----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Diana Henry <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 9:55:31 AM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] What 1512 record in Galloway would contain this reference? There is of course a Newton Stewart in Northern Ireland http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Tyrone%2C_Ireland the last paragraph refers to a castle there. Hope this helps. There is a family of McKinstrys living now in Wigtownshire. Diana Henry ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 3:21:26 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] What 1512 record in Galloway would contain this reference? Below is what I can find on the name McKinstry, which is apparently from Galloway, Scotland.  Historical records place the name all over Galloway and nowhere else.  I am particularly interesting in placing the following vague reference. ****  an exciting reference to a Marion McInnistrie being a Baillie in Newton Stewart in 1512. **** According to a topographical dictionary, Newton Stewart was founded by a son of the second Lord Stewart of Galloway or someone of that sort, in the 17th century and so did not exist in 1512.  "The town was founded in the mid 17th Century by William Stewart, youngest son of the 2nd Earl of Galloway. The "New Town of Stewart" was granted Burgh status by charter from KingCharles II allowing a weekly market and two annual fairs to be held." (This actually from Wikipedia) So this reference to Marion NcInnistrie might be somewhere in the area, near the southern coast of Galloway off of one of the inlets, and I gather that a Baillie was a mayor.  Was Marion McInnistrie a female?  If a male, that sure is one peculiar name for a rural Scotsman.  I'd like to find the reference if I could.  Does anyone know where to look for it? Black's surname dictionary, which does not contain the reference about Marion McInnistrie being a Baillie in Newton Stewart in 1512, and hardly gives sources for the information it does give, appears to cite someone else.  Does anyone know who and what Woulfe is?  I'd also love to find where the notion that McKinstry is Gaelic for "son of a traveller" came from, as distinct from the name is a local corruption of a more common Scottish name like McKenzie or McIntire.  I just submitted to Family Tree DNA a Y DNA sample of the father of my brother in law, who is a male line descendant of William Mckinstry of Sturbridge, Massachusetts, who came allegedly from Carrickfergus, Ireland, just across the North Sea from Galloway, and married Mary Morse, in the 18th century.  I would love to find any McKinstry descendants who may appear on this list.  I tried writing Brian McKinstray, quoted above, several times but got no answer, though it sounds as if he and his wife really didn't keep track of that source they refer to, and therefore could be of no further help finding it. I wrote to Brian McKinstray, who comes across as a male line McKinstry,  asking him about donating a Y DNA sample as well, but for all his seeming excitement about tracing the McKinstry family history, I didn't hear back from him.  It does rather look as if McKinstry's are likely to be of a single lineage or possibly two, if the line that supposedly lived in Edinburg weren't the same family; and it would be worthwhile to do Y DNA testing of different McKinstry lines.  Since Brian McKinstray's line is apparently from Scotland and certainly not one of the New England lines, and tehre is real reason to suspect that the three New England lines are related to each other, if my brother in law's father should happen to match the Y DNA of someone like Brian MacKinstray, that would make a strong case for just one McKinstry family group.  Yours, Dora Smith Scots Kith and Kin, Revised 2nd edition. Mackinstry  Galway, 16th century Black, The Surnames of Scotland, 1979. MacKinstry.  Formerly a Galloway surname.  M'Kinstrie 1593, M'Kynnistrie 1574.  Woulfe says Ir. Mac an Astrigh, 'son of the traveller' (Ir. aistrightheach), an Ulster surname, probably of Scottish origin.  http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Mckinstry  This is an anglicized form of the Olde Scots Gaelic name Mac An Aistrigh, a compound of the Gaelic elements "mac", meaning "so of", plus the definite article "an", and the personal\nickname Aistrigh (from "Aistreach", a traveller). The surname was originally chiefly found in Galloway and is first recorded there in the late 16th Century, (see below). A further variant M'Kinstrie appears in 1593. Today, the name is widespread in Northern Ireland, having been introduced by the Scottish settlers  ....  The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of M'Kynnistrie, which was dated 1574, Records of Galloway, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I, Good Queen Bess, 1558 - 1603. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Scottish names in Ulster Plantation..& McKinstry Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 17:38:34 -0600 Yes - my wife dug up this info some years ago while she was working with a college libraray in Hamilton (Scotland, that is, not Ontario!), successfully bringing me back down to earth & stopping me from chasing all sorts of gaelic definitions (I was assuming Kin = head or top, as in Kinlochleven & getting excited when I found a Glen Strae). I think she found Blacks plus one other source, which I can't remember, but which had ****  an exciting reference to a Marion McInnistrie being a Baillie in Newton Stewart in 1512. ****  There is also Buittle churchyard, which apparently has a fine collection of Kinstrey & even Kingstree (pity the Buittle site is now pay to access). (I found the Kingstree listings in the Buittle churchyard - all from 18th and 19th centuries.  The Buittle churchyard covers no other time period.) I thought that Black's surname dictionary existed online, but it does not.  Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message