > Crawford. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jody Allen, Researching: Scotland: Wallace, Mctaggart, Clarke, Mckean(d), McCartney, Stewart Ireland: Lynch, Drought Wales: Williams, Walsh ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:40:37 +0000 From: guycolbyiv@att.net Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Patron Saints To: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <031920070340.7317.45FE0635000258DB00001C9521603760219007970D04010C979A09@at t.net> Content-Type: text/plain Jody -- The patron saint of the Isle of Man is St. Maughold (died ca 488 AD). He was supposedly converted and ordained by St. Patrick, who sent him to the Isle of Man as a missionary. His feast day is 28 December. Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX -------------- Original message from "jody allen" <fraochale@gmail.com>: -------------- > Here the patron saint days for the four countries of the British > isles. Not sure if Mann aligns with Scotland or Wales? > > St George Day April 23 (England) > > St David March 1st (Wales) > > St Patrick March 17 (Ireland) > > St Andrew Nov 30th (Scotland) ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. 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